In-state recruits not a big deal in North Dakota

[CV Griz Fan]

Huh? where have they played then?

Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.

Sorry Griz4life, according to Rivals.com, the state of Montana had the worst ratio of the number of HS football players divided by the number of FBS scholarship offers in the country. Montana's ratio 0/4691 for the 2013 recruiting class. Enough said on that topic.

On the same token, I would bet the number of Montana kids in the NFL right now is very good, based on state populations.

That is a good point Hammer. To UM's credit they have developed a lot of " under the radar" talent over the years. Every talent evaluator has missed on prospects. But having a recruiting strategy that is based primarily on "in state" Montana talent is not the best long term answer anymore. The statistics are glaring.

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.

Sorry Griz4life, according to Rivals.com, the state of Montana had the worst ratio of the number of HS football players divided by the number of FBS scholarship offers in the country. Montana's ratio 0/4691 for the 2013 recruiting class. Enough said on that topic.

On the same token, I would bet the number of Montana kids in the NFL right now is very good, based on state populations.

That is a good point Hammer. To UM's credit they have developed a lot of " under the radar" talent over the years. Every talent evaluator has missed on prospects. But having a recruiting strategy that is based primarily on "in state" Montana talent is not the best long term answer anymore. The statistics are glaring.

Totally disagree. The player to FBS stat really doesn't tell us much in terms in talent. FBS schools aren't going to spend time digging for under the radar prospects in Montana and there have been many in-state players that have proved to be FBS level athletes. I believe Hammer's stat, the proportion of All-Americans and All-Conference FCS players Montana produces is much more telling to where our best talent is coming from and where we should continue to focus our efforts. Not saying we should continue to beat the same exact drum year after year, but you can't abandon the regions that have made you successful.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Sorry Griz4life, according to Rivals.com, the state of Montana had the worst ratio of the number of HS football players divided by the number of FBS scholarship offers in the country. Montana's ratio 0/4691 for the 2013 recruiting class. Enough said on that topic.

On the same token, I would bet the number of Montana kids in the NFL right now is very good, based on state populations.

That is a good point Hammer. To UM's credit they have developed a lot of " under the radar" talent over the years. Every talent evaluator has missed on prospects. But having a recruiting strategy that is based primarily on "in state" Montana talent is not the best long term answer anymore. The statistics are glaring.

Totally disagree. The player to FBS stat really doesn't tell us much in terms in talent. FBS schools aren't going to spend time digging for under the radar prospects in Montana and there have been many in-state players that have proved to be FBS level athletes. I believe Hammer's stat, the proportion of All-Americans and All-Conference FCS players Montana produces is much more telling to where our best talent is coming from and where we should continue to focus our efforts. Not saying we should continue to beat the same exact drum year after year, but you can't abandon the regions that have made you successful.

High line: 0 for 4691? The worst in the USA. I don't want to go "money ball" on you but that statistic
Is "mind boggling".

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

On the same token, I would bet the number of Montana kids in the NFL right now is very good, based on state populations.

That is a good point Hammer. To UM's credit they have developed a lot of " under the radar" talent over the years. Every talent evaluator has missed on prospects. But having a recruiting strategy that is based primarily on "in state" Montana talent is not the best long term answer anymore. The statistics are glaring.

Totally disagree. The player to FBS stat really doesn't tell us much in terms in talent. FBS schools aren't going to spend time digging for under the radar prospects in Montana and there have been many in-state players that have proved to be FBS level athletes. I believe Hammer's stat, the proportion of All-Americans and All-Conference FCS players Montana produces is much more telling to where our best talent is coming from and where we should continue to focus our efforts. Not saying we should continue to beat the same exact drum year after year, but you can't abandon the regions that have made you successful.

High line: 0 for 4691? The worst in the USA. I don't want to go "money ball" on you but that statistic
Is "mind boggling".

