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Jim O'Day - Q&A

I don't want to start a big debate but look back at the questions regarding the NCAA investigation. BUT JOD said it was because of the DOJ and DOE investigation's. The NCAA investigation started in Jan. which he had been "cooperating with" The DOJ came "out of the blue" much later.... The DOE after that.

Now either he was confused at the question, lying, or knows a lot more of what lead up to the "non-renewal" than he was letting on and "misspoke."

Somehow it didn't convince me of a grave injustice.
 
Wouldn't it be ironic if RE got the ax and Jim O'Day was hired back by the University? I doubt that would happen but stranger things have happened...like deserving to have a job.
 
tnt said:
I don't want to start a big debate but look back at the questions regarding the NCAA investigation. BUT JOD said it was because of the DOJ and DOE investigation's. The NCAA investigation started in Jan. which he had been "cooperating with" The DOJ came "out of the blue" much later.... The DOE after that.

Now either he was confused at the question, lying, or knows a lot more of what lead up to the "non-renewal" than he was letting on and "misspoke."

Somehow it didn't convince me of a grave injustice.

I noticed that too :thumb:
 
Cats2506 said:
tnt said:
I don't want to start a big debate but look back at the questions regarding the NCAA investigation. BUT JOD said it was because of the DOJ and DOE investigation's. The NCAA investigation started in Jan. which he had been "cooperating with" The DOJ came "out of the blue" much later.... The DOE after that.

Now either he was confused at the question, lying, or knows a lot more of what lead up to the "non-renewal" than he was letting on and "misspoke."

Somehow it didn't convince me of a grave injustice.

I noticed that too :thumb:

As did I. I'm also wondering if I'm the only one who thinks Jim may be talking a bit much about the details of this whole thing....especially if there's a potential lawsuit out there. :?
 
AZGrizFan said:
Cats2506 said:
tnt said:
I don't want to start a big debate but look back at the questions regarding the NCAA investigation. BUT JOD said it was because of the DOJ and DOE investigation's. The NCAA investigation started in Jan. which he had been "cooperating with" The DOJ came "out of the blue" much later.... The DOE after that.

Now either he was confused at the question, lying, or knows a lot more of what lead up to the "non-renewal" than he was letting on and "misspoke."

Somehow it didn't convince me of a grave injustice.

I noticed that too :thumb:

As did I. I'm also wondering if I'm the only one who thinks Jim may be talking a bit much about the details of this whole thing....especially if there's a potential lawsuit out there. :?
Maybe I am missing the point but there could be all of these investigations AND he could still be shocked at his "non-renewal". The two conditions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Perhaps he should have seen it coming but if he was truly convinced of being blameless then he could honestly be surprised. Since we are not privy to the backroom conversations, we also don't know what the people around him were telling him. They could have had him convinced that everything would be OK. Ultimately it may be he had a serious blind spot but that really is not uncommon for people in situations that start to spiral out of control.
 
Grisly Fan said:
AZGrizFan said:
Cats2506 said:
tnt said:
Maybe I am missing the point but there could be all of these investigations AND he could still be shocked at his "non-renewal". The two conditions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Perhaps he should have seen it coming but if he was truly convinced of being blameless then he could honestly be surprised. Since we are not privy to the backroom conversations, we also don't know what the people around him were telling him. They could have had him convinced that everything would be OK. Ultimately it may be he had a serious blind spot but that really is not uncommon for people in situations that start to spiral out of control.

He had the order of the investigations (and reasons ) WAY out of order.Read again why he said the NCAA was poking around..... Many people who are fired "didn't see it coming"

Its just confirms to me none of us know enough to make a judgement (or ever will.)
 
Curious about the search for a new AD. Is there a national search or is Engstrom going to hire another insider?
 
The question is WHY????? Public has a right to know why these people were fired. To hell with law suits we have the right to know why? No excuse RE, spit it out like a man!

Supervisor-boss-leader all require traits of ingenious, quickwitted, keen in bargaining, smartness, cleverness honesty and fairness. All of these traits are and were missing with regards to this fire job fiasco! Transparency is and was zero.

Supervisors are required to give and make job status interviews with employees under them. These need to be performed every 6 months in most cases. Upon doing these person to person interviews that follow an employees job description, faults are pointed out along with exceptional work and during the subsequent meetings the faults are noted as improved, still need work, or are a dismal failure. These are a short version of what NEEDS to occur in able to dismiss workers, give raises etc. All Fed. State and county workers should fall under this type of system. I have roughly pointed out the system. We use a similar system in the private companies we own (more sophisticated) but you get the point.

Now, if that is followed, employees are saved from angry hip shooters that are mad at the time and can not fire a employee on a spur of the moment anger. This is why I am so damn mad at the results in this case. If they should be fired and it is shown on reviews with them, then by all means get rid of them.

I'd fire myself twice a day. My anger and disgust can blind a person. A reasonable way exists to dismiss people and not have a great big hulabalu over it. Royce is and was wrong. I am not saying he should not have fired these guys but this was tacky. Way over the top by a person in his shoes.

The public needs to know. I want to know. Thanks to Tokyo for this Q and A.
 
Thank Mr. O'Day for responding to my email and letting some light onto this dark era of UM history.

I hope we can find the answers to the questions we are all asking and the solutions to lead UM, Missoula, and Montana into the future. Please help if you can. We are not one man or woman in search of answers, we are griz nation. Its time to take the initiative as a group.
 
tourist said:
Great post, Tokyogriz. I was hoping to see O'Days take on this. Also, l :shock: ooks like you've done the impossible...silenced Alpha. :shock:

The sunlight seemed to have scared away the troll but hes back now. ;)

He is mostly hangoing out were he belongs here.... http://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27584&start=100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... check out page 6 he has some great insights into Frank Fields article. Classic Alpha
 
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