JJ Trial

[maroon]

That's a good point. Pro bono is designed to assist those without recourse to negotiate their way into the legal system. It is designed to help the poor. It could be thought of as a perversion of the system to volunteer your time to assist the all-powerful State into making someone poor as the result of your efforts ...

Kind of a twisted motive now that I think about it ... more for "public" advertising than for genuine relief and support for the poor; what the system "intended."

See rule 6.1 from the Rules of Professional Conduct for Montana attorneys.
The intent of the rule is to help those in need.

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[uofmman1122]

Been thinking about it a lot more. Nt saying it will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pflugrad was the last character witness.

He's known JJ for years, probably was one of the people JJ confided in as it was happening, was directly affected by this case, and probably wants to talk about it.

Also answers why he's not available until tomorrow.

Makes sense, IMO. :twocents:

 

[PlayerRep]

Following Twitter feed today,
Whomever is tweeting for the Missoulian sure seems to have an agenda.. seems like they are adding commentary, things that others aren't...

missoulian ‏@missoulian
J: He would have stopped. "That's how I was raised by my parents is to respect people." #johnsontrial Even tho he didn't want relationship.

Was that asked by Pabst, or was this just thrown in?

I guess thats part of the frustration of watching this unfold on Twitter..

The Missoulian tweets have been biased, both by what they say and what is omitted. Same with their stories. My guess is that the biased tweets are coming from Florio. It's important to look at the tweets from the other media people. More accurate and I haven't noticed bias.

 

[PlayerRep]

Shit Tully is up for the Defense? We know he can't play defense. JJ is screwed

Tully did a good job.

 

[PlayerRep]

Does anybody know if Jane Doe is in the courtroom?

I don't believe she has been in the courtroom at all, except for her testimony.

 

[PlayerRep]

For those watching more closely, there appears to be some discussion on twitter that JJ admits to "pinning" the accuser. If that's true, that would certainly lend some credibility to the claim. Anyone have any thoughts on how effective that was for the prosecution?

From the Twitter feed it sounds as though his attorneys rehabilitated him on redirect, when they had him clarify that he had his hands on her arms, but that he didn't have his weight on his hands and she could have gotten up and or away from him if she really wanted to.

At least that's how I read it.

Correct. Johnson could have answered the prosecutor's question more clearly. It came from something he had said in an earlier statement. He must have said he had "all" of his weight on his hands and had her pinned down by having his hands on her forearms. I suspect that all did was answer yes to the asker's trick question. Since he was on his knees (as was she), he couldn't possibly have had all his weight on his hands. To do that, he would have had to be doing a hand stand. He shouldn't have admitted to having her pinned down at all, because on re-direct, he said he didn't have her pinned down because she could have rolled over or gotten up or away anytime. They were 2 inches from the edge of the bed. The prosecutor will probably try to make a big deal of this in closing, but I'm sure the defense will counter. I doubt that the jury really thought that he meant that he had her pinned down, after listening to the whole testimony. Johnson was agreeing to the prosecutor's leading questions to easily and too quickly.

 

[PlayerRep]

Listening to parents testimony (from both sides) makes my stomach churn. I couldn't imagine my son/daughter being on either side of this. Ugh....

I can't even imagine having a kid wrapped up in this stuff.

This is the most poignant testimony of the trial.

The Kaimin, which has done a notably better job than the Missoulian throughout, notes that several members of the Jury were visibly affected. The Missoulian apparently didn't notice.

Mr. Johnson's testimony, taken with that of his son's and all of the son's character witnesses, describe one person.

This now offers a dramatic contrast with the State's witnesses, including Jane Doe's parents, who were so dramatically at odds on key points, and in particular Jane Doe apparently having had a completely different childhood than the one recalled by her parents.

This "shouldn't" have much to do with what the Jury has to do, but it will. This was very strong testimony from a boy's father.

I agree. I had been a bit concerned about all the tears and emotion on the accuer's side having an undue influence on the jury, but now there are some tears and emotion on the accused's side. It is absolutely heart-wrenching to look at the faces of the Johnsons when they walk past you in the hallway, or coming out of court. They look like shells of themselves, almost like zombies.

 

[PlayerRep]

No cross for the PI either? This is weird, isn't it?

PI seemed like a pointless witness from the twitter feed? Says he talked to the roommates and ex boyfriend but never said what was discussed.