Meh... Not to me. I'm more concerned where Montana can get its best players, not where FBS programs choose to recruit. There were 6 Montana natives that were 1st team All-Conference last year, including the best Defensive player in the country. We devote about a quarter of our scholarships each year to Montana natives. I think that is a good number and it has paid us huge dividends on player that otherwise wouldn't have played for us. You think players like Biermann and Shillinger would have suited up for us if we abandoned recruiting in-state and didn't offer them scholarships? I encourage you to look at our past All-American, All-Conference, and Pro lists. These facts of information will reinforce the importance of in-state recruiting.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

That is a good point Hammer. To UM's credit they have developed a lot of " under the radar" talent over the years. Every talent evaluator has missed on prospects. But having a recruiting strategy that is based primarily on "in state" Montana talent is not the best long term answer anymore. The statistics are glaring.

Totally disagree. The player to FBS stat really doesn't tell us much in terms in talent. FBS schools aren't going to spend time digging for under the radar prospects in Montana and there have been many in-state players that have proved to be FBS level athletes. I believe Hammer's stat, the proportion of All-Americans and All-Conference FCS players Montana produces is much more telling to where our best talent is coming from and where we should continue to focus our efforts. Not saying we should continue to beat the same exact drum year after year, but you can't abandon the regions that have made you successful.

High line: 0 for 4691? The worst in the USA. I don't want to go "money ball" on you but that statistic
Is "mind boggling".

Meh... Not to me. I'm more concerned where Montana can get its best players, not where FBS programs choose to recruit. There were 6 Montana natives that were 1st team All-Conference last year, including the best Defensive player in the country. We devote about a quarter of our scholarships each year to Montana natives. I think that is a good number and it has paid us huge dividends on player that otherwise wouldn't have played for us. You think players like Biermann and Shillinger would have suited up for us if we abandoned recruiting in-state and didn't offer them scholarships? I encourage you to look at our past All-American, All-Conference, and Pro lists. These facts of information will reinforce the importance of in-state recruiting.

Again, this thread is about NDSU and their strategy for dominating the FCS. Football is a "Copy Cat" sport. Being All-Conference is great and winning the conference is great. Winning "back to back" championships and being the "Class" of the FCS by a long shot is another story. Programs that begin to duplicate NDSU's model will thrive IMO. Those programs That "cling" to past strategies without considering new ideas are going to stay stagnant.

 

[Paytonlives]

Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?

Huh? where have they played then?

Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.

19 FBS players from Montana in 12 years (Average less than 2)

2013- Hanser from Billings Central (WSU)
2012- Carrigan from Butte (Oregon)
2011- Roderick from Bozeman (Nevada) now a cat
2010- Miller from Capital (Boise)
2009- Oswieller from Flathead (ASU)
2009- Thomas from Flathead (Oregon State)
2008- Graggert from Libby (Colorado State)
2008- McMillian from Billings Central (Iowa)
2008- Leonard from Helena (Wyoming)
2007- Hustad from Helena (ASU)
2007- Davis from B. Skyview (CSU)
2006- NONE
2005- NONE
2004- Donovan from Superior (WSU)
2004- Booth from West (Oregon)
2004- Sunberg from Columbus (Wyoming)
2004- Bissell from Bozeman (Boise)
2003- Leaf from Great Falls (Oregon then WSU)
2003- Weidernar from Bozeman (Wyoming)
2002- Roberts from Malta (Nebraska) 5 star Kicker!!!!
2002- Bowerman from Victor (Army)

 

[Bisonation]

NDSU has 31 Minnesotans 21 IN STATE NODAKS...so...this thread is wrong http://www.gobison.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&SPID=695&SPSID=11845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Totally disagree. The player to FBS stat really doesn't tell us much in terms in talent. FBS schools aren't going to spend time digging for under the radar prospects in Montana and there have been many in-state players that have proved to be FBS level athletes. I believe Hammer's stat, the proportion of All-Americans and All-Conference FCS players Montana produces is much more telling to where our best talent is coming from and where we should continue to focus our efforts. Not saying we should continue to beat the same exact drum year after year, but you can't abandon the regions that have made you successful.

High line: 0 for 4691? The worst in the USA. I don't want to go "money ball" on you but that statistic
Is "mind boggling".

Meh... Not to me. I'm more concerned where Montana can get its best players, not where FBS programs choose to recruit. There were 6 Montana natives that were 1st team All-Conference last year, including the best Defensive player in the country. We devote about a quarter of our scholarships each year to Montana natives. I think that is a good number and it has paid us huge dividends on player that otherwise wouldn't have played for us. You think players like Biermann and Shillinger would have suited up for us if we abandoned recruiting in-state and didn't offer them scholarships? I encourage you to look at our past All-American, All-Conference, and Pro lists. These facts of information will reinforce the importance of in-state recruiting.

