Idaho statesman: ISU loses on crazy finish

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If a QB fu*ks up and continually makes bad plays and decisions.....calling him on it is NOT throwing a player under the bus. It's called coaching.

This ignorant notion on here where a "kids" (19-23) feeling might get hurt is bullsh*t. If they do that's on his parents for raising him to be a pussy.

It's the same thing with racism or trolling. If somebody disagrees with your point of view it envogue to throw one of those terms out there like a participation trophy.

Kramer has been the best coach in the BSC for the last 15 years and it's not even close. Plus he's a really good dude.

 

[PlayerRep]

“There’s a lot of things about this game that were positive for us,” Kramer said, “except the final outcome.”

Kramer, in retrospect, said he wished he never let the game’s results fall on the special teams unit. Kramer said the Bengals were too conservative on their last offensive possession, choosing to run the ball three times, rather than taking to the air and trying to score a touchdown. “I know we don’t win if we kick field goals. I know we don’t,” Kramer said. “So regardless of what the score is, you still have to keep striking for the end zone if you’re a passing team. And we went into four-wheel drive. And we shouldn’t have done that. So that’s my fault.”

“We rocked and fired it with about as much velocity as you can put on it,” Kramer said of the snap. “I’m surprised we don’t have a hole in the back side of the building.”

Kramer tells it like it is. A spade is a spade. He points out the good as well as the bad. Player error, he points it out. Kramer error, he admits it. Like his dry sense of humor. If he were a poster on eGriz, he wouldn't be in the maroon glasses/sugar coater crowd.

I feel Kramer would be a great and fun analyst, when and if he stops coaching.

But a horrible coach. As a player I'd hate playing for him.

AZ, Kramer is a good or very good coach. I know lots of guys who have played for him, and most love him and the rest like him. Most coaches like him, including Delaney and Hauck. In fact, they really like him. I assume Pflu does too, but don't know for sure. I think Mike Ferriter likes him and considers him to be a good coach. Kramer made some mistakes at MSU, but it was more what he tolerated off field than how he coached his team in football. ISU is not the worst in the conference this year. With their main QB, they'd be having a better season this year. Kramer is a good guy, and very entertaining. I think his interviews are all interesting and entertaining.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If a QB fu*ks up and continually makes bad plays and decisions.....calling him on it is NOT throwing a player under the bus. It's called coaching.

This ignorant notion on here where a "kids" (19-23) feeling might get hurt is bullsh*t. If they do that's on his parents for raising him to be a pussy.

It's the same thing with racism or trolling. If somebody disagrees with your point of view it envogue to throw one of those terms out there like a participation trophy.

Kramer has been the best coach in the BSC for the last 15 years and it's not even close. Plus he's a really good dude.

Sorry. I disagree. You praise in public. You "coach" in private. There's no reason to air dirty laundry If you can't figure out a way to talk about a TEAM'S shortcomings without calling out specific players then IMHO you're doing it wrong.

 

[PlayerRep]

If a QB fu*ks up and continually makes bad plays and decisions.....calling him on it is NOT throwing a player under the bus. It's called coaching.

This ignorant notion on here where a "kids" (19-23) feeling might get hurt is bullsh*t. If they do that's on his parents for raising him to be a pussy.

It's the same thing with racism or trolling. If somebody disagrees with your point of view it envogue to throw one of those terms out there like a participation trophy.

Kramer has been the best coach in the BSC for the last 15 years and it's not even close. Plus he's a really good dude.

Sorry. I disagree. You praise in public. You "coach" in private. There's no reason to air dirty laundry If you can't figure out a way to talk about a TEAM'S shortcomings without calling out specific players then IMHO you're doing it wrong.

I generally agree with you, but I doubt that Kramer's players, or many of them, get upset by his comments. I assume they know he's a straight shooter and they understand and respect that.

And, while Kramer is a good coach, in my view, he isn't close to being the best coach in the Big Sky in the last 15 years. Don't think anyone, including Kramer, would agree with that statement.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If a QB fu*ks up and continually makes bad plays and decisions.....calling him on it is NOT throwing a player under the bus. It's called coaching.

This ignorant notion on here where a "kids" (19-23) feeling might get hurt is bullsh*t. If they do that's on his parents for raising him to be a pussy.