Possibly saving time for closing arguments? Doesn't seem like they'd gain a thing crossing Jordan's dad and the PI's info wasn't much, IMO.

From earlier testimony, it seems to me the prosecution was trying to portray the PI as early intimidation by Johnson's lawyers, trying to pressure the accuser into not pursuing this further. If nothing else, today's testimony by the PI makes it sound like he was a good guy, polite and just trying to gather information from the roommates and observe the layout of the residence. That is a win for the defense.

This was my take too.

 

[bigforkgriz]

I remember it coming up in the motion to dismiss, filed waaay back on August 7th. Remember this was done because there was no probable cause sufficient to sustain the charge of sexual intercourse without consent.

I have changed my view of this whole sorry affair, from what I thought was a girl with a fertile imagination and a fragile emotional grip was hiding behind the law to reclaim her virtue and perhaps was intoxicated on the notoriety. I have felt all along that it was bullshit, but now I am thinking otherwise.

I recall the shit storm that was swirling around the whole football program and athletic department. To coin a term from politics, the "optics" were terrible for this case to be dismissed. As much adieu about nothing that it all turned out to be, at least for Jordy's sake, it all came to the light of day in a public trial. If the charges were dismissed amid all the bad publicity, there would have been a cloud hanging over the young man, and he certainly would have been expelled by the "honors court" or whatever they call it.

Now I am confident he will be exonerated and I dare the UM kangaroo court to carry through with their bullshit "expulsion". Perhaps they will reconsider now that all the air has been let out of the souffle.

The terrible optics may still generate a shit storm if he gets acquitted. Something like, "A terrible football rapist gets off again." People are watching state-wide and nationally that are ill-informed and are convinced he is guilty no matter what the trial outcome might be. I think Pat William's thug comments are a commonly held view of the Griz as well as the support for firing Pflu and O'day.

 

[PlayerRep]

Any guesses on who the witness will be tomorrow? Seeing the amount of time allotted and it being the defenses last witness, I expect someone pretty high profile. I have always scoffed at the idea that Pflugrad might testify, but I'm not quite as sure now. Maybe?

If not Pflu, O'day??

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what about the 'i will do you anytime' comment supposedly made at the Ball? maybe somebody who testifies to that?

I'm starting to think that this comment never actually was said. One would think that would be a pretty significant quote pertaining to the case.

I wonder if the judge granted a pre-trial motion from the prosecution to exclude it. Motion in limine.

 

[TxGriz]

I remember it coming up in the motion to dismiss, filed waaay back on August 7th. Remember this was done because there was no probable cause sufficient to sustain the charge of sexual intercourse without consent.

I have changed my view of this whole sorry affair, from what I thought was a girl with a fertile imagination and a fragile emotional grip was hiding behind the law to reclaim her virtue and perhaps was intoxicated on the notoriety. I have felt all along that it was bullshit, but now I am thinking otherwise.

I recall the shit storm that was swirling around the whole football program and athletic department. To coin a term from politics, the "optics" were terrible for this case to be dismissed. As much adieu about nothing that it all turned out to be, at least for Jordy's sake, it all came to the light of day in a public trial. If the charges were dismissed amid all the bad publicity, there would have been a cloud hanging over the young man, and he certainly would have been expelled by the "honors court" or whatever they call it.

Now I am confident he will be exonerated and I dare the UM kangaroo court to carry through with their bullshit "expulsion". Perhaps they will reconsider now that all the air has been let out of the souffle.

Even if he is acquitted, what did it cost him in legal fees? Sad all around.

No doubt about it, JJ got caught in the perfect storm. If this had all come down without the spotlight being on the county and the University it would have blown over. As it was the Johnson family is saddled with the cost of his defense and two people were fired from jobs without due process.

I think there will be a way out of the legal costs for him and his family. Things tend to work out for the best in the long run, perhaps some form of help will come through once he gets past NCAA scrutiny.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Shit Tully is up for the Defense? We know he can't play defense. JJ is screwed

Classic.

 

[griz4life]

Did anyone pick up on Johnson stating that Doe gave him the choice of sticking around or going home later? Sure sounded like he had the option of staying the night. The prosecution didn't even bring it up on cross examination.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Is there more video coverage of JJ and/or his dad testifying? I just seen the little clip on KPAX.com.

My God, I cannot imagine the pain each party and each family is going through.
JJ saying he cannot remember what it is like to be normal, really hit me hard. Then his dad commenting on 13 months of this, tore me up further. Brought a few tears to my eyes. I am sure there were a lot of teary eyes in that courtroom today.

