JJ Trial

[granitegriz]

If you have the means and want to protect yourself, why not hire a PI quickly. This is a good way to preserve the truth and the memory of witnesses when verbally recorded or written interviews are taken. I try recalling a major incident that occurred few months ago and my memory has faded as to who told me what. How does hiring a PI quickly denote guilt? If you are guilty, you run or make up fabricated story, etc. JJ hasn't run and has manned up. We will see if his story is consistent. However, hiring a PI quickly does not denote guilt in the least.

 

[go96griz]

Am I the only person that feels like this Green roommate is inconsistent as f***??

Just when I think he's helping the accuser's story, Paoli gets him to change his story...

Paoli caught the roommate changing his testimony multiple times (from what he had said prior statements and interviews with Paoli). He was shading the truth, but my impression was that he was probably intentionally lying at times. He had met with the prosecutors/investigator many times (like 5 or more), and had gone through questions with them several weeks ago. He wouldn't admit to rehearsing, but that's what it was. Some of these were key points, i.e. whether the roommate had said he didn't go to the accuser's aid that night because he thought she was exaggerating. Paoli pointed out at least 3 prior times where he had said it was due to exaggeration, at least in part. The roommate also said he recollection of things was sort of a joint recollection with the accuser. Really, what good is a joint recollection? I don't know if the jury picked up on the fact that he appeared to be lying, as well as being evasive, at times. If the jury didn't get that, or the defense doesn't otherwise discredit him, some of his testimony will probably help the prosecution.

The defense is going to have to some testimony or explanation for why the accuser would do this, i.e. claim rape, and why she got so upset. Perhaps some explanation will come from Johnson. They were in the bedroom after sex for a long time, like maybe 15 minutes if I recall correctly, for nothing to have been said. She couldn't have just stared at him in silence for that long.

Why did she stay in the bedroom so long? Why did she stay in the bedroom after Johnson went to the bathroom? She had her phone, but only texted the roommate who was a few feet from her in the LR? If you've just gotten raped, wouldn't you leave the room if/when you could? Wouldn't you ask your roommate to come in? If you've seen something on twitter to supplement or correct me on this, please supplement or correct. Contrast this to the Donaldson women, who immediately ran out of the house, without her shoes, and called her mom.

The thing that confuses me most is that after the "incident" she wanted JJ gone. So she promptly drove him back to his house all on her own. She could have kicked him out and told him to walk. She could have called a taxi for him. She could have called the cops to give him a ride. She could have asked her roommate to take JJ home. She could have asked her roommate to ride along with her to drop off JJ. Instead, she took her alleged rapist home all by herself. This makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[granitegriz]

Those are good cross exam questions go96. Likely many of those questions were asked by Paoli but just not twittered or re=tweeted. Where is Fwen when you need her/him/it?

 

[PlayerRep]

or the part where the State gets unlimited resources of investigation, unlimited expert witness budgets

Not unlimited expert witness budgets. Just $350/hour times ten, probably plus expenses. All for a Massachusetts gun for hire, who didn't know anything about the case, to spout things you could have read from one of his articles in Cosmopolitan Magazine.

F**k me, I want that job.

He had 10 hours into this as of the morning. He probably will charge for the full day. I wonder if he charges for travel time too. Wish he'd been asked that. Plus, he won't be able to sit comfortably in his plane seat tomorrow, due to the butt-kicking Pabst gave him.

 

[montanaguy]

it sounds like a lot of you view this like a football game between the lawyers instead of what it is supposed to be. moreover, many of you seem to be 'cheering' against the girl.

By "supposed to be," you mean the part where the Defendant gets a defense until his money runs out and his family's home is mortgaged to the limit, or the part where the State gets unlimited resources of investigation, unlimited expert witness budgets, and attorneys assigned from county and state levels, and call on pro bono private lawyers, huge expensive office staffs, all appearing before a Judge whose entire career consisted of being a lead criminal prosecutor in the very office that is now appearing before her?

Is that what you mean when you refer to how "it is supposed to be?"

:clap: The girl is a narcissistic twit of a fraud., who uses the power of the 'rape' cry to torture another person. Happens daily across america.

 

[griz4life]

Roommate is either lying or a puss! Girl says she was just raped and you do nothing and let her leave with him???

If you got that text, wouldn't you at least knock on the door and ask if everything was okay? He really must not have believed her.

Or wouldnt you text her back immediately? Maybe confirm she was serious, ask if she was ok, wanted you to come in, call the cops, anything? Old farts like us might think charging into the room was the logical response, but for a generation that texts even across an apartment, wouldn't a simple reply text be the next step?

 

[pussycatkillerz]

WHO FUCKING CARES? Let's check in when the trials over.......

 

[Cats2506]

Roommate is either lying or a puss! Girl says she was just raped and you do nothing and let her leave with him???

If you got that text, wouldn't you at least knock on the door and ask if everything was okay? He really must not have believed her.

Or wouldnt you text her back immediately? Maybe confirm she was serious, ask if she was ok, wanted you to come in, call the cops, anything? Old farts like us might think charging into the room was the logical response, but for a generation that texts even across an apartment, wouldn't a simple reply text be the next step?

