JJ Trial

[RobGriz]

Defenses witnesses seem to be doing an excellent job of making the prosecutions witnesses look like a bunch of hacks.

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

Stratford, unlike many witnesses, talks directly to jurors. #johnsontrial He says you can't diagnose Diabetes if you don't test blood sugar.

Great witness, few and far between.

 

[grizchamp]

If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

Apples and oranges, JP. Regarding your hypothetical, I don't think there would be anything wrong with a little humor to lighten the mood.

Again without knowing the context, I think that is a pretty poor attempt at humor given the situation.

 

[EverettGriz]

Is it true that some "fan" said "First down Montana" during the trial?

I don't think it was "during" the trial, per se. I think it was as people were reconvening after a break. Or at least that's my understanding. And I really didn't see it as that odd. My friends and I often greet each other with a "Go Griz" or a "TOUCHDOWN MONTANA" or the like. I didn't take it as being related to the case, I guess.

The chances of the Missoulian getting this one wrong are strong. However, this is not supposed to be about football. It's a serious charge and needs serious people. If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

However, if two buddies said it to each other privately who cares. Again, if the Missoulian missed the context, or much more likely added fake context to the quote, I take my criticism back.

From the audience just now before trial resumes: "First down, Montana." A greeting from one man.

From that tweet, I gathered court wasn't in session and it was a person greeting another. Again, if it was overly loud and most people had returned from break, I agree it wasn't the best character. I just didn't read it as a big issue, and only the Missoulian noted it, so....

 

[Grisly Fan]

If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

Apples and oranges, JP. Regarding your hypothetical, I don't think there would be anything wrong with a little humor to lighten the mood.

Begs the question: Does the mood need to be lightened? If so then how is this the right kind of "lightening"? It seems unnecessary and distracting from the purpose of the trial. As much as some people would like to see this a referendum on the state of Grizzly football (notably the Missoulian), it is not.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

Apples and oranges, JP. Regarding your hypothetical, I don't think there would be anything wrong with a little humor to lighten the mood.

Begs the question: Does the mood need to be lightened? If so then how is this the right kind of "lightening"? It seems unnecessary and distracting from the purpose of the trial. As much as some people would like to see this a referendum on the state of Grizzly football (notably the Missoulian), it is not.

I think JP was talking about if someone said "First Down BOBCATS," but I could be wrong.

 

[RobGriz]

Anyone else following the twitter feed having a hard time figuring out where Paoli is going with the Stratford questioning?

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

Anyone else having a hard time figuring out where Paoli is going with the Stratford questioning?

yep
i hope the jury isn't getting bored.

Stratford: family medical history, preexisting conditions all important in diagnosing patient #JohnsonTrial

unlesss there is no family medical history and there WAS a preexisting condition

 

[griz71]

I don't think it was "during" the trial, per se. I think it was as people were reconvening after a break. Or at least that's my understanding. And I really didn't see it as that odd. My friends and I often greet each other with a "Go Griz" or a "TOUCHDOWN MONTANA" or the like. I didn't take it as being related to the case, I guess.

The chances of the Missoulian getting this one wrong are strong. However, this is not supposed to be about football. It's a serious charge and needs serious people. If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

However, if two buddies said it to each other privately who cares. Again, if the Missoulian missed the context, or much more likely added fake context to the quote, I take my criticism back.

I don't know the context. If it was said with the intent of the whole room hearing it, then I think it is in poor taste and shows a lack of respect for the proceedings. This is not about football. It is about life. We care because it is about a guy who plays football, but that should be where the football reference ends.

Agree completely.

With this much "agrement" between Everett and Punch recently. maybe the US Congress should take lessons.

 

[RobGriz]

Anyone else having a hard time figuring out where Paoli is going with the Stratford questioning?

yep
i hope the jury isn't getting bored.

Now I see where it's going. Yeah I hope the jury doesnt get bored too, but it looks like they are trying to point the anxiety disorder she supposedly got becaue of the rape as being something she has had forever.

 

[EverettGriz]

I think the Defense is making far too much out of this PTSD thing. I have reservations whether the jury put much stock into it to begin with. And my opinion has always been, if you say repeatedly, "Ignore that blue car. Ignore that blue car", guess what EVERYone is thinking about: the damn blue car!

I think this is just watering down the powerful testimony from JJ and his father.

 

[RobGriz]

I think the Defense is making far too much out of this PTSD thing. I have reservations whether the jury put much stock into it to begin with. And my opinion has always been, if you say repeatedly, "Ignore that blue car. Ignore that blue car", guess what EVERYone is thinking about: the damn blue car!

I think this is just watering down the powerful testimony from JJ and his father.

Yep, I kind of wish they had waited and let his father be last.

 

[JBS]

Anyone else having a hard time figuring out where Paoli is going with the Stratford questioning?

yep
i hope the jury isn't getting bored.

Now I see where it's going. Yeah I hope the jury doesnt get bored too, but it looks like they are trying to point the anxiety disorder she supposedly got becaue of the rape as being something she has had forever.

