With Mick Delaney named as HC for the 2012 season, and all the assistants committed to stay for the year, this will be an excellent opportunity to observe and evaluate those guys presently on staff as candidates for the next HC (Rosie?, Lerch?). If someone now on the staff is selected it should make for an easy transition--make it more likely that assistants would be retained, there would be less likelyhood that an entirely new offensive and/or defensive philosophy would have to be installed, and recruiting can continue without a hiccup.
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Is the 2013 head coach now on staff?
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MissoulaMarinerFan
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Only way I would want one of the current assistants as head coach next year is if they didn't have involvement with the program the previous year. It'd be far easier to start cleaning up the mess with a fresh face, rather than someone who's been in "the system" for awhile.
My thoughts that I shared in the supporters section earlier this week:
The interesting thing moving forward and looking to 2013 and on is the current staff on the team. A new HC will probably be looking to bring in some of "his guys" and will not just take over a job with every assistant position filled.
Looking at the current staff I think after this season we'll see a few things happen:
1. retirements of Arbuckle, Burtnett, and Beers. All friends of Pflu who are probably not looking to further their careers as coaches for much longer anyways. These guys might not have the energy or drive to handle another regime change and might just consider retirement rather than interviewing for their jobs again. Oviatt might also fall into this category, I'm not sure if coach O is thinking of retirement soon.
2. Alternate job offers for Williams, Baker, Legi, and Gragg - all younger and considered up and coming position coaches who, depending on the 2012 season, could be hot prospects for an FBS team to scoop up or an FCS team to promote to a higher-up position.
3. Relatively unknown prospects for Gregorak, Rosenbach, Oviatt, and Green. Why? Well Oviatt could be winding down his career, although an entrenched S&C coach is a good thing to have if your planned regimine matches up. Gregorak and Rosy are in their first years as coordinators and Green is in his first year as a position coach. All three could get jobs elsewhere for sure, but a new coach (if the planned systems stay the same) might be thinking of someone else to be his top coaches at the DC/OC position.
It's impossible to guess now but I'd venture we see at least 3 retirements and probably 3 or 4 transfers out after the 2012 season. The degree of uncertainty with a new coach coming in might lead the younger coaches without a lot of ties to Montana (like Williams, Rosy, and Legi) to consider moving on a little more quickly, IMO.
The interesting thing moving forward and looking to 2013 and on is the current staff on the team. A new HC will probably be looking to bring in some of "his guys" and will not just take over a job with every assistant position filled.
Looking at the current staff I think after this season we'll see a few things happen:
1. retirements of Arbuckle, Burtnett, and Beers. All friends of Pflu who are probably not looking to further their careers as coaches for much longer anyways. These guys might not have the energy or drive to handle another regime change and might just consider retirement rather than interviewing for their jobs again. Oviatt might also fall into this category, I'm not sure if coach O is thinking of retirement soon.
2. Alternate job offers for Williams, Baker, Legi, and Gragg - all younger and considered up and coming position coaches who, depending on the 2012 season, could be hot prospects for an FBS team to scoop up or an FCS team to promote to a higher-up position.
3. Relatively unknown prospects for Gregorak, Rosenbach, Oviatt, and Green. Why? Well Oviatt could be winding down his career, although an entrenched S&C coach is a good thing to have if your planned regimine matches up. Gregorak and Rosy are in their first years as coordinators and Green is in his first year as a position coach. All three could get jobs elsewhere for sure, but a new coach (if the planned systems stay the same) might be thinking of someone else to be his top coaches at the DC/OC position.
It's impossible to guess now but I'd venture we see at least 3 retirements and probably 3 or 4 transfers out after the 2012 season. The degree of uncertainty with a new coach coming in might lead the younger coaches without a lot of ties to Montana (like Williams, Rosy, and Legi) to consider moving on a little more quickly, IMO.
