JJ Trial

[JBS]

Paoli: Would it be fair to say you can't compartmentalize credibility? #johnsontrial Duerk objects, judge sustains.

nice one Paoli

I think Bell is about to burst into flames.

I'm thinking if anyone wanted to find the two most un-credible witnesses in town for this diagnoses the couldn't have done better. Stratford has been discredited so many times its ridiculous and Bell has absolutley no qualifications to make a diagnoses for any of it.

How so? Stratford is far more qualfied than Bell to make a psychiatric diagnosis. When was he discredited?

Will Stratford used to be the go to guy for Forensic testimony not only here but nationally. He "was" an expert at the MMPI both administering and interpretting it. He has had more misses than hit in his evaluations. He hasn't been used much in the last 10 years. He put a few sex offenders back on the street that shopuld have been put down. I honestly can't remember the details. Most attorneys laugh when his name is bought up. Probably the best they could get on short notice. better than using a GP as a psychiatrist.....

Did he put them back on the streets or did juries not find them guilty. Sorry I won't take your word on this since you had JJ convicted from the beginning. I know nothing about the guy, but your track record on this message board is not stellar. You diagnosed JJ as an "alcohol fueled sexual predator", so I doubt the good doctors hit miss record is any worse than you. Not saying you are wrong about him because I don't know, just would like to hear it from someone else, but in the end it doesn't matter.

 

[stubbins]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

in missoula...land of the agenda, home of the make up for all wrongs in history? Yes, I'm sure.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

I am trying to be objective here for a moment. Is the State's only real "evidence" of a sexual assault that many people confirm that the woman was very upset, depressed, had anxiety, withdrawn and so on? Does anyone recall any proof of a crime being presented? tnt? spokaneman?

 

[tnt]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

 

[Ursa Major]

I think Paolis only mistake was calling this last witness regarding PTSD...the recall by prosecution is leaving some real thoughts in jurors minds....they never would have had that shot if not for beign able to call rebuttal...should have closed with Jordy's dad......

I think you might be right. Doesn't seem like much was gained here today for the defense.

Something was gained, the judge just ruled for the defense.

And Paoli got to say that line about compartmentalizing credibility. That was classic.

And the jury got to listen to PTSD mentioned how many times for how many hours today? See EG: blue car, blue car, blue car... analogy above.

 

[Ursa Major]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

Attention seeking?? She was a reluctant witness.

 

[funny water]

He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

just like there is one attention seeking pharmacy student who is accusing someone of something that appears to never have happened..... :shock:

 

[uofmman1122]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

I don't disagree, but how did their testimony eliminate all reasonable doubt??

I honestly don't think it did. :twocents:

We may hear more in the closing statements, though.

Edit: actually I do disagree with your insistence on labeling any part of this you don't agree with with cheap shots. I think the back and forth on PTSD won't affect the verdict, mostly because it doesn't prove anything.

 

[Grisly Fan]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

Attention seeking?? She was a reluctant witness.

tnt is really good at handing out labels. "alcohol fueled sexual predator", etc. Of course, since she testified as to what she believes and it differs from tnt's perfect view of the world then only answer must be that she is "attention seeking". Here's a label: tool.

 

[grizatwork]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

So... why is the defense witness an attention seeking pharmacy student, but the accuser is not? I am not accusing either one, but you have certainly picked a side haven't you?

 

[JBS]

I think you might be right. Doesn't seem like much was gained here today for the defense.

Something was gained, the judge just ruled for the defense.

And Paoli got to say that line about compartmentalizing credibility. That was classic.

And the jury got to listen to PTSD mentioned how many times for how many hours today? See EG: blue car, blue car, blue car... analogy above.

I know, I get it. I actually thought this morning it might be going somewhere. But is really was unnecessary and the jury was probably sick of it after the first 10 minutes.

 

[tnt]

Did he put them back on the streets or did juries not find them guilty. Sorry I won't take your word on this since you had JJ convicted from the beginning. I know nothing about the guy, but your track record on this message board is not stellar. You diagnosed JJ as an "alcohol fueled sexual predator", so I doubt the good doctors hit miss record is any worse than you. Not saying you are wrong about him because I don't know, just would like to hear it from someone else, but in the end it doesn't matter.

No, he literally put them back on the streets. He was medical director for the State Sex offenders program. He was "partners with Mike Scholatti (who eventually distanced hiom self. The stae quit using him for evaluations and he became a paid mouth until like Speedy said he was take apart a few times. You correct though in the end it doesn't matter. PTSD or anxiety? so what. I'm just surprised no one challenged Bells qualifications to make a Dx. He simply can't and most certainly shouldn't be prescribing the meds he was. with a Dx from someone qualified.

 

[ordigger]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

1. One of the dumbest statements I've ever read on egriz...and thats saying alot. Better go back and review her opening remarks.

2. You state opinions not facts.

3. Obvious you have an agenda here with wording above.

4. Are you going to be on this board 3 months from now? Probably not. Interesting because you joined March of 2012....probably always an agenda.

 

[Griz2k]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

What about the attention seeking pharmacy student that said the accused was acting differently? Double standard much tnt? Unreal.

 

[ordigger]

What if tnt is the alleged victim? We know from her testimony she looks at egriz. What if she posts also?

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

So... why is the defense witness an attention seeking pharmacy student, but the accuser is not? I am not accusing either one, but you have certainly picked a side haven't you?

Wasn't the defense witness a reluctant witness that was only there because she was ordered to be there? Or was that someone else? If so that sounds like the opposite from an attention seeking pharmacy student.

 

[Grisly Fan]

"What if tnt is the alleged victim? We know from her testimony she looks at egriz. What if she posts also?"

An interesting possibility!

 

[funny water]

Wasn't the defense witness a reluctant witness that was only there because she was ordered to be there? Or was that someone else? If so that sounds like the opposite from an attention seeking pharmacy student.

Shizzle....how dare you discredit TNT's agenda.... :thumb:

 

[RobGriz]

If I understand it right, the prosecution's case has been basically proving that Doe has PTSD, and hoping the jury makes the connection that this proves rape??

Is this standard in rape trials like this?

Pretty close. The attempt to show actions and reactions by the alleged victims are consistent with the event. All the mumbo jumbo from both sides did nothing. Paoli confirmed and reconfirmed it. if there was any belief of the girls tesimony in a trial. Establishing "trauma" after can cement a verdict. Paoli spent a lot of time on semantics not actions, it may or may not of helped. He had one attention seeking pharmacy student say she wasn't acting differently.

What about the attention seeking pharmacy student that said the accused was acting differently? Double standard much tnt? Unreal.

Just making sure the basis are covered.

 

[UMGriz75]

Tnt has a way of fabricating things.

This was posted here a few days ago:

missoulian @missoulian
Wright: He's honest. I've known him to be nothing but a perfect gentleman. He makes everyone around him better.

Twittermissoulian @missoulian
Wright: His reputation among men, women, young, old, was more than what showed up on a report card. He's a good person. #johnsontrial

TwitterEmily Foster @emilyABCFOXMT
Wright: he treats women well #JohnsonTrial

And comparing these comments with this sentence from "tnt" 8/11/2012:

JJ "also has some baggage from high school according a teacher I know from there. He likes getting his way."

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57961&hilit=tnt&start=350#p779422

Among other slanders and libels concocted by that poster, I was surprised that nothing, absolutely nothing about this, came about or was suggested during examination or cross-examination.