I thought it was in the testimony, that he sent a text back saying "come out here" or something to the effect of telling her to come out of the room?

 

[Cats2506]

Roommate is either lying or a puss! Girl says she was just raped and you do nothing and let her leave with him???

If you got that text, wouldn't you at least knock on the door and ask if everything was okay? He really must not have believed her.

Or wouldnt you text her back immediately? Maybe confirm she was serious, ask if she was ok, wanted you to come in, call the cops, anything? Old farts like us might think charging into the room was the logical response, but for a generation that texts even across an apartment, wouldn't a simple reply text be the next step?

I thought it was in the testimony, that he sent a text back saying "come out here" or something to the effect of telling her to come out of her room?

 

[hokeyfine]

This forum is more entertaining than the trial. "As Egriz Turns". The desperation for acquittal or conviction is hilarious!

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

The roommate seems to be disinterested in the victim. Maybe he is just too into himself to care or maybe he has had similar texts from her before? I am still open minded about whether guilty of not but that open mindedness is shrinking a lot.

 

[Umista]

After sleeping on all the twits, tweets, cat comments and looking over my favorite Egriz horn tooters I am moving toward a percent change: I moved from 70% chance of innocence for J. Johnson to a 80% chance!

This comes in the second quarter. I am restraining myself from a higher percentage as "chances always exist in a trial that true justice may not prevail" and danger exists simply from being charged with a crime in a court of law and past history indicates an innocent person can be convicted.........not often but it does occur!

This innocent verdict will NOT bode well for Royce Engstrom. A serious jump to conclusions has doomed many leaders. Causing harm to O'Day, Pflugrad and many others!

 

[granitegriz]

If my roommate, in the other room, opened up the envelope for Griz football season ticket renewals and then exclaims, "I think I was just raped by UM". I would come rushing in to console the roommate.

 

[UMGriz75]

Paoli: "Didn't you tell your mother to get on your side or you wouldn't have anything to do with her?"...... W: "Yes"
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Wow. This is an attitude of somebody who gets what they want, one way or the other, and is willing to bully people to get it. It also gets into evidence issues of credibility and believability, at the most critical levels, that are otherwise difficult to get in. Without having to directly ask anyone, the jury now knows that even her own mother did not believe her. I have no doubt this comment stuck with the jurors.

Paoli had been instructed that character witnesses for JJ cannot testify as to whether or not they "believe" he did or could not do something like this. But this testimony gets around that in a much stronger way, to the heart of the prosecution's case -- the believability and sincerity of their alleged victim -- and to what will unfold regarding her behaviors before and after this "incident."

 

[GRZFTBL]

Overheard at breakfast today, "JJ will end up railroaded for this to make a point to the NCAA, if found not guilty say hello to huge NCAA infractions". :roll:

 

[Jerry Punch]

it sounds like a lot of you view this like a football game between the lawyers instead of what it is supposed to be. moreover, many of you seem to be 'cheering' against the girl.

By "supposed to be," you mean the part where the Defendant gets a defense until his money runs out and his family's home is mortgaged to the limit, or the part where the State gets unlimited resources of investigation, unlimited expert witness budgets, and attorneys assigned from county and state levels, and call on pro bono private lawyers, huge expensive office staffs, all appearing before a Judge whose entire career consisted of being a lead criminal prosecutor in the very office that is now appearing before her?

Is that what you mean when you refer to how "it is supposed to be?"

yes, exactly! how did you guess?

By the amazing consistency of the fact that, despite the seriousness of the impact of this on two young lives, you don't take any of this seriously.

I would imagine that Argh! takes this much more seriously than anyone who would say that the alleged victim decided to model her life plan after a movie starting Emma Stone.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Overheard at breakfast today, "JJ will end up railroaded for this to make a point to the NCAA, if found not guilty say hello to huge NCAA infractions". :roll:

Must be true then. I've been to breakfast in Missoula a lot of times and heard lots of things too. Some of them came true; others did not.

 

[ordigger]

Overheard at breakfast today, "JJ will end up railroaded for this to make a point to the NCAA, if found not guilty say hello to huge NCAA infractions". :roll:

So who said it? Otherwise just a rumor. NCAA is going to have to tread lightly for awhile. With the pushback they are getting in Miami, and now at Penn State they may actually have to be held accountable for their actions.

 

[UMGriz75]

yes, exactly! how did you guess?

By the amazing consistency of the fact that, despite the seriousness of the impact of this on two young lives, you don't take any of this seriously.

I would imagine that Argh! takes this much more seriously than anyone who would say that the alleged victim decided to model her life plan after a movie starting Emma Stone.

And, if anyone had actually said that, I would agree, but no one did. If you modeled your life plan on just making stuff up, and then becoming obsessed by it in an 'endlessly posting about it sort of way,' well, you are well on your way .... you may already be there, after all, you declare that you "would imagine" which is apparently what it takes. Look around.

 

[grizfan95]

Overheard at breakfast today, "JJ will end up railroaded for this to make a point to the NCAA, if found not guilty say hello to huge NCAA infractions". :roll:

Right, and the thought that maybe these investigations were a knee-jerk reaction when the Saudi-student incident was the much bigger issue never crossed their minds. The only thing that amazes me time and again is the intellectual ability of the general populace.