In terms of the guys with this staff that could be the 2013 HC. It depends on how the season shakes out but I think Gregorak and Rosenbach are too new to their current positions to move up higher. Burtnett and Beers maybe... but are either of them really wanting to do that? The rest really aren't ready or even close to be honest.
If Delaney does really well (which will be tough to define this year in the face of so many current challenges) and IF he has the passion to continue, I'd love to see him put 2-3 years in and keep the staff and system together, and groom the next HC. At that point we could see a few guys ready, much like in 1996 when Don Read retired and both Mick Dennehey and Jerome Souers were pretty well qualified and experienced to take over.
If Delaney does really well (which will be tough to define this year in the face of so many current challenges) and IF he has the passion to continue, I'd love to see him put 2-3 years in and keep the staff and system together, and groom the next HC. At that point we could see a few guys ready, much like in 1996 when Don Read retired and both Mick Dennehey and Jerome Souers were pretty well qualified and experienced to take over.
Would it be possible/plausible to bring someone on to coach QBs or another position for the 2012 season with the intent to promote them to Head Coach once Mick "retires". This would help the recruiting process and provide more continuity, IMO. Would the coaches on staff now go with it?
I have always liked the "move our young coaches up" situations in the past. Gives young people a chance to stay in one place and move into the head spot.
One bad thing I see is we are constantly changing head coaches way to fast. Examples of not doing that look over to Helena, they just love him and he has been doing very well (Van Diest)
The person that decides will be our new AD>
One bad thing I see is we are constantly changing head coaches way to fast. Examples of not doing that look over to Helena, they just love him and he has been doing very well (Van Diest)
The person that decides will be our new AD>
maroonandsilver said:
In answer to your subject. Oohhh yes. The mere fact that even as probable temps they have spent some time on campus will qualify them as prime prospects for perpetuating the decades old nepotic practice that trumps consideration of anyone lacking previous ties to UM or the state. And as in the past candidates with no previous head coaching experience may also be moved to the head of the line.
WAGrizzlyFan
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Rosie as head coach?! First, he wrecked EWU' offense as OC. Then, WSU's production went down with him as QB coach but actually calling the plays. Last stop before UM, he gets fired as OC for having the WORST OFFENSE IN THE COUNTRY!
Careful what you wish for...
Careful what you wish for...
BDizzle said:
The challenge would be pay, IMO. Right now the staff is all at the same level that it was in the last few years, so finding the funds to make another hire would have to come from outside sources. I'm not totally well versed on NCAA rules and what they allow but if it is allowable the best source might be the QB club or a few major boosters to go that route. The issue is of course is that both of those pools are heavily fractured right now due to the abrupt firings of Pflu and O'Day.
Additionally if the next HC isn't on staff currently the chances of the 2013 HC just being available right now and not tied into some other job is probably slim.
reinell30 said:
It will probably come down to how successful the 2012 team is. If we have a great year, and Mick still wants to coach, which he seems willing to do, he will have his contract extended. If the season is a disaster, he will not be offerred, and there might then also be loads of pressure on a certain someone now occupying that building with the pointy spire.
so then it comes down to what is minimally acceptable for Delaney next year? is 7-4 acceptable? is one and done in the playoffs acceptable?
i agree that if he has a 10 win season and accepts a contract extension it makes things easier. but, what if? seems that if he doesn't have a successful year, things become very difficult.
i agree that if he has a 10 win season and accepts a contract extension it makes things easier. but, what if? seems that if he doesn't have a successful year, things become very difficult.
Growler1 said:
Too late for that. We'll be fine. We have more depth than folks want to think. Montanas long history of supporting to a fault our QB's has been a problem at times leaving the impression we only have one. WEe don't.
An interesting thing about Mick if you follow his career even going back to HS (we're talking football) he has been assistant to some pretty succesful coaches. In almost every instance when they have moved on or up and left him behind, they have either fallen flat on their faces or have gone backwards.
He is going to be fun to watch. He deserves it.
