JJ Trial

[Cats2506]

What??? she apparently testified (if you believe twitter) that JJ wasn't hard and she assisted him in getting hard. that's not rape, kind of the opposite of rape.

I followed most of the day and didn't see that. Not saying you are incorrect, but are you sure that was someone at the court reporting or was it just someone throwing in their opinion.

No, you are right, the stuff ranco said was never on twitter (at least the media tweets), he is just making sh!t up to make it look better for JJ.

 

[grizfan95]

What??? she apparently testified (if you believe twitter) that JJ wasn't hard and she assisted him in getting hard. that's not rape, kind of the opposite of rape.

I followed most of the day and didn't see that. Not saying you are incorrect, but are you sure that was someone at the court reporting or was it just someone throwing in their opinion.

I followed most as well and this never was stated. Trolling at its finest.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

I thought I heard Paoli say he would take the stand. Maybe I am wrong!

If counsel promised it, he'll probably take the stand -- otherwise, the prosecution will make a big deal out of it in closing arguments.

 

[ranco]

Check out Ashley Nerbovig's tweets. she tweeted that Paoli asked the woman whether jj was hard when he turned her over and grabbed her by the hips. woman said no. Then Ashley tweeted "woman says she agreed to assist JJ because she gave up"

 

[mtgrizrule]

Barring prosecution finding other girls she claims he sexually assaulted, or providing some hardcore evidence, I don't see how a jury can convict without reasonable doubt. Defense has done everything they should at this point. So far, it looks like prosecution has very little chance to win this case.

My thought is the accuser somehow believes what happened was exactly JJ is being accused of. Based on cross examination by defense, I can see how a male of any age could think what happened was consensual.

Outcome aside, my thoughts and prayers to both parties and families. I hope somehow both parties can figure out how to have as close to a normal life as possible. Both parties will be tarnished and effected for life. Chances are both are good people, that made a bad decision one night, and that night will haunt both forever.

I cannot remember which thread or which poster mentioned this, but they hit the nail on the head from an open minded parental point of view. If my girl, or niece came to me, and told me about the details we have learned from this trial, I would have to feel for her, but tell her to move on. Honey, you got burned and this was a case of "it takes 2", live, learn, and move on. Granted, I likely would have flown off the handle and want to hurt the guy, at 1st. After hearing the details, and calming down, tell the girl, "it is not right to take this case to court, and save everyone the pain of a trial."

I have no idea what her family, friends, and even the prosecuting team told her to begin with. Some may have tried to rationalize this with her, but she had her mind set on punishing JJ. Even if not found guilty, experience the fear and scorn that will haunt him rest of his life.

I honestly don't know how close my thinking is on all this. I met JJ one time, and he impressed me as a person. I have not met the girl, but I cannot fault her for pursuing this, if she truthfully felt in her heart and mind he did this. No matter what any of us say or think bout this, my prayers to both JJ and the accuser. What I don't look forward to is the continue bashing of either party by egrizzers. I hope egrizzers as a whole will take the high road on this case when it is over, and move on without bashing either party.

Like these 2 young adults, hope we too can move on from this with respect, dignity, and understanding.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Check out Ashley Nerbovig's tweets. she tweeted that Paoli asked the woman whether jj was hard when he turned her over and grabbed her by the hips. woman said no. Then Ashley tweeted "woman says she agreed to assist JJ because she gave up"

I missed that the first time. But it ties into the tweet right after about her agreeing she performed a "volitional act" -- might be most significant testimony of the day.

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If she assisted him getting hard, why would the Defendant believe she did not consent?

 

[ranco]

What??? she apparently testified (if you believe twitter) that JJ wasn't hard and she assisted him in getting hard. that's not rape, kind of the opposite of rape.

I followed most of the day and didn't see that. Not saying you are incorrect, but are you sure that was someone at the court reporting or was it just someone throwing in their opinion.

No, you are right, the stuff ranco said was never on twitter (at least the media tweets), he is just making sh!t up to make it look better for JJ.

its not my fault you can't read.

 

[twentythreeOh4]

What??? she apparently testified (if you believe twitter) that JJ wasn't hard and she assisted him in getting hard. that's not rape, kind of the opposite of rape.

I followed most of the day and didn't see that. Not saying you are incorrect, but are you sure that was someone at the court reporting or was it just someone throwing in their opinion.