It's the same thing with racism or trolling. If somebody disagrees with your point of view it envogue to throw one of those terms out there like a participation trophy.

Kramer has been the best coach in the BSC for the last 15 years and it's not even close. Plus he's a really good dude.

Sorry. I disagree. You praise in public. You "coach" in private. There's no reason to air dirty laundry If you can't figure out a way to talk about a TEAM'S shortcomings without calling out specific players then IMHO you're doing it wrong.

I generally agree with you, but I doubt that Kramer's players, or many of them, get upset by his comments. I assume they know he's a straight shooter and they understand and respect that.

And, while Kramer is a good coach, in my view, he isn't close to being the best coach in the Big Sky in the last 15 years. Don't think anyone, including Kramer, would agree with that statement.

Do you have any proof his players don't get upset? I would argue that he's completely lost that locker room and a season that was supposed to be the crowning achievement in his rebuilding program has completely disintegrated before our eyes. The fact they "almost" beat the Griz Saturday doesn't change the fact they're 2-7. Yeah, they might be having a better season with their #1 QB. Then again, WE might be having a better season if we had our #1 QB. Doesn't change the fact I think he's an arrogant ass (at least that's the way he comes across in the interviews) that routinely bus rolls his players when, as the LEADER of that team, HE should be the one taking the blame. But it never comes across that way....

I DO agree though, that he's not been the best coach. Not by a long shot.

 

[EverettGriz]

I love Krames. But last year's relative success at isu had more to do with a weak schedule and an extremely talented QB than it did anything else.

 

[George Ferguson]

Alpha, I'm in full agreement with you that Mike Kramer is a good football coach. He's also a really good guy. But, he keeps winning? They've won two games this year! And no, injuries didn't decimate their roster anymore than injuries decimated the Griz' roster. The Bengals have the best running back in the conference, yes Finney is better all-around than John Santiago, and they have probably the second best WR in Madison Mangum. And at QB, they lost a guy who hadn't proven anything yet in the Big Sky. I keep harping on this but it's true, while everyone else was calling ISU the team to beat in the Big Sky back in the spring, I picked them to finish seventh. Why? Three reasons. 1. No Justin Arias. 2. An horribly bad defense. And C. At the first sign of adversity, Kramer's players quit on him, or at least many do. He is a true yeller, screamer and hard-ass in practice and and he really doesn't give a f--k what his players think about him. And he's right, he's not there to be their friend. But, he also has a bunch of players who will only handle that type of coaching if they are winning. And I'm sorry, but ISU ain't winning much.

 

[PlayerRep]

If a QB fu*ks up and continually makes bad plays and decisions.....calling him on it is NOT throwing a player under the bus. It's called coaching.

This ignorant notion on here where a "kids" (19-23) feeling might get hurt is bullsh*t. If they do that's on his parents for raising him to be a pussy.

It's the same thing with racism or trolling. If somebody disagrees with your point of view it envogue to throw one of those terms out there like a participation trophy.

Kramer has been the best coach in the BSC for the last 15 years and it's not even close. Plus he's a really good dude.

Sorry. I disagree. You praise in public. You "coach" in private. There's no reason to air dirty laundry If you can't figure out a way to talk about a TEAM'S shortcomings without calling out specific players then IMHO you're doing it wrong.

I generally agree with you, but I doubt that Kramer's players, or many of them, get upset by his comments. I assume they know he's a straight shooter and they understand and respect that.

And, while Kramer is a good coach, in my view, he isn't close to being the best coach in the Big Sky in the last 15 years. Don't think anyone, including Kramer, would agree with that statement.

Do you have any proof his players don't get upset? I would argue that he's completely lost that locker room and a season that was supposed to be the crowning achievement in his rebuilding program has completely disintegrated before our eyes. The fact they "almost" beat the Griz Saturday doesn't change the fact they're 2-7. Yeah, they might be having a better season with their #1 QB. Then again, WE might be having a better season if we had our #1 QB. Doesn't change the fact I think he's an arrogant ass (at least that's the way he comes across in the interviews) that routinely bus rolls his players when, as the LEADER of that team, HE should be the one taking the blame. But it never comes across that way....

I DO agree though, that he's not been the best coach. Not by a long shot.