JJ sounded sincere, and no way on Earth those were fake tears, or emotions.

I still have not seen any evidence proofing him guilty. Finally, after watching that video, my prayers to each family, jj, and the girl. I hope and wish the best for both sides, and pray for 100% healing, and strength throughout your lives.

 

[Gametime]

Is there more video coverage of JJ and/or his dad testifying? I just seen the little clip on KPAX.com.

My God, I cannot imagine the pain each party and each family is going through.
JJ saying he cannot remember what it is like to be normal, really hit me hard. Then his dad commenting on 13 months of this, tore me up further. Brought a few tears to my eyes. I am sure there were a lot of teary eyes in that courtroom today.

JJ sounded sincere, and no way on Earth those were fake tears, or emotions.

I still have not seen any evidence proofing him guilty. Finally, after watching that video, my prayers to each family, jj, and the girl. I hope and wish the best for both sides, and pray for 100% healing, and strength throughout your lives.

There is little doubt he will be found not guilty. Do you think if he hadn't made such a stupid selfish decision in the first place, he wouldn't be in this situation? You mess with the bull, you get the horns. I am sure he thought he was pretty smooth when he had his minute of sex with her and tossed her aside like yesterday news. That might not have been the best decision. Because as cool as he thought he was, I would say she is getting the last laugh whether he gets off or not.

Reality: JJ had a few beers and was horny, he knew this girl< Jane Doe, liked him and would be an easy score on short notice, he did everything he could to have sex with her, had sex with her, he came and instantly regretted it and wanted to never see her again and worried that the girl he really liked would find out and wanted nothing to do with this girl anymore. Jane Doe likes JJ and thinks this is her big chance to finally be with him. He shows interest and she invites him over and hopes for a long term relationship. Things going her way and get hot and heavy. They have sex, although bad and awkward, and she hopes this is the start of something great. He is distant and aloof to her after sex. She gets upset and feels used and is so hurt because the guy she liked just treated her like a cheap hooker, she cries rape. That is the most likely story in this entire sordid affair.

 

[Ursus1]

Gametime....I see it the same way. Just because he is a QB...a lot more people got drug in and.lives got really messed up....ODay... Pflu etc.

 

[1976griz]

No doubt Jane Doe is checking out what you all are saying about her ...right here on egriz.

There are way too many clues, however, to keep her identity a secret.

Also, if the 40 people she originally told each told 2 people, and those people told 2 people....before long everybody knows.

 

[Gametime]

Gametime....I see it the same way. Just because he is a QB...a lot more people got drug in and.lives got really messed up....ODay... Pflu etc.

+1

He had the spot light on him. Everyone knew that the world was watching, especially him. His dumb decision cost at least two great men their jobs, cost his family $100,000 plus in legal bills, threw the University in a further negative light. All so he could get laid by some girl he didn't even apparently like.

 

[UMGriz75]

They have sex, although bad and awkward, and she hopes this is the start of something great. He is distant and aloof to her after sex. She gets upset and feels used and is so hurt because the guy she liked just treated her like a cheap hooker, she cries rape. That is the most likely story in this entire sordid affair.

That fits the part of her testimony that was witnessed by the roommate. "I think I was raped." If he had been attentive, she wasn't raped. By being cold and aloof, she was raped since she had set, in her own mind, "conditions" and he had not fulfilled those conditions. Therefore it was involuntary on her part and therefore it must have been rape.

It fits the convoluted mindset that characterizes her behavior throughout this ordeal, and as testified to at trial.

 

[Fushiznitz]

Any guesses on who the witness will be tomorrow? Seeing the amount of time allotted and it being the defenses last witness, I expect someone pretty high profile. I have always scoffed at the idea that Pflugrad might testify, but I'm not quite as sure now. Maybe?

If not Pflu, O'day??

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what about the 'i will do you anytime' comment supposedly made at the Ball? maybe somebody who testifies to that?

I'm starting to think that this comment never actually was said. One would think that would be a pretty significant quote pertaining to the case.

A lawyer I am not. But I think bringing that quote up was a trap the prosecution was praying for the defense to bring up. Bring in multiple defense witnesses to attest to her saying it. Then Jordy is on the stand during the prosecution's cross-examination.

-"So, she said she would do you"? Yep
-"So that was your consent?" Well, but......... "No further questions your Honor"