Again, this thread is about NDSU and their strategy for dominating the FCS. Football is a "Copy Cat" sport. Being All-Conference is great and winning the conference is great. Winning "back to back" championships and being the "Class" of the FCS by a long shot is another story. Programs that begin to duplicate NDSU's model will thrive IMO. Those programs That "cling" to past strategies without considering new ideas are going to stay stagnant.

This thread is about recruiting and your points have pointed to making strategic changes on where we focus our recruiting, which I disagree with. I believe the facts of where our best recent talent has come from and where we have the recognition and connections to recruit higher level players is stronger than statistics that show where FBS schools are recruiting. You can't expect to duplicate NDSU's recruiting strategy and expect a similar result. They are a completely different program with a completely different coaching staff with different recruiting connections. Montana's best recipe for success is being the best Montana it can be, not duplicating NDSU. If we abandoned the NW and CA and dove into NDSU's recruiting regions, that would be extremely risky. We just don't have the connections or name recognition in those areas that we do in the NW that allow us to land Tripps, Kidders, Holmes, and Johnsons. NDSU's overall talent really isn't much better than ours anyways. Program stability, great coaching, and player development is as instrumental to their success as recruiting is. I don't have anything against new ideas, but abandoning the building blocks that made you successful isn't a good idea. In-state recruiting is crucial ask Ash or Delaney.

 

[rimrockgriz]

High line: 0 for 4691? The worst in the USA. I don't want to go "money ball" on you but that statistic
Is "mind boggling".

Meh... Not to me. I'm more concerned where Montana can get its best players, not where FBS programs choose to recruit. There were 6 Montana natives that were 1st team All-Conference last year, including the best Defensive player in the country. We devote about a quarter of our scholarships each year to Montana natives. I think that is a good number and it has paid us huge dividends on player that otherwise wouldn't have played for us. You think players like Biermann and Shillinger would have suited up for us if we abandoned recruiting in-state and didn't offer them scholarships? I encourage you to look at our past All-American, All-Conference, and Pro lists. These facts of information will reinforce the importance of in-state recruiting.

Again, this thread is about NDSU and their strategy for dominating the FCS. Football is a "Copy Cat" sport. Being All-Conference is great and winning the conference is great. Winning "back to back" championships and being the "Class" of the FCS by a long shot is another story. Programs that begin to duplicate NDSU's model will thrive IMO. Those programs That "cling" to past strategies without considering new ideas are going to stay stagnant.

This thread is about recruiting and your points have pointed to making strategic changes on where we focus our recruiting, which I disagree with. I believe the facts of where our best recent talent has come from and where we have the recognition and connections to recruit higher level players is stronger than statistics that show where FBS schools are recruiting. You can't expect to duplicate NDSU's recruiting strategy and expect a similar result. They are a completely different program with a completely different coaching staff with different recruiting connections. Montana's best recipe for success is being the best Montana it can be, not duplicating NDSU. If we abandoned the NW and CA and dove into NDSU's recruiting regions, that would be extremely risky. We just don't have the connections or name recognition in those areas that we do in the NW that allow us to land Tripps, Kidders, Holmes, and Johnsons. NDSU's overall talent really isn't much better than ours anyways. Program stability, great coaching, and player development is as instrumental to their success as recruiting is. I don't have anything against new ideas, but abandoning the building blocks that made you successful isn't a good idea. In-state recruiting is crucial ask Ash or Delaney.

outstanding post...+1 :egriz:

 

[CV Griz Fan]

High line: 0 for 4691? The worst in the USA. I don't want to go "money ball" on you but that statistic
Is "mind boggling".

Meh... Not to me. I'm more concerned where Montana can get its best players, not where FBS programs choose to recruit. There were 6 Montana natives that were 1st team All-Conference last year, including the best Defensive player in the country. We devote about a quarter of our scholarships each year to Montana natives. I think that is a good number and it has paid us huge dividends on player that otherwise wouldn't have played for us. You think players like Biermann and Shillinger would have suited up for us if we abandoned recruiting in-state and didn't offer them scholarships? I encourage you to look at our past All-American, All-Conference, and Pro lists. These facts of information will reinforce the importance of in-state recruiting.

