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JJ Trial

MsMaroon said:
Okay. Gonna stick my toe in the water because I have a question for UMGriz75: If the jury returned with a Not Guilty verdict . . . COULD the judge set that verdict aside and pronounce him guilty?

Please tell me no, please tell me that I have been watching too much Law and Order: SVU. Because this judge terrifies me.


You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:
 
What, no recess called in the middle of the prosecution's closing? Well that's just plain weird!
 
MsMaroon said:
MsMaroon said:
Okay. Gonna stick my toe in the water because I have a question for UMGriz75: If the jury returned with a Not Guilty verdict . . . COULD the judge set that verdict aside and pronounce him guilty?

Please tell me no, please tell me that I have been watching too much Law and Order: SVU. Because this judge terrifies me.


You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe a judge has that right.
 
I feel like I could puke. Not feeling good about this at all. Maybe it was the 17 morgan/cokes from last night?
 
Griz2k said:
MsMaroon said:
MsMaroon said:
Okay. Gonna stick my toe in the water because I have a question for UMGriz75: If the jury returned with a Not Guilty verdict . . . COULD the judge set that verdict aside and pronounce him guilty?

Please tell me no, please tell me that I have been watching too much Law and Order: SVU. Because this judge terrifies me.


You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe a judge has that right.

In a civil trial, yes, a judge can set aside a verdict, but in a criminal trial, no.
 
GRZFTBL said:
I feel like I could puke. Not feeling good about this at all. Maybe it was the 17 morgan/cokes from last night?

they obviously weren't stiff enough if you could count that high..... :lol:

:coffee:
 
Griz2k said:
MsMaroon said:
MsMaroon said:
Okay. Gonna stick my toe in the water because I have a question for UMGriz75: If the jury returned with a Not Guilty verdict . . . COULD the judge set that verdict aside and pronounce him guilty?

Please tell me no, please tell me that I have been watching too much Law and Order: SVU. Because this judge terrifies me.


You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe a judge has that right.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I did sleep at an Holiday Inn Express last night. Okay, no I didn't. And I have no clue if the judge can overrule the jury's verdict. But, as I've stated before, I don't think any single person wants to be the one who decides this case. If not for the DOJ investigation, this trial never would've happened. Now that it's started, I think everyone involved wants the jury to be the ones who decide it.
 
Griz2k said:
MsMaroon said:
MsMaroon said:
Okay. Gonna stick my toe in the water because I have a question for UMGriz75: If the jury returned with a Not Guilty verdict . . . COULD the judge set that verdict aside and pronounce him guilty?

Please tell me no, please tell me that I have been watching too much Law and Order: SVU. Because this judge terrifies me.


You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe a judge has that right.

I am also in no way a lawyer or legal expert but i have read that a judge can do this but only overturning a guilty verdict. They cannot overturn an acquittal. Again, I am not a legal expert so to the 90% on here that are please don't flame me if I read incorrectly.
 
Bias seems palpable. Anyone do a count of objections sustained for state vs overruled for defense. Lots piss poor state district judges in western MT but this looks as bad as it can get. Tell me -75, can the defense not "bump" a judge in a criminal matter like you can in the outset of a civil case?
 
It's appalling how the prosecution kept referring to all of her "injuries". A "1 millimeter laceration"? Seriously? That's somewhere between a pinprick and a blackhead. A tender spot on the forehead that in no way conforms to her statement that he was pushing on the BACK of her head? A vague redness on her chest? This is a kangaroo court. Presided over by a very partial judge.
 
OldtiredGRiz said:
Griz2k said:
MsMaroon said:
MsMaroon said:
Okay. Gonna stick my toe in the water because I have a question for UMGriz75: If the jury returned with a Not Guilty verdict . . . COULD the judge set that verdict aside and pronounce him guilty?

Please tell me no, please tell me that I have been watching too much Law and Order: SVU. Because this judge terrifies me.


You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe a judge has that right.

In a civil trial, yes, a judge can set aside a verdict, but in a criminal trial, no.

Thanks for setting me straight OTG.
 
funny water said:
GRZFTBL said:
I feel like I could puke. Not feeling good about this at all. Maybe it was the 17 morgan/cokes from last night?

they obviously weren't stiff enough if you could count that high..... :lol:

:coffee:

I tip well. Might have been 8-9, feels like 17. :thumb:
 
JBS said:
Starting to seem like texts texts to the detective may have been a bunch of them that were disallowed.

A lot of the evidence, consisting primarily of texts, was ruled not admissible by Townsend in pretrial because its prejudicial value outweighed its probative value. This ruling was probably correct regarding most of the texts. Before the trial even started, however, some attorneys I spoke to felt Townsend clearly erred in refusing to permit some of the texts to be admitted under the transaction evidence rule (i.e. 106, where if any writings part of single transaction are admissible, all are admissible). They felt certain that if the defense lost and appealed, the Supreme Court would rule Townsend erred by not permitting those texts to be admitted. They had no idea on whether the Supreme Court would rule the error was more than harmless error requiring reversal, but they were certain she had misapplied the law on the admissibility of some of the texts.
 
Can not believe the Missoulian tweet stating prosecution asks the jury to follow them into the 21st century when considering rape. What a condesending and insulting statement to say to a jury.
 
Griz2k said:
OldtiredGRiz said:
Griz2k said:
MsMaroon said:
You "I have a bad feeling" guys are freaking me out. I posed this question yesterday - COULD THIS HAPPEN?? :shock:

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe a judge has that right.

In a civil trial, yes, a judge can set aside a verdict, but in a criminal trial, no.

Thanks for setting me straight OTG.

Thank you . . .
 
Glendivegriz said:
Can not believe the Missoulian tweet stating prosecution asks the jury to follow them into the 21st century when considering rape. What a condesending and insulting statement to say to a jury.
Lets hope the jury feels the same way.
 
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Judge said the case defense cited said it is improper to characterize someone as liar. #johnsontrial But Thompson's use was proper.
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Paoli is getting his objections on the record. I would like to know if the above tweet is accurate or just a lot of Gweno. If it is accurate, then the judge is saying that Paoli is a lier.
 

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