JJ Trial

[GRZFTBL]

it sounds like a lot of you view this like a football game between the lawyers instead of what it is supposed to be. moreover, many of you seem to be 'cheering' against the girl.

sad.

As Griz fans we probably are pulling for JJ. But like I said earlier, if he's found guilty I hope he spends a long time in jail. This young woman is in for a long haul either way. Both are...

 

[grizatwork]

it sounds like a lot of you view this like a football game between the lawyers instead of what it is supposed to be. moreover, many of you seem to be 'cheering' against the girl.

sad.

I can't speak for other's motives, but as a father of both a son and daughter, I find it sad indeed. I would be mad at either of my children for getting themselves in that situation. I would be mad my son was making grown up decisions about sex with a girl that he was not supposedly dating while under the influence of alcohol. I would be mad at my daughter for picking this guy up, bringing him into her bedroom, much less the house and then basically doing foreplay with him. What happened after that is what is in dispute, but both of these young adults made very poor decisions that night.

 

[Grisly Fan]

it sounds like a lot of you view this like a football game between the lawyers instead of what it is supposed to be. moreover, many of you seem to be 'cheering' against the girl.

sad.

Your statement seems to presume guilt. What if the girl is lying? Isn't that a real possibility to you? They do sometimes you know... or maybe you don't know.

I thought a trial is a place where the truth is supposed to be revealed. Even if you don't appreciate the process of getting there, it can be entertaining for those so inclined. You can always avoid clicking on any thread about the trial and avoid the stress on your highly evolved sensibilities.

 

[Ursa Major]

what i will never understand is that she can basically testify about how JJ allegedly assulted other girls but JJ can't testify about her prior sexual history. i get the rationale but don't agree with it in this instance. What's good for the goose.......

Here's Little Miss Muffet running around trying to establish that last year, "all on her own," to prove ... something. And she's calling high priced civil litigation lawyers. She "just wanted information." And she all of a sudden knows that a key to a successful civil suit is a "serial" situation. And so she's out there, combing the social networks. And of course if she can prove a serial situation, and UM didn't know, or investigate properly or do anything about it, there can be a basis for negligence ... "ChaChing!"

UM75, you are obviously an intelligent guy, possess writing skills and have interesting things to say. Your comments about the affect of experts on juries were great and very thought provoking. However, comments like "Little Miss Muffet" really distract from those qualities mentioned above. The emotionality of your posts, and others (either pro-victim or pro-defendant), makes one question your objectivity and point of view. Not meaning to pick on you, there are plenty of other examples on this thread. I just would like to see more sensitivity accorded to BOTH of these young people.

 

[grizfnz]

Interesting question from Paoli "did your family meet with Pat Williams?"

Accuser "no"

Wonder if she just perjured herself

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[UMGriz75]

it sounds like a lot of you view this like a football game between the lawyers instead of what it is supposed to be. moreover, many of you seem to be 'cheering' against the girl.

sad.

And some of you had him automatically guilty because he was a football player, even to the point of accusing him of being an "alcohol-fueled sexual predator," which, by the way, didn't seem to bother others "of you" at all.

Sad.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Look at the sum of the components so far: a psychologist who testifies that rapists don't just spring up and rape, they are generally serial rapists.

By NO means am I even presuming guilt upon JJ. But even serial rapists have to start with victim #1.

 

[GRZFTBL]

Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Jordan Tripp, Brock Coyle and a few other Grizzly football players have joined the audience. #JohnsonTrial

 

[UMGriz75]

what i will never understand is that she can basically testify about how JJ allegedly assulted other girls but JJ can't testify about her prior sexual history. i get the rationale but don't agree with it in this instance. What's good for the goose.......

Here's Little Miss Muffet running around trying to establish that last year, "all on her own," to prove ... something. And she's calling high priced civil litigation lawyers. She "just wanted information." And she all of a sudden knows that a key to a successful civil suit is a "serial" situation. And so she's out there, combing the social networks. And of course if she can prove a serial situation, and UM didn't know, or investigate properly or do anything about it, there can be a basis for negligence ... "ChaChing!"

UM75, you are obviously an intelligent guy, possess writing skills and have interesting things to say. Your comments about the affect of experts on juries were great and very thought provoking. However, comments like "Little Miss Muffet" really distract from those qualities mentioned above. The emotionality of your posts, and others (either pro-victim or pro-defendant), makes one question your objectivity and point of view. Not meaning to pick on you, there are plenty of other examples on this thread. I just would like to see more sensitivity accorded to BOTH of these young people.

I am not even pretending to be "objective." I do think a great injustice has been done, this trial is a culmination of it, and am willing to take an unmistakable position on that. On the other hand, I do reference to actual facts and will not fabricate wholesale slanders such as the "alcohol fueled sexual predator" meme that saturated these discussions last year, to some odd silence from those who profess to seek "objectivity".

 

[Zootown Rox]

Regarding the disputed issues in this situation, what would be the reason for not using a polygraph?

Polygraphs are bunk and rightly not admissible in court.