Again, this thread is about NDSU and their strategy for dominating the FCS. Football is a "Copy Cat" sport. Being All-Conference is great and winning the conference is great. Winning "back to back" championships and being the "Class" of the FCS by a long shot is another story. Programs that begin to duplicate NDSU's model will thrive IMO. Those programs That "cling" to past strategies without considering new ideas are going to stay stagnant.

This thread is about recruiting and your points have pointed to making strategic changes on where we focus our recruiting, which I disagree with. I believe the facts of where our best recent talent has come from and where we have the recognition and connections to recruit higher level players is stronger than statistics that show where FBS schools are recruiting. You can't expect to duplicate NDSU's recruiting strategy and expect a similar result. They are a completely different program with a completely different coaching staff with different recruiting connections. Montana's best recipe for success is being the best Montana it can be, not duplicating NDSU. If we abandoned the NW and CA and dove into NDSU's recruiting regions, that would be extremely risky. We just don't have the connections or name recognition in those areas that we do in the NW that allow us to land Tripps, Kidders, Holmes, and Johnsons. NDSU's overall talent really isn't much better than ours anyways. Program stability, great coaching, and player development is as instrumental to their success as recruiting is. I don't have anything against new ideas, but abandoning the building blocks that made you successful isn't a good idea. In-state recruiting is crucial ask Ash or Delaney.

Highland:

The whole point of the thread is would the UM fan base support a dominate program even if it meant less Montana recruits. NDSU is now winning and dominating with less and less North Dakota recruits. They are expanding their recruiting base to keep them on top of the FCS. If that is a recipe for future FCS dominance, then maybe the Griz should do the same. It's a fair question. As NDSU continues to win big, they will continue to draw interest from better out of state recruits. The demographics of Montana and ND are comparable in terms of high school talent. Maybe a more "broad" recruiting strategy will work at UM too. By the way, I am not saying abandon the NW and California as recruiting areas. Quite the opposite, I am saying exploit those areas more. In fact, I think coach Green gets it. He is currently hitting the recruiting trail hard in San Diego County looking for upgraded talent.

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Highland:

The whole point of the thread is would the UM fan base support a dominate program even if it meant less Montana recruits. NDSU is now winning and dominating with less and less North Dakota recruits. They are expanding their recruiting base to keep them on top of the FCS. If that is a recipe for future FCS dominance, then maybe the Griz should do the same. It's a fair question. As NDSU continues to win big, they will continue to draw interest from better out of state recruits. The demographics of Montana and ND are comparable in terms of high school talent. Maybe a more "broad" recruiting strategy will work at UM too. By the way, I am not saying abandon the NW and California as recruiting areas. Quite the opposite, I am saying exploit those areas more. In fact, I think coach Green gets it. He is currently hitting the recruiting trail hard in San Diego County looking for upgraded talent.

I understand what the point of the thread is. Montana isn't recruiting based on region their recruiting based on available talent that they can sign. For example, they aren't going to pass on a more talented receiver from AZ for a MT receiver, because they feel that MT kid deserves a scholarship. The coaches have their prospects ranked and they work that accordingly. Right now, we devote about 30% of our scholarships to MT recruits, which I feel is about perfect (most of our MT recruits come in on partial scholarships). NDSU really hasn't expanded their recruiting base that much. They have always been lower on in-state kids and continue to mine MN, WI, and the midwest as they always have. Expanding into FA might be new, but that's a risk for them to go out and find more speed. MSU made that gamble with TX and it has paid off. We've been finding that in CA and the Seattle area. Again, you can't ignore where our best talent has come from and our in-state recruits have made up a high proportion of our decorated players. It's not about what the fan base will support with recruiting, it's about finding the best players we are able to sign that make our team better, many of those have been in MT. It's an unignorable fact.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Highland:

The whole point of the thread is would the UM fan base support a dominate program even if it meant less Montana recruits. NDSU is now winning and dominating with less and less North Dakota recruits. They are expanding their recruiting base to keep them on top of the FCS. If that is a recipe for future FCS dominance, then maybe the Griz should do the same. It's a fair question. As NDSU continues to win big, they will continue to draw interest from better out of state recruits. The demographics of Montana and ND are comparable in terms of high school talent. Maybe a more "broad" recruiting strategy will work at UM too. By the way, I am not saying abandon the NW and California as recruiting areas. Quite the opposite, I am saying exploit those areas more. In fact, I think coach Green gets it. He is currently hitting the recruiting trail hard in San Diego County looking for upgraded talent.