They are trying to take away the whole women act strange after being raped argument. That is the only argument the prosecution has because they can't reconcile the contradictions (lies).

 

[EverettGriz]

Is it true that some "fan" said "First down Montana" during the trial?

I don't think it was "during" the trial, per se. I think it was as people were reconvening after a break. Or at least that's my understanding. And I really didn't see it as that odd. My friends and I often greet each other with a "Go Griz" or a "TOUCHDOWN MONTANA" or the like. I didn't take it as being related to the case, I guess.

The chances of the Missoulian getting this one wrong are strong. However, this is not supposed to be about football. It's a serious charge and needs serious people. If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

However, if two buddies said it to each other privately who cares. Again, if the Missoulian missed the context, or much more likely added fake context to the quote, I take my criticism back.

From the audience just now before trial resumes: "First down, Montana." A greeting from one man.

From that tweet, I gathered court wasn't in session and it was a person greeting another. Again, if it was overly loud and most people had returned from break, I agree it wasn't the best character. I just didn't read it as a big issue, and only the Missoulian noted it, so....

Also, not to belabor this issue, but I just realized that Peter Christian (the Wa Griz stadium announcer) is covering the trial. My hunch is that someone said it to him as a form of "hello".

 

[bluemarlin2]

I think the Defense is making far too much out of this PTSD thing. I have reservations whether the jury put much stock into it to begin with. And my opinion has always been, if you say repeatedly, "Ignore that blue car. Ignore that blue car", guess what EVERYone is thinking about: the damn blue car!

I think this is just watering down the powerful testimony from JJ and his father.

+1000

 

[RobGriz]

I think the Defense is making far too much out of this PTSD thing. I have reservations whether the jury put much stock into it to begin with. And my opinion has always been, if you say repeatedly, "Ignore that blue car. Ignore that blue car", guess what EVERYone is thinking about: the damn blue car!

I think this is just watering down the powerful testimony from JJ and his father.

Yep, I kind of wish they had waited and let his father be last.

BUT, I will say this, if I am ever in need of an attorney to represent me, these two are going to be the first ones I call.

 

[bluemarlin2]

I think the Defense is making far too much out of this PTSD thing. I have reservations whether the jury put much stock into it to begin with. And my opinion has always been, if you say repeatedly, "Ignore that blue car. Ignore that blue car", guess what EVERYone is thinking about: the damn blue car!

I think this is just watering down the powerful testimony from JJ and his father.

Yep, I kind of wish they had waited and let his father be last.

BUT, I will say this, if I am ever in need of an attorney to represent me, these two are going to be the first ones I call.

I agree with you about the lawyers but this guy was a mistake. It allowed the PTSD to be brought up a hundred times when it really wasn't an important part of the trial. Maybe outsmarted themselves. Coaches do it all the time, why not lawyers?

 

[Ursa Major]

I don't think it was "during" the trial, per se. I think it was as people were reconvening after a break. Or at least that's my understanding. And I really didn't see it as that odd. My friends and I often greet each other with a "Go Griz" or a "TOUCHDOWN MONTANA" or the like. I didn't take it as being related to the case, I guess.

The chances of the Missoulian getting this one wrong are strong. However, this is not supposed to be about football. It's a serious charge and needs serious people. If I was sitting in the Defendant's position and someone said "First Down BOBCATS" I would be horrified and angry, no matter the stage in the trial.

However, if two buddies said it to each other privately who cares. Again, if the Missoulian missed the context, or much more likely added fake context to the quote, I take my criticism back.

From the audience just now before trial resumes: "First down, Montana." A greeting from one man.

From that tweet, I gathered court wasn't in session and it was a person greeting another. Again, if it was overly loud and most people had returned from break, I agree it wasn't the best character. I just didn't read it as a big issue, and only the Missoulian noted it, so....

Also, not to belabor this issue, but I just realized that Peter Christian (the Wa Griz stadium announcer) is covering the trial. My hunch is that someone said it to him as a form of "hello".

GOOD point, EG!!

 

[JBS]

They said there is going to be another witness. If it is Jane Doe this testimony makes perfect sense.

 

[RobGriz]

I think the Defense is making far too much out of this PTSD thing. I have reservations whether the jury put much stock into it to begin with. And my opinion has always been, if you say repeatedly, "Ignore that blue car. Ignore that blue car", guess what EVERYone is thinking about: the damn blue car!

I think this is just watering down the powerful testimony from JJ and his father.

Yep, I kind of wish they had waited and let his father be last.

BUT, I will say this, if I am ever in need of an attorney to represent me, these two are going to be the first ones I call.

I agree with you about the lawyers but this guy was a mistake. It allowed the PTSD to be brought up a hundred times when it really wasn't an important part of the trial. Maybe outsmarted themselves. Coaches do it all the time, why not lawyers?

I agree with you but I can see why they did it. THIS is the only thing the prosecution had so trying to say it didn't exist in this case is pertinent but I think you are right in that they have almost made it more so by bringing it up.