No proof, but I am friends with people who have been his asst coaches. Do you have any proof that his players generally get upset with him?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sorry. I disagree. You praise in public. You "coach" in private. There's no reason to air dirty laundry If you can't figure out a way to talk about a TEAM'S shortcomings without calling out specific players then IMHO you're doing it wrong.

I generally agree with you, but I doubt that Kramer's players, or many of them, get upset by his comments. I assume they know he's a straight shooter and they understand and respect that.

And, while Kramer is a good coach, in my view, he isn't close to being the best coach in the Big Sky in the last 15 years. Don't think anyone, including Kramer, would agree with that statement.

Do you have any proof his players don't get upset? I would argue that he's completely lost that locker room and a season that was supposed to be the crowning achievement in his rebuilding program has completely disintegrated before our eyes. The fact they "almost" beat the Griz Saturday doesn't change the fact they're 2-7. Yeah, they might be having a better season with their #1 QB. Then again, WE might be having a better season if we had our #1 QB. Doesn't change the fact I think he's an arrogant ass (at least that's the way he comes across in the interviews) that routinely bus rolls his players when, as the LEADER of that team, HE should be the one taking the blame. But it never comes across that way....

I DO agree though, that he's not been the best coach. Not by a long shot.

No proof, but I am friends with people who have been his asst coaches. Do you have any proof that his players generally get upset with him?

None other than a team that's 2-7 after lofty expectations were placed on them preseason and a coach whose public persona is "less than player-friendly".

 

[PlayerRep]

I generally agree with you, but I doubt that Kramer's players, or many of them, get upset by his comments. I assume they know he's a straight shooter and they understand and respect that.

And, while Kramer is a good coach, in my view, he isn't close to being the best coach in the Big Sky in the last 15 years. Don't think anyone, including Kramer, would agree with that statement.

Do you have any proof his players don't get upset? I would argue that he's completely lost that locker room and a season that was supposed to be the crowning achievement in his rebuilding program has completely disintegrated before our eyes. The fact they "almost" beat the Griz Saturday doesn't change the fact they're 2-7. Yeah, they might be having a better season with their #1 QB. Then again, WE might be having a better season if we had our #1 QB. Doesn't change the fact I think he's an arrogant ass (at least that's the way he comes across in the interviews) that routinely bus rolls his players when, as the LEADER of that team, HE should be the one taking the blame. But it never comes across that way....

I DO agree though, that he's not been the best coach. Not by a long shot.

No proof, but I am friends with people who have been his asst coaches. Do you have any proof that his players generally get upset with him?

None other than a team that's 2-7 after lofty expectations were placed on them preseason and a coach whose public persona is "less than player-friendly".

Do you have any basis for this statement, other than it's your view and observation?

"whose public person is less than player-friendly"

 

[AZGrizFan]

Do you have any proof his players don't get upset? I would argue that he's completely lost that locker room and a season that was supposed to be the crowning achievement in his rebuilding program has completely disintegrated before our eyes. The fact they "almost" beat the Griz Saturday doesn't change the fact they're 2-7. Yeah, they might be having a better season with their #1 QB. Then again, WE might be having a better season if we had our #1 QB. Doesn't change the fact I think he's an arrogant ass (at least that's the way he comes across in the interviews) that routinely bus rolls his players when, as the LEADER of that team, HE should be the one taking the blame. But it never comes across that way....

I DO agree though, that he's not been the best coach. Not by a long shot.

No proof, but I am friends with people who have been his asst coaches. Do you have any proof that his players generally get upset with him?

None other than a team that's 2-7 after lofty expectations were placed on them preseason and a coach whose public persona is "less than player-friendly".

Do you have any basis for this statement, other than it's your view and observation?

"whose public person is less than player-friendly"

As I said in my earlier post, it's the way he comes across in interviews--that's the only perception I have of him, having never met the man personally.

 

[PlayerRep]

No proof, but I am friends with people who have been his asst coaches. Do you have any proof that his players generally get upset with him?

None other than a team that's 2-7 after lofty expectations were placed on them preseason and a coach whose public persona is "less than player-friendly".

Do you have any basis for this statement, other than it's your view and observation?

"whose public person is less than player-friendly"

As I said in my earlier post, it's the way he comes across in interviews--that's the only perception I have of him, having never met the man personally.

