JJ Trial

[Jerry Punch]

It isn't unique to Missoula or anywhere for that matter.

As I said earlier, I think this trial, if it serves any purpose at all other than to ruin the lives of two young people and make people bicker, proved the incompetence of UM leadership during the entire period. I am sure RE feels like he has egg on his face at this point, having presided over the implosion and letting it get to this point.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

And despite my insistence that JJ get a fair trial and my doubt of the accuser's credibility, the attitude problem of some in Griz Nation still persists. As long as guys are out there saying that Beau Donaldson got a raw deal because of the environment in Missoula, the problem isn't fixed. Ursa is right.

Nobody here is saying or has said that Donaldson got a raw deal. He was guilty, he did it, he's going to spend quality time with the finest correctional folks in Montana for that. find another dead horse bud :lol:

 

[bigsky33]

I have been around long enough to know that in any jury trial, it's not over till it's over! Making predicitions at this point is worthless. Only my opinion based on experience.

 

[Ursa Major]

The alleged victim could have slapped her mother for not believing and cats and tnt and JP would say, still could go either way. How much more proof do you need that the alleged victim is Koo Koo? It is also interesting that the alleged victim is picking up people from all over them to bring to her house. If rape is about control, she seems to be the one wanting to control every issue. Her friends probably don't have cars, but still a little odd.

Yeah, and I have the feeling that a Griz football player could rape a woman on the 50 yard line of WGS during half-time of the cat-Griz game and some of the people on this board would defend them until their dying breath. That's a bitter but true pill. Does everything have to be black and white to some of you? Do you lack the ability to see that some evidence is in favor of one person's side of the story and another piece of evidence might be in favor of the others?

Cat cheerleaders are safe.
I know , I know that is bad but couln't help myself.

Ha ha!

 

[UMGriz75]

And despite my insistence that JJ get a fair trial and my doubt of the accuser's credibility, the attitude problem of some in Griz Nation still persists. As long as guys are out there saying that Beau Donaldson got a raw deal because of the environment in Missoula, the problem isn't fixed.

Wow, "the attitude problem of some in Griz Nation still persists."

Is this what drives your obsessive fabrication of controversies and serial postings? Running around identifying, critiquing and pontificating on the select "attitude problems" of the privileged few, that you decided in all your tangled worldliness that "persists in Griz Nation," a place that you've been to, sort of?

Two questions: who made you hall monitor, and who thought Donaldson got a "raw deal"?

"The problem isn't fixed."

Well, bright boy, add that to the very long list of the world's woes.

How old are you?

 

[BDizzle]

I think he is referring to Donaldsons lawyer who kind of stated that he got a raw deal.

 

[Ursa Major]

I think he is referring to Donaldsons lawyer who kind of stated that he got a raw deal.

This. Zorba in the NYT or the ESPN article.

 

[tnt]

I think he is referring to Donaldsons lawyer who kind of stated that he got a raw deal.

I suspect you are right, 20 suspended is a pretty good deal IF he takes advantage of it. I was thinking of him yesterday when the "expert was testifying"

In regards to the accusers mother, its not surprising she was ranting at her daughter (while inwardly wanting to castrate the guy) Women in general are harder on each other. Paoli did well (for his client) to get as many on the jury as he did. But he may not of scored as well with them as he did here with the mother thing

 

[UMGriz75]

I think he is referring to Donaldsons lawyer who kind of stated that he got a raw deal.

Well then he can blame Donaldson's lawyer's Mom, and climb down off the juvenile holier-than-thou self-appointed role of being in charge of fabricating controversies that exist only in his own mind, as part of his self-appointed role of nagging about "the attitude problem" of "some" in Griz Nation which he has decided exists and which he must resolve.

I'd say the "attitude problem" is with guys full of themselves.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Thank you. I do respect myself and my family. I have two young children, and if they are athletes and want to go to UM, so be it. I will be there cheering them on. But I won't raise my kids to think that they are entitled to special treatment simply because of their status.

I see again that instead of addressing the comments made by Donaldson's attorney, you insult me. That's fine. My skin is pretty thick and for right or for wrong, it is even thicker on a message board. Insult away and do not address the substance of the post. It doesn't matter to me, but I'm sure attitudes like yours matter quite a bit more to those fans who do care about the substance of what Donaldson's attorney says.

 

[UMGriz75]

In regards to the accusers mother, its not surprising she was ranting at her daughter (while inwardly wanting to castrate the guy) Women in general are harder on each other.

Well, I didn't hear the part that Mom was "ranting at her daughter" nor was I able to read her mind that she was "inwardly wanting to castrate the guy."

There must be another trial going on where people get to hear what they want to hear.

The trial I listened to had this exchange: Paoli: "Didn't you tell your mother to get on your side or you wouldn't have anything to do with her?"...... W: "Yes." Has she complained about her family members and their support in this situation. Green: Yes."

Nothing about ranting, nothing about Mom's "attitude" toward the accused and her thoughts of castration. It's all made up.

This is the same level of fabrication and distortion from the same poster as last year's meme about the "alcohol fueled sexual predator," described this week, in this trial -- the real one -- by the roommate as "quiet and shy," a "typical college bro."

Where did the "alcohol-fueled" persona disappear to? Where are these completely fabricated allegations coming from and into this narrative? What drives the two or three posters here who fabricate details and controversies that don't exist?

There's an "attitude" problem, all right. It's with people so obsessed with their preferred result that the facts don't matter at all; they are an inconvenience to an alter-reality.