I understand what the point of the thread is. Montana isn't recruiting based on region their recruiting based on available talent that they can sign. For example, they aren't going to pass on a more talented receiver from AZ for a MT receiver, because they feel that MT kid deserves a scholarship. The coaches have their prospects ranked and they work that accordingly. Right now, we devote about 30% of our scholarships to MT recruits, which I feel is about perfect (most of our MT recruits come in on partial scholarships). NDSU really hasn't expanded their recruiting base that much. They have always been lower on in-state kids and continue to mine MN, WI, and the midwest as they always have. Expanding into FA might be new, but that's a risk for them to go out and find more speed. MSU made that gamble with TX and it has paid off. We've been finding that in CA and the Seattle area. Again, you can't ignore where our best talent has come from and our in-state recruits have made up a high proportion of our decorated players. It's not about what the fan base will support with recruiting, it's about finding the best players we are able to sign that make our team better, many of those have been in MT. It's an unignorable fact.

Fair enough with your point. I think Griz4life was pointing out that some UM fans wouldn't support a program with less and less Montana recruits, even if the out of state recruits were better prospects. Good dialog though. You made some good points.

 

[griz4life]

I'm not trying to slight Montana preps. I'm all for recruiting the best athletes. If they're from Montana, great. Go get 'em. If they're not from Montana, great. Go get 'em.
It's surprising that the No. Daks are recruiting so few in state players, particularly NDSU. North Dakota State fans are just as proud of their team as Montana fans. FCS football is the top level of football in the state. NDSU is the top dog. Bison fans travel well, etc., etc.
When it comes to staying top dog, NDSU isn't recruiting many in-state athletes. I can't imagine Griz fans' reaction to there being only a couple Montana kids in a recruiting class. Maybe NDSU's success minimizes those concerns for its fans.
Bisonnation is obviously paying attention to the number of No. Daks on his team, 21. However, he's incorrect about this thread being wrong. The thread is about who the No. Daks are recruiting now and they are not recruiting in-state kids very much at all. Attrition is a powerful force in college athletics. It's not going to take long to thin the in-state kids on North Dakota State's roster if it's only recruiting one or two.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I'm not trying to slight Montana preps. I'm all for recruiting the best athletes. If they're from Montana, great. Go get 'em. If they're not from Montana, great. Go get 'em.
It's surprising that the No. Daks are recruiting so few in state players, particularly NDSU. North Dakota State fans are just as proud of their team as Montana fans. FCS football is the top level of football in the state. NDSU is the top dog. Bison fans travel well, etc., etc.
When it comes to staying top dog, NDSU isn't recruiting many in-state athletes. I can't imagine Griz fans' reaction to there being only a couple Montana kids in a recruiting class. Maybe NDSU's success minimizes those concerns for its fans.
Bisonnation is obviously paying attention to the number of No. Daks on his team, 21. However, he's incorrect about this thread being wrong. The thread is about who the No. Daks are recruiting now and they are not recruiting in-state kids very much at all. Attrition is a powerful force in college athletics. It's not going to take long to thin the in-state kids on North Dakota State's roster if it's only recruiting one or two.

Griz4life:

I think that your post is one of the better posts of late. Especially given that it is the "off season" when many posts are less interesting. Your points are valid. Many posters on this board seem very protective of their Montana HS recruits. With good reason in many cases. But the fact is that Montana and North Dakota are not "hot beds" for football talent. It will be interesting to see how fans loyalties change in the coming years if more and more out of state players are recruited to play football at UM. I believe like you that winning fixes everything. If the Griz win championships but only have a handful of Montana recruits on the roster, this whole topic will be a "non-issue" IMO.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The whole point of the thread is would the UM fan base support a dominate program even if it meant less Montana recruits. NDSU is now winning and dominating with less and less North Dakota recruits. They are expanding their recruiting base to keep them on top of the FCS. If that is a recipe for future FCS dominance, then maybe the Griz should do the same. It's a fair question. As NDSU continues to win big, they will continue to draw interest from better out of state recruits. The demographics of Montana and ND are comparable in terms of high school talent. Maybe a more "broad" recruiting strategy will work at UM too. By the way, I am not saying abandon the NW and California as recruiting areas. Quite the opposite, I am saying exploit those areas more. In fact, I think coach Green gets it. He is currently hitting the recruiting trail hard in San Diego County looking for upgraded talent.

