If it is Hauck....

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Bobby Hauck is a great coach for the Griz. You haters, please stop with bringing up the past and the hateful comments. Bobby knows what happened here before, I am sure he will do all in his power to see that it doesn't happen again. I know this is asking a lot for this site. Now, let the positive energy flow all the way to Frisco. For once I might get to use my hotel reservations down there.

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by that? Are you saying we should just forget the fact that he and his players weren't exactly saints off the field, especially when we're talking about bringing that back?

His players did no more off the field then any other coaches. If you believe they did, you're only kidding yourself. College athletes will be college athletes. Bobby's just got caught.

See, that's the problem. If you can get away with it quietly, that's fine. But players are public figures, and there's a higher standard that comes with representing the university and the privileges that come with it.

 

[Catsrgrood]

Being one year removed from a National Championship and the 2nd in 6 years is the definition of coming into a great situation, regardless if they lost 3 of the last 4 in 2002. Recruiting is going to be a little easier when a team has won it all as recently as that. Hauck obviously did a great job continuing to bring in the talent by making it to 3 more national championships over the next few years, but from my point of view, it seemed he kept things rolling more than building from the ground up. This time around he's working with a team that hasn't seen the post season in 2 years and hasn't won the big sky in 8 years. The difference in the situation the first time compared to this time is clear.


Fair point on your last point, I know he tends to troll more often than not. I cited him simply because he was one of the last people that commented on this thread at the time and I happened to agree with that point. Really I just didn't make my point very well, my point is that the common thought here seems to be that everyone expects him to be winning the big sky by year 2 at the latest. I think he's just as much of an "experiment" as any other new coach they could bring in. It's not a forgone conclusion he's going to excel again. Maybe he will, but we'll see.

Nope, most UM fans don't expect Hauck to be winning the conference by year 2. You need to listen to the people who know what they are talking about, not the others.

You are completely wrong that bringing back Hauck is any big experiment. It is not. He was successful here. He is a very experienced coach. He will keep multiple assistants and bring in others who are familiar with UM. He will know how to recruit MT and have people, including himself, with significant experience. He knows how to recruit the West, and has many more contacts than when he left. His holdovers already know the players and their strengths.

He also knows many in Griz Nation. He has many friends and supporters in Griz Nation. He is good friends with and has the current support of virtually all of the big financial supporters of UM.

Can you point out any situation in Division I football with all of these positives?

Sorry, but your "experiment" comment is just plain dumb.

Yes, nothing is a foregone conclusion, but his likelihood of success is very high.

Seems a little defensive...
Yes you pointed out some positives, although I’d say that just about every coaching change that happens anywhere, the new coach keeps some position coaches in place to have some kind of continuity and familiarity with the players that are there now. So I see that one as a moot point.

How clean is he going to keep the program this time? There were a lot of legal issues with players last time around. All his fault? Of course not, but something to watch, will he keep the players in line a little or will he bring in some of the same type guys he had last time that we’re causing some of the issues? This guy was damn near ran out of town last time around between the legal issues and not being to “win the big one”. But a handful of so-so seasons sure do change some perspective around here.

It’s for this reason and reasons I stated before (Big Sky has changed, he’s having to build from a mediocre team rather than taking over a team that is a year removed from a national championship, etc) that I say it is some kind of “experiment”. Maybe that’s not necessarily the right word for it, but the general idea I’ve stated is my opinion and your comments haven’t changed that.

But I guess since my opinion doesn’t fall in line with what you think, it’s dumb. That’s cool.

Almost everything you said is incorrect. Hauck, if he is hired, will keep way more holdovers than is usually done. Stitt kept 1 holdover. How many did Choate keep?

Hauck runs, or tries to run, a tight ship. He apparently didn't have any significant issues at UNLV. Is he the recruiting coordinator at SDS? He is certainly involved there. Any issues at SDS? Don't know what he needs to clean up at UM. Stitt's players had a number of issues, but those things happen, and Stitt was fine in that regard.

I don't agree that there were lots of legal issues, i.e. real ones, during the 7 years he was here. Sure, like at every school, there were some. I don't count things like Wilson (acquitted), claims never filed, and charges that were dropped or dropped to essentially nothing. House burglary, yes. Drunk frosh punching a kid. All of those players sent packing. What are all the legal issues of note that concerned you so much? Did the murder and guns in the athletic locker room stuff at MSU bother you at all?

3 transfers brought in by Hauck over 7 years had any significant legal problems at UM.

Hauck wasn't darn near run out of town last time. Not for legal issues. Not for losing in Chatty. Just didn't occur, and is not true. He moved on for a new challenge and more money.

The returning players are fine, and all or most of the holes will be filled. The talent level is now bad.

Yes, "experiment" is certainly the wrong word. I can't think of any situation ever where the return of a coach like Hauck in this situation would be less of an experiment. It's the opposite of an experiment.

Choate kept 2 that I know of for sure, I'd have to look back and see if there were more, and frankly I'm feeling too lazy to look that up right now. I know he kept Pitre (RB coach and one of the main recruiters) and Ioane.

I see you dropped the point about me saying that Hauck would be coming into a completely different situation than last time. That is the main point of my argument, no one has seen what he can do in this situation. He's not taking control of a program that is at an all time high this time. Maybe he will absolutely excel at it, maybe he'll crash and burn, that is the unknown.

On legal issues, I believe there was a pretty extensive write up in the paper outlining some of those that has been a big hit in Missoula today. No one is perfect and all programs have something, but to deny there was a recurring theme back then is a bit misguided. The fact that you said you don't count the issues that were either dropped or dropped to next to nothing is concerning. Do you really think that means they didn't happen?

Of course the issues at MSU concerned me, Kramer was the right guy at the right time to get the team back on the map, but he was not running a tight ship and the issues were too much, he had to go and he'll never be back. And if for some crazy reason that's ever a possibility, I wouldn't support it.

I think you could go back and take a look at egriz from a few years ago. Hauck was not exactly everybody's favorite by the end of his tenure. I'm aware he left on his own accord to try his hand at the next level, but that doesn't mean people didn't want him gone anyway.

Your maroon tinted glasses are a little too dark I think. You're not willing to look at anything from even a semi-unbiased view. Your man crush for Hauck is strong, I give you that.