 

[GrizBear]

You guys can point out where I'm wrong, but that would take too much effort and knowledge. I heard UM has a great journalism school, however.

Troll, I think it's wrong that you joined eGriz less than five months ago and have 471 posts.

 

[Zootown Rox]

There's an "attitude" problem, all right. It's with people so obsessed with their preferred result that the facts don't matter at all; they are an inconvenience to an alter-reality.

This problem affects nearly all the judges in Missoula. Karen Townsend, the judge in this trial, decides all her cases before she hears any evidence and this case is no different. Just watch, she sustains all the objections from the Prosecution, all the pre-trial motions went the Prosecutions way. Remember all those texts messages the defense wanted but she wouldn't allow to be entered as evidence, she's a terrible judge that doesn't allow the legal system or a fair trial to get in the way of her preconceptions.

 

[UMGriz75]

I see again that instead of addressing the comments made by Donaldson's attorney, you insult me. That's fine. My skin is pretty thick and for right or for wrong, it is even thicker on a message board. Insult away and do not address the substance of the post.

Something is pretty thick. Characteristically, you didn't mention Donaldson's lawyer. You said "Griz Nation." Someone else made the connection for you, and now, apparently just to you, the idea that somebody's lawyer said they got a "raw deal," is a wholly new experience for you; one so incredibly cynical to hear from somebody's lawyer that you personally decided it was the problem for a fan base that you, and I guess you alone, are compelled to repair by fabricating bizarre comparisons between movie plots and expert witnesses, as an antidote to your stunned discovery that a defense lawyer somewhere said somewhere that his defendant, and only his defendant, got "a raw deal."

"Instead of addressing the comments made by Donaldson's attorney ..." there goes that pompously weird "I am the hall monitor" voice again, on a thread about an ongoing trial, where you have decided to address all of the woes of the sport world by demanding commentary on a different trial from the unheard of comment of a lawyer that thought his client got a "raw deal" -- which is something apparently so new and novel and uncomprehensible to you -- that I can only marvel at how you can even type today, given your very recent day of birth.

 

[Griz2k]

There's an "attitude" problem, all right. It's with people so obsessed with their preferred result that the facts don't matter at all; they are an inconvenience to an alter-reality.

This problem affects nearly all the judges in Missoula. Karen Townsend, the judge in this trial, decides all her cases before she hears any evidence and this case is no different. Just watch, she sustains all the objections from the Prosecution, all the pre-trial motions went the Prosecutions way. Remember all those texts messages the defense wanted but she wouldn't allow to be entered as evidence, she's a terrible judge that doesn't allow the legal system or a fair trial to get in the way of her preconceptions.

This is the same judge that said before the trial that JJ "probably did it".

 

[AZGrizFan]

There's an "attitude" problem, all right. It's with people so obsessed with their preferred result that the facts don't matter at all; they are an inconvenience to an alter-reality.

This problem affects nearly all the judges in Missoula. Karen Townsend, the judge in this trial, decides all her cases before she hears any evidence and this case is no different. Just watch, she sustains all the objections from the Prosecution, all the pre-trial motions went the Prosecutions way. Remember all those texts messages the defense wanted but she wouldn't allow to be entered as evidence, she's a terrible judge that doesn't allow the legal system or a fair trial to get in the way of her preconceptions.

Which bodes very well for a retrial in the unlikely event JJ is convicted.

 

[stubbins]

And despite my insistence that JJ get a fair trial and my doubt of the accuser's credibility, the attitude problem of some in Griz Nation still persists. As long as guys are out there saying that Beau Donaldson got a raw deal because of the environment in Missoula, the problem isn't fixed. Ursa is right.

what's it like living without oxygen?

 

[Zootown Rox]

There's an "attitude" problem, all right. It's with people so obsessed with their preferred result that the facts don't matter at all; they are an inconvenience to an alter-reality.

This problem affects nearly all the judges in Missoula. Karen Townsend, the judge in this trial, decides all her cases before she hears any evidence and this case is no different. Just watch, she sustains all the objections from the Prosecution, all the pre-trial motions went the Prosecutions way. Remember all those texts messages the defense wanted but she wouldn't allow to be entered as evidence, she's a terrible judge that doesn't allow the legal system or a fair trial to get in the way of her preconceptions.

Which bodes very well for a retrial in the unlikely event JJ is convicted.

Unfortunately the Montana Supreme Court isn't much better.

 

[tnt]

There your problem 75 you string together lots of words with out any point of reference, and no understanding of behavior. Just about any mom would (as women in general do) immediately jump all over a daughter in this situation. You didn't hear anything in court or anywhere elses. Rather are using as much verbosity as possible to extract debate points to fit the few words you have whatever it is you want. For someone who claims to be an attorney you have no understanding of language only words. Thats too bad thats diffference between attorneys who are successful and those are not. You obviously are either laid off from your gopher job or are the latter (practitioner without clients). Today you have spent over a thousand dollars in billable hours trying to impress folks with your words.

 

[go4two]

There your problem 75 you string together lots of words with out any point of reference, and no understanding of behavior. Just about any mom would (as women in general do) immediately jump all over a daughter in this situation. You didn't hear anything in court or anywhere elses. Rather are using as much verbosity as possible to extract debate points to fit the few words you have whatever it is you want. For someone who claims to be an attorney you have no understanding of language only words. Thats too bad thats diffference between attorneys who are successful and those are not. You obviously are either laid off from your gopher job or are the latter (practitioner without clients). Today you have spent over a thousand dollars in billable hours trying to impress folks with your words.

Says a bus driver!