I would argue that they have done EXACTLY that. In recent years we're seeing offers to kids from states that we NEVER saw before...Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, to name a few. I'd say that's right in NDSU's breadbasket, figuratively speaking...

 

[grizindabox]

North Dakota recruits are not a big deal with me either...

 

[DuCharme]

Our high school talent is heads and shoulders above NoDak. I don't have any damn links. This is pure observation and opinion formed over the last 20-25 years.

 

[gah-riz]

Well looky there

Cats and Griz recruits fortify Badlands Bowl roster, but where's UND and NDSU?

The Badlands Bowl has for years been an all-star showcase for Montana and Montana State football recruits, as well as players on their way to suit up at North Dakota and North Dakota State.

Past games have featured Bobcats players like receiver Scott Turnquist of Billings Skyview, linebacker Bobby Daly of Helena Capital and defensive tackle Dan Ogden of Kalispell Flathead, and Grizzlies such as safety Vince Huntsberger of Libby, running back Lex Hilliard of Flathead and quarterback Andrew Selle of Billings West.

This year, the Montana all-stars will boast nine future Cats and Griz when the 20th Badlands Bowl kicks off June 15 in Miles City -- six are headed to MSU and three are going to UM.

Most the names are familiar. The six Bobcats consist of QB Quinn McQueary of Manhattan, RB Gunnar Brekke of Helena Capital, WR Jacob Stanton of Billings Central, OL Dylan Mahoney of Great Falls CMR, DL Devin Jeffries of Kalispell Glacier and RB Cody Vitt of Fairview (who will play DB in the game). The three Grizzlies are WR Austin Carver of Dillon, TE Josh Horner of Great Falls CMR and LB Tucker Schye of Malta. Griz recruit Nico Graham, a receiver from Missoula Big Sky, is listed as an alternate.

Again, the Montana roster is pretty heavy with Montana and Montana State recruits. But the same can't be said this year about the North Dakota all-stars, which will bring only three UND/NDSU recruits into the game.

Jeff Illies, a 6-foot-5, 205-pound receiver from Wyndmere, N.D., is headed off to play for the Bison, as is mammoth offensive lineman Jesse Kubik, a 6-7, 290 pounder out of Dickinson. But that's it. UND has but one recruit in the Badlands Bowl -- Dustin Iverson, a big-bodied wideout from Elgin.

Perhaps the overall point is that North Dakota and North Dakota State signed just four in-state football players combined this year. And one of them -- OL Dustin Adams from Minot -- is transferring to UND from Northern Illinois. This is typically not the case. And it wasn't like they were low on scholarships to give out; both signed 20-plus guys. Of UND's 22 recruits, the majority are from Illinois (9) and Wisconsin (4). At NDSU, home of the last two FCS national title trophies, the Bison grabbed the majority of their 21 kids from Wisconsin (6), Minnesota (3) and Florida (3).

Think about that. If those low home-state recruiting numbers ever happened here, it'd be totally unheard of -- and unacceptable to many boosters and fans.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/cats-and-griz-recruits-fortify-badlands-bowl-roster-but-where/article_3102a90a-c3c6-11e2-bde8-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[NorthwestFresh]

NDSU has 31 Minnesotans 21 IN STATE NODAKS...so...this thread is wrong http://www.gobison.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&SPID=695&SPSID=11845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nobody cares. The template is set, and I'll be the only one to recognize your factual post.

:clap:

 

[mark dyba]

Just a few words on the cost of out of state recruiting.
Sac State coaches have told me that it is way to expensive to recruit more than a very few out of state players.I sure that Montana and Montana state are having the same problem. If an out of state player costs twice as much as an in state kid, than he better pan out.
Mark