JJ Trial

[funny water]

at first i thought SB was doing a bang up job.... but now i'm wondering if she is actually doing the defense's closing arguments.... pointing out every inconsistency should lead to 'reasonable doubt'..... :shock:

 

[biga75]

Wow, does anyone else feel that Boylan is talking about evidence that doesn't really exist? The injuries for example. She had injuries to her head, clavicle, chest?? WTF??? Was there any evidence of these injuries?

I;m guessing there is probably some injuries that didn't initially get twitted about because it was presented during the closed session when they were showing the pictures from the exam.

 

[GrizPony]

The defense's only mistake was in not disqualifying this judge; to deny the defense the chance to make a motion to dismiss at the end of the state's case is outrageous. How can the county attorney abdicate his responsibility to a politically motivated vounteer prosecutor?? Part of the whole checks and balances is that the ELECTED county attorney or his deputies prosecute a case; then its his nuts on the chopping block and is a good motivator to prevent this bizaar scenario we now have, thank you and good day; your friend, yogi

Judge Townsend had served for over a year and every attorney I know thought she was trying her best to be unbiased. I don't know what happened in this case to make her come unbalanced. Kirsten worked with her for 15 years in the Cty. Atty's office and is as shocked as anyone.

 

[JBS]

Wow, does anyone else feel that Boylan is talking about evidence that doesn't really exist? The injuries for example. She had injuries to her head, clavicle, chest?? WTF??? Was there any evidence of these injuries?

And look at that photo a couple posts up showing the injuries. Using a diagram that looks like it came out of my high school biology class.

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

Boylan objecting during def close

nice move by Paoli IMO

 

[grizfnz]

How did he go about removing janes clothing while doing either of the above if Jane is holding her legs together, yet somehow attempting to push alleged "rapist" (whom she asked if he had a condom per her testimony and his) off using her knees.

So.. what you are implying is that NO girl EVER has been forcibly raped because what you describe above cannot possibly happen.... :thumb:

relax...he was just pointing out contradictions.

Correct, like Jane's witness AB who testified that on the way to the exam Jane told her JJ used a condom even though Jane told everybody else she spoke to after her initial conversation with AB that there was no condom used.

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[GrizzleMoose]

Boylan also said that woman tried to escape and get out from underneath him and tried to close her legs, however, I remember the woman testifying that she did not try to fight him off in any way. Lots of inconsistencies in the closing argument.

 

[UMGriz75]

Boylan: "If he'd broken her arm, we would agree with that evidence. We see psychological evidence differently, but we shouldn't."

This is not good closing material.

Please elaborate???

The specific Jury Instruction in this case is ""Without consent" means victim compelled to submit by force - infliction, attempt of infliction of bodily injury."

Boylan is drawing attention here to the fact that "well gee, an arm wasn't broken." That brings up a point that the jurors likely weren't really thinking about: there ARE levels of "force" and a broken arm is certainly one of them, and there is NOTHING like that in this case ....

 

[RobGriz]

Boylan: "If he'd broken her arm, we would agree with that evidence. We see psychological evidence differently, but we shouldn't."

This is not good closing material.

Please elaborate???

The specific Jury Instruction in this case is ""Without consent" means victim compelled to submit by force - infliction, attempt of infliction of bodily injury."

Boylan is drawing attention here to the fact that "well gee, an arm wasn't broken." That brings up a point that the jurors likely weren't really thinking about: there ARE levels of "force" and a broken arm is certainly one of them, and there is NOTHING like that in this case ....

Gotcha. Thanks!

 

[UMGriz75]

"Boylan objects with Paoli's justice introduction."

Good lord that is a dumb objection on closing.

 

[RobGriz]

Kind of thinking Pabst should have done the closing. She is definately more likeable than Paoli. But I do like Paoli's fire.

 

[stubbins]

"Boylan objects with Paoli's justice introduction."

Good lord that is a dumb objection on closing.

that's what I was thinking...objecting to the use of justice, in a court room. Weird.

 

[JBS]

Kind of thinking Pabst should have done the closing. She is definately more likeable than Paoli. But I do like Paoli's fire.

No way. He is now showing us his railroad train analoy in an outstanding way.

 

[GrizPony]

"Boylan objects with Paoli's justice introduction."

Good lord that is a dumb objection on closing.

that's what I was thinking...objecting to the use of justice, in a court room. Weird.

They don't want justice at this point. They want to satisfy their agenda. That is what has driven this railroad job off the tracks. Why object otherwise?

 

[Griz2k]

Objection by Boylan sustained. Shocker.

 

[mlbowl]

Boylan objects and judge sustains. #johnsontrial About him telling her to turn over, Paoli said the woman agreed she assisted.


Why would the judge sustain this objection? Wasn't this the alleged vivtim's testimony?

 

[GrizPony]

Boylan objects and judge sustains. #johnsontrial About him telling her to turn over, Paoli said the woman agreed she assisted.


Why would the judge sustain this objection? Wasn't this the alleged vivtim's testimony?

Rarely, if ever, are objections made in closing and almost never sustained. This thing is so biased.

 

[biga75]

Boylan objects and judge sustains. #johnsontrial About him telling her to turn over, Paoli said the woman agreed she assisted.


Why would the judge sustain this objection? Wasn't this the alleged vivtim's testimony?

Rarely, if ever, are objections made in closing and almost never sustained. This thing is so biased.

I was wondering if it was common for either side to make objections during closing statements. It doesn't seem normal.

 

[TxGriz]

The only question the jury needs to answer is- Does JJ look like a guy who doesn't take no for an answer, or does Jane Doe look like she said no and meant it? I'm taking an early luch break here. I'll expect a verdict when I get back.

 

[Griz2k]

Is it normal to call a recess in the middle of a closing argument?