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Horrendous d-holding call allows BYU to come back to beat Utah at end of game

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mthoopsfan

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This is an unbelievably horrible call anytime, let alone at the end of a game. See video down a bit in this newspaper link. The Utah AD came to the post-game podium and said what he thought. Good for him.

On the play, the BYU qb was sacked on 4th down at his own one-yard line.

www.sltrib.com

The Utes' AD says the BYU game was ‘stolen’ from them. Here’s a look at the controversial penalty.

Utah AD Mark Harlan says BYU game ‘stolen’ from the #Utes. Here’s a look from all the angles we have:
www.sltrib.com www.sltrib.com
 
mthoopsfan said:
This is an unbelievably horrible call anytime, let alone at the end of a game. See video down a bit in this newspaper link. The Utah AD came to the post-game podium and said what he thought. Good for him.

On the play, the BYU qb was sacked on 4th down at his own one-yard line.

www.sltrib.com

The Utes' AD says the BYU game was ‘stolen’ from them. Here’s a look at the controversial penalty.

Utah AD Mark Harlan says BYU game ‘stolen’ from the #Utes. Here’s a look from all the angles we have:
www.sltrib.com www.sltrib.com
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It was a great call.
 
mthoopsfan said:
The ref who make the call should be suspended, and fined.
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Former NFL referee and current NBC rules analyst Terry McAulay called the play an "obvious foul." McAulay spent 20 years in the NFL as an official. After his refereeing career, he transitioned into broadcasting with NBC Sports. He serves as the NBC rules analyst for Sunday Night Football, Notre Dame football games, and in other smaller capacities like Big Ten Saturday Night. McAulay said, "It’s a foul. It’s always been a foul and it will always be a foul regardless of game, time, score, or situation."
 
mthoopsfan said:
This is an unbelievably horrible call anytime, let alone at the end of a game. See video down a bit in this newspaper link. The Utah AD came to the post-game podium and said what he thought. Good for him.

On the play, the BYU qb was sacked on 4th down at his own one-yard line.

www.sltrib.com

The Utes' AD says the BYU game was ‘stolen’ from them. Here’s a look at the controversial penalty.

Utah AD Mark Harlan says BYU game ‘stolen’ from the #Utes. Here’s a look from all the angles we have:
www.sltrib.com www.sltrib.com
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Why do refs want to blow a season by not listening to fans (and coaches)?

Do fans really think they know how to officiate better than actual professional officials?
 
HikeGlacier said:
Former NFL referee and current NBC rules analyst Terry McAulay called the play an "obvious foul." McAulay spent 20 years in the NFL as an official. After his refereeing career, he transitioned into broadcasting with NBC Sports. He serves as the NBC rules analyst for Sunday Night Football, Notre Dame football games, and in other smaller capacities like Big Ten Saturday Night. McAulay said, "It’s a foul. It’s always been a foul and it will always be a foul regardless of game, time, score, or situation."
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He's wrong. That's not defensive holding. He obviously never played the game. He's just sticking up for bad officiating.
 
wbtfg said:
Why do refs want to blow a season by not listening to fans (and coaches)?

Do fans really think they know how to officiate better than actual professional officials?
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Fans who watch games and watch tape can see the mistakes officials. Officials make mistakes all the time.
 
Of course they do. They also know how to coach better than professional coaches —you know that, right?😀
 
What would I know about it? I never played the game. Has hoops ever played the...oh, that's right, he played CB for Dartmouth. I guess he might just know more about the call than your average fan. But, go ahead, argue Politics with a Politician, Medicine with a Doctor, or Law Enforcement with a Cop. What the hell do they know?🤣
 
This level of contact happens thousands of times every weekend in college football, and nothing is called. Look at the tape.
 
PTGrizzly said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1855560926491250931

Here you can see the DB pulling on the jersey.

It’s a little soft, but by the rules, definitely a penalty.
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That's not a penalty. It happens thousands of times every weekend. Stupid call. The people on the internet, including some of the refs, don't know what they are talking about. There is supposed to be contact within the first 5 yards. There is some type of slight holding/grabbing of jerseys on thousands of plays. In the NFL, there is more "holding" and grabbing of jerseys on most plays by corners covering receivers going deep. There was no impeding of the receiver from running his route or getting open. Plus, the qb wasn't even throwing. Corners are supposed to use their hands to jam/push/touch receivers off the line, and little grabs of jerseys occurs all the time. Any grab on this play was barely a split second.

I don't agree that the rules definitely make that a penalty.