From wikipedia: Polygraphy has little evidence to support its use.[10][11][12] Despite claims of 90% validity by polygraph advocates,[13] the National Research Council has found no evidence of effectiveness.[11] The utility among sex offenders is also poor[14] with insufficient evidence to support accuracy or improved outcomes in this population.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph

 

[mlbowl]

Can she testify as to what another person said?

It depends on the nature of the question, and the reason why the answer is relevant. If it's relevant because it tends to prove the truth of the matter asserted, then it's hearsay (and thus, only admissible if it falls within a hearsay exception). If it's relevant for some other reason (such as, to show the hearer's belief or mental state), then it's generally not hearsay.

That's why I'm saying that it's hard to know whether this particular statement is hearsay or not, without knowing more of the context and purpose for which it was offered.

Gotcha, Grizlaw. Thanks. I think I watch waaaaaaaaay too much tv.

 

[PTGrizzly]

what i will never understand is that she can basically testify about how JJ allegedly assulted other girls but JJ can't testify about her prior sexual history. i get the rationale but don't agree with it in this instance. What's good for the goose.......

Here's Little Miss Muffet running around trying to establish that last year, "all on her own," to prove ... something. And she's calling high priced civil litigation lawyers. She "just wanted information." And she all of a sudden knows that a key to a successful civil suit is a "serial" situation. And so she's out there, combing the social networks. And of course if she can prove a serial situation, and UM didn't know, or investigate properly or do anything about it, there can be a basis for negligence ... "ChaChing!"

UM75, you are obviously an intelligent guy, possess writing skills and have interesting things to say. Your comments about the affect of experts on juries were great and very thought provoking. However, comments like "Little Miss Muffet" really distract from those qualities mentioned above. The emotionality of your posts, and others (either pro-victim or pro-defendant), makes one question your objectivity and point of view. Not meaning to pick on you, there are plenty of other examples on this thread. I just would like to see more sensitivity accorded to BOTH of these young people.

I am not even pretending to be "objective." I do think a great injustice has been done and am willing to take an unmistakable position on that. On the other hand, I do reference to actual facts and will not fabricate wholesale slanders such as the "alcohol fueled sexual predator" meme that saturated these discussions last year, to some odd silence from those who profess to seek "objectivity".

Of course you're not being objective. You think her movie choices have to do with her psychological condition.

 

[UMGriz75]

Of course you're not being objective. You think her movie choices have to do with her psychological condition.

Of course not.

I think that people who profess that "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is their favorite movie are just perfectly normal people, too, just like those who like to watch with their dates, "Faces of Death."

Just perfectly normal people.

Like you.

 

[NikeGrizz]

Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Jordan Tripp, Brock Coyle and a few other Grizzly football players have joined the audience. #JohnsonTrial

Coach Ty Gregorak is there as well

 

[tnt]

Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Jordan Tripp, Brock Coyle and a few other Grizzly football players have joined the audience. #JohnsonTrial

Coach Ty Gregorak is there as well

That shows some real class (waiting until after the accuser was off the stand) while still standing by JJ.

 

[EverettGriz]

Interesting question from Paoli "did your family meet with Pat Williams?"

Wow. What an interesting turn of events that would be....

I think it safe to say that if such a meeting did occur (and I'm prone to think it did not) prior to his comments, Mr. Williams' time as a Regent has a very short shelf-life indeed.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Of course you're not being objective. You think her movie choices have to do with her psychological condition.

Of course not.

I think that people who profess that "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is their favorite movie are just perfectly normal people, too, just like those who like to watch with their dates, "Faces of Death."

Just perfectly normal people.

Like you.

You stated earlier that her choice in movie was indicative of the context surrounding the night. Perhaps an educated, qualified, and unbiased expert may know the context of these situations better than you do?

You lost crediblity when you said "little Ms. Muffin" and pointed to her choice in film, quoting a summary of that film, and using it to support your position. I hope, dearly and sincerely, that Jordy's defense counsel will provide more legitimate context of their own than what you have shown.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Interesting question from Paoli "did your family meet with Pat Williams?"

Wow. What an interesting turn of events that would be....

I think it safe to say that if such a meeting did occur (and I'm prone to think it did not) prior to his comments, Mr. Williams' time as a Regent has a very short shelf-life indeed.

What if she met with Rob Ash? Then it would be REALLY interesting?

But what ifs are about as valuable as the city of Everett is generally, so let's move on. It didn't happen.

 

[grizindabox]

Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Jordan Tripp, Brock Coyle and a few other Grizzly football players have joined the audience. #JohnsonTrial

Coach Ty Gregorak is there as well

That shows some real class (waiting until after the accuser was off the stand) while still standing by JJ.

:stupid:

 

[EverettGriz]

Interesting question from Paoli "did your family meet with Pat Williams?"

Wow. What an interesting turn of events that would be....

I think it safe to say that if such a meeting did occur (and I'm prone to think it did not) prior to his comments, Mr. Williams' time as a Regent has a very short shelf-life indeed.

What if she met with Rob Ash? Then it would be REALLY interesting?

But what ifs are about as valuable as the city of Everett is generally, so let's move on. It didn't happen.

I admitted I doubted it happened. But I also doubt that counsel just threw it out there. But again, why the f*ck should anyone expect you to let facts stand in the way of trollin, trollin, trollin??

As for moving on, please take your own advice.