Got it. I've only met him a few times and he's been very nice. I don't know a single person who doesn't like him. I know probably know 50 people who know him. Some of my favorite stories. Hauck once walked into his office, only to find Kramer in the office, looking at plays on the whiteboard. Kramer said hi, and then starting asking questions about the diagrams. I'm pretty sure Bobby invited Kramer to be on the Griz sideline while Kramer was out of work. Think I told this one before, but will repeat. My family saw Kramer having dinner at Big Sky. My 8 or so year old son was interested in talking to Kramer. I told my son to walk to Kramer's table, and wait till Kramer looked at him, which Kramer did. In fact, he got up, shook my son's hand, and eventually took him to an empty table to talk. When my son returned after talking to Kramer for almost 10 minutes, my son told us that Kramer said he was going to mail him a scholarship next week. Recall when Kramer was quoted, in an article late this summer about Stitt, saying that he talked to his former coach Mike Ferriter frequently--and said Stitt's offense was similar to his? I later asked Ferriter about this, and he said he had talked to Kramer once since leaving ISU. Said Kramer was just trying to get into his head.

 

[ilovethecats]

None other than a team that's 2-7 after lofty expectations were placed on them preseason and a coach whose public persona is "less than player-friendly".

Do you have any basis for this statement, other than it's your view and observation?

"whose public person is less than player-friendly"

As I said in my earlier post, it's the way he comes across in interviews--that's the only perception I have of him, having never met the man personally.

Got it. I've only met him a few times and he's been very nice. I don't know a single person who doesn't like him. I know probably know 50 people who know him. Some of my favorite stories. Hauck once walked into his office, only to find Kramer in the office, looking at plays on the whiteboard. Kramer said hi, and then starting asking questions about the diagrams. I'm pretty sure Bobby invited Kramer to be on the Griz sideline while Kramer was out of work. Think I told this one before, but will repeat. My family saw Kramer having dinner at Big Sky. My 8 or so year old son was interested in talking to Kramer. I told my son to walk to Kramer's table, and wait till Kramer looked at him, which Kramer did. In fact, he got up, shook my son's hand, and eventually took him to an empty table to talk. When my son returned after talking to Kramer for almost 10 minutes, my son told us that Kramer said he was going to mail him a scholarship next week. Recall when Kramer was quoted, in an article late this summer about Stitt, saying that he talked to his former coach Mike Ferriter frequently--and said Stitt's offense was similar to his? I later asked Ferriter about this, and he said he had talked to Kramer once since leaving ISU. Said Kramer was just trying to get into his head.

cool story PR.

what i have learned over the years is the people who say they don't like kramer are the people who have never met him. i know many people who coached for him and played for him and the good things they say far outweigh the bad. he's a hardass, but his players know he'll have their back. he calls it like he sees it and if that means criticizing than so be it.

i'd go a step farther and say if he has guys in his locker room that can't handle criticism, getting yelled at, etc...he's better off without them. but this idea that he's lost his locker room because they have a crappy record seems to be bs based on everything i know.

obviously it's possible all his players hate him and he lost the locker room. but based on what i have heard in the past, as well as by a CURRENT staff member...this would be very surprising to me.

i'd take him back in bozeman tomorrow if it was possible.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not arguing the point about whether he's a "good guy" or a funny guy, or polite to fans, or fun to party with. I'm also not suggesting his players shouldn't be able to handle criticism or getting yelled at. I guess I just completely disagree with his "motivational" approach and the fact he routinely dishes out that criticism in front of a microphone--many times in an effort of trying to be "funny". And instead it comes off as being an arrogant ass. And since that's all I have to judge the man by, I'll keep my opinion and y'all can keep yours.

But, given the dumpster fire Moo U has turned into, I don't doubt there's a large contingent of cant fans who feel the same way you do.

 

[ronangrizfan]

9 out of their 11 lives? And you are so liberal, hillary stank oozes out your orifices. Best Buy is still open and your break is over..

Yeah winning sucks.

I love how Kramer knows FGs are for losers. He has that team on the cusp of an NDSU like run

He's been on this "cusp" for how long? Go back to Butte's Best Buy and keep selling VCR's...you're very good at it, I'm told.

Butte doesn't have a Best Buy (liberal union thing) I don't sell VCRs....can you even but them anymore it is a digital world.

Other than your post being 100% wrong you are definitely smart enough to post on this site. Hell your probably related to most of em!