Here's a blurb on offensive holding by linemen. Do you think every "hold" or grab of a jersey by an o-lineman or blocking receiver is called? Of course, not. Different rule, but still similar in how it is and should be called. "
Offensive holding occurs when an offensive player, usually a lineman, illegally grabs, pulls, or holds a defender to prevent them from reaching the ball carrier or quarterback. According to the rules, offensive players are allowed to block defenders by using their hands or bodies, but they cannot grasp a defender’s jersey, arms, or body in a way that restricts their movement."


Here's a blue: "When it's called: This penalty is usually called when a defender grabs the jersey and pulls the receiver, impacting their ability to run a route or make a play on the ball."
That receiver was not impacted in his ability to run his route or make a play on the balls. Jamming a receiver at the line impedes the receiver a lot more than what occurred on that Utah/BYU play.
 
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mthoopsfan said:
That's not a penalty. It happens thousands of times every weekend. Stupid call. The people on the internet, including some of the refs, don't know what they are talking about. There is supposed to be contact within the first 5 yards. There is some type of slight holding/grabbing of jerseys on thousands of plays. In the NFL, there is more "holding" and grabbing of jerseys on most plays by corners covering receivers going deep. There was no impeding of the receiver from running his route or getting open. Plus, the qb wasn't even throwing. Corners are supposed to use their hands to jam/push/touch receivers off the line, and little grabs of jerseys occurs all the time. Any grab on this play was barely a split second.

I don't agree that the rules definitely make that a penalty.

Here's a blurb on offensive holding by linemen. Do you think every "hold" or grab of a jersey by an o-lineman or blocking receiver is called? Of course, not. Different rule, but still similar in how it is and should be called. "
Offensive holding occurs when an offensive player, usually a lineman, illegally grabs, pulls, or holds a defender to prevent them from reaching the ball carrier or quarterback. According to the rules, offensive players are allowed to block defenders by using their hands or bodies, but they cannot grasp a defender’s jersey, arms, or body in a way that restricts their movement."


Here's a blue: "When it's called: This penalty is usually called when a defender grabs the jersey and pulls the receiver, impacting their ability to run a route or make a play on the ball."
That receiver was not impacted in his ability to run his route or make a play on the balls. Jamming a receiver at the line impedes the receiver a lot more than what occurred on that Utah/BYU play.
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College and NFL rules are different on this play, i.e,
NFL allows contact by defensive player within 5 yards of scrimmage line.
College rules allow contact any place on the field before the ball is thrown.
Referee should be fired
 
mthoopsfan said:
That's not a penalty. It happens thousands of times every weekend. Stupid call. The people on the internet, including some of the refs, don't know what they are talking about. There is supposed to be contact within the first 5 yards. There is some type of slight holding/grabbing of jerseys on thousands of plays. In the NFL, there is more "holding" and grabbing of jerseys on most plays by corners covering receivers going deep. There was no impeding of the receiver from running his route or getting open. Plus, the qb wasn't even throwing. Corners are supposed to use their hands to jam/push/touch receivers off the line, and little grabs of jerseys occurs all the time. Any grab on this play was barely a split second.

I don't agree that the rules definitely make that a penalty.

Here's a blurb on offensive holding by linemen. Do you think every "hold" or grab of a jersey by an o-lineman or blocking receiver is called? Of course, not. Different rule, but still similar in how it is and should be called. "
Offensive holding occurs when an offensive player, usually a lineman, illegally grabs, pulls, or holds a defender to prevent them from reaching the ball carrier or quarterback. According to the rules, offensive players are allowed to block defenders by using their hands or bodies, but they cannot grasp a defender’s jersey, arms, or body in a way that restricts their movement."


Here's a blue: "When it's called: This penalty is usually called when a defender grabs the jersey and pulls the receiver, impacting their ability to run a route or make a play on the ball."
That receiver was not impacted in his ability to run his route or make a play on the balls. Jamming a receiver at the line impedes the receiver a lot more than what occurred on that Utah/BYU play.
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Actually, It was a penalty. The ref called it. How undisciplined are you as a player to hold in that situation, or worse yet, what a horrible defensive call to place your player in press coverage?
 
HikeGlacier said:
Actually, It was a penalty. The ref called it. How undisciplined are you as a player to hold in that situation, or worse yet, what a horrible defensive call to place your player in press coverage?
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No, it shouldn't have been a penalty. You never played the game. You don't know how corner defense is played. You must not even watch football games.

The coverage call and coverage was very good. Virtually all corners in college and NFL grab jerseys a bit on occasion. In a situation like this, it's virtually never called.

I don't think I've ever noticed anyone on egriz that knows less about football than you and money.
 
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