No, you are right, the stuff ranco said was never on twitter (at least the media tweets), he is just making sh!t up to make it look better for JJ.

Possibly referring to this set of tweets...

Ashley Nerbovig
@Nerb11
Women: I did assist him but it's because I gave up. Paoli: assisting him required a volitional act on your part? She said yes. #JohnsonTrial
5 HOURS AGO· ORIGINAL LINKREPLYRETWEETFAVORITE

Emily Adamson NBC MT
@EmilyNBCMT
Woman agree she did assist Johnson because she gave up. At that point she was not resisting. #JohnsonTrial
5 HOURS AGO· ORIGINAL LINKREPLYRETWEETFAVORITE


Montana Kaimin
@KaiminNews
Doe says she assisted in sex, but only because she gave up. #JohnsonTrial
5 HOURS AGO· ORIGINAL LINKREPLYRETWEETFAVORITE

missoulian
@missoulian
Paoli: Did you assist in any way? W: Yeah, but it was because I gave up. #johnsontrial
5 HOURS AGO· ORIGINAL LINKREPLYRETWEETFAVORITE

missoulian
@missoulian
Paoli: Nurse found no marks on your hips that he apparently grabbed. W: True. #johnsontrial
5 HOURS AGO· ORIGINAL LINKREPLYRETWEETFAVORITE

Ashley Nerbovig
@Nerb11
Women says that when Johnson flipped her he grabbed her hips. Paoli asks if it was hard. She says no. #JohnsonTrial

 

[grizfan95]

What??? she apparently testified (if you believe twitter) that JJ wasn't hard and she assisted him in getting hard. that's not rape, kind of the opposite of rape.

I followed most of the day and didn't see that. Not saying you are incorrect, but are you sure that was someone at the court reporting or was it just someone throwing in their opinion.

No, you are right, the stuff ranco said was never on twitter (at least the media tweets), he is just making sh!t up to make it look better for JJ.

its not my fault you can't read.

Ranco, my apologies. You are absolutely correct.

 

[grizchamp]

I followed most of the day and didn't see that. Not saying you are incorrect, but are you sure that was someone at the court reporting or was it just someone throwing in their opinion.

No, you are right, the stuff ranco said was never on twitter (at least the media tweets), he is just making sh!t up to make it look better for JJ.

its not my fault you can't read.

Ranco, my apologies. You are absolutely correct.

Agreed. I missed it as well.

 

[firmgriz]

No, you are right, the stuff ranco said was never on twitter (at least the media tweets), he is just making sh!t up to make it look better for JJ.

its not my fault you can't read.

Ranco, my apologies. You are absolutely correct.

Agreed. I missed it as well.

That was not said today, either in the courtroom or in the tweets you posted.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Who needs a jury when we have Twitter? :roll:

 

[wbtfg]

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[uofmman1122]

Ashley Nerbovig
@Nerb11
Women says that when Johnson flipped her he grabbed her hips. Paoli asks if it was hard. She says no. #JohnsonTrial

Pretty sure by "was it hard?" he's asking if he grabbed her hard, not if his dick was hard.

Could be wrong, though.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Ashley Nerbovig
@Nerb11
Women says that when Johnson flipped her he grabbed her hips. Paoli asks if it was hard. She says no. #JohnsonTrial

Pretty sure by "was it hard?" he's asking if he grabbed her hard, not if his dick was hard.

Could be wrong, though.

Then what was the "volitional act"?

 

[firmgriz]

The question was whether it was hard for JJ to roll her over or if she assisted him in rolling her over. She said she assisted.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Im sure there was also something where Paoli asked her if she grabbed his crotch, and she said yes. That was about the same time the shirts were coming off...and the ears nibbling was going on. That as the point I did a 180 on the earlier testimony and thought the Defense was winning.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

And this in the dark, on the bed, door shut, amid her many pillows as the Kiamin emphasized, grinding and gyrating...after french kissing. It all adds up to reasonable doubt as to consent so far, IMO.

 

[grizchamp]

its not my fault you can't read.

Ranco, my apologies. You are absolutely correct.

Agreed. I missed it as well.

That was not said today, either in the courtroom or in the tweets you posted.

I didn't post any tweets.

 

[argh!]

if hers was a lying vendetta, why would she be so honest? perhaps because it is not?