High School football 10/5

[uofmman1122]

Is Sentinel just never good, well any of the Missoula HS teams, or is it because there are too many in town vying for athletes?

Too many high schools. Too few athletes. Little Grizzly (on its way out). Too much soccer. Too many other things to do. Grizzly Football.

You name it. High school sports in Missoula are not very strong.

I hear the new youth football program in Missoula is great, due to the fact they are using the offensive and defensive schemes of the high schools in their district. I have heard bad things about Little Grizzly in recent years.

I played a year of Little Griz before moving to Billings when I was young, and you can't even compare the two (at least when I played). And then the jump to the middle school leagues for 8th grade was also very different from the experience most of my old Missoula friends had.

Kind of no surprise Hellgate, Big Sky and Sentinel were the three worst football teams when I went to West.

(For the record, I never played high school football. I was one of those faggy golf kids. :lol: :mrgreen: )

 

[grizfnz]

Is Sentinel just never good, well any of the Missoula HS teams, or is it because there are too many in town vying for athletes?

Too many high schools. Too few athletes. Little Grizzly (on its way out). Too much soccer. Too many other things to do. Grizzly Football.

You name it. High school sports in Missoula are not very strong.

I hear the new youth football program in Missoula is great, due to the fact they are using the offensive and defensive schemes of the high schools in their district. I have heard bad things about Little Grizzly in recent years.

I played a year of Little Griz before moving to Billings when I was young, and you can't even compare the two (at least when I played). And then the jump to the middle school leagues for 8th grade was also very different from the experience most of my old Missoula friends had.

Kind of no surprise Hellgate, Big Sky and Sentinel were the three worst football teams when I went to West.

(For the record, I never played high school football. I was one of those faggy golf kids. :lol: :mrgreen: )

I bet when you're 70 years old you'll still be able to play that "faggy game", unlike football


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[dupuyer griz]

Is Sentinel just never good, well any of the Missoula HS teams, or is it because there are too many in town vying for athletes?

Too many high schools. Too few athletes. Little Grizzly (on its way out). Too much soccer. Too many other things to do. Grizzly Football.

You name it. High school sports in Missoula are not very strong.

I don't know if I buy the "too many schools" thought. The schools are on par with the sizes of the student bodies from the other AA high schools around the state, meaning they should have just as many athletes to draw from. Many other towns (like Kalispell, Helena, Great Falls, Billings) have multiple schools and seem to compete for the most part. IMO, it's all about the upraising (parents teaching good work ethics and values), community (support and pride), and school administration (recognition and support from school and the quality of the coaches).

Doesn't Missoula let the student choose what school to go to? If so, maybe they should switch to zone districts.

Then they could have regions of the community backing each school like north Missoula supporting Big Sky, south Missoula supporting Sentinel, and east Missoula supporting Helgate/Loyola. This would probably help the booster clubs with fundraisers, etc.

Not quite correct on the enrollment issues. All 3 Missoula schools have right around 1000 regular students (non-Title 1, alternative school, etc.). I think Big Sky and Sentinel are actually below that. The closest other schools for enrollment are Butte and Helena. I do agree with the rest of your first paragraph.

They do let kids go wherever the hell they want to go. That is another huge problem. I agree with your suggestion but it is only going to get worse. They are talking about going making changes to the high schools that will make a particular school emphasis on certain areas of study (Academies). Under this concept, kids will "choose" a school based on what they want to do later.

Unfortunately, I don't see the situation improving any time in the near future. There are some very good athletes in Missoula. Just tough for enough of them to be at one school, in the same sport to get much done.

I really like the fact that Missoula might be going to magnet style schooling. There is no good reason for all of the schools to be bad. I live close to Great Falls and it doesn't seem to matter on the sport, 1 or the other is great. If there are so many athletes in Missoula, one of the schools should be good at something. I would have to agree when people say its the parents/community mindset. Which is surprising considering that the community will lose it's shit frequently when the Griz lose but want their kids to play soccer in a league that doesn't keep score so they all get trophies. Guess what, I wasn't the best at every sport and losing should be one of the hardest things you have to deal with. I turned out fine. We are giving kids 0 adversity and 0 ability to deal with conflict. We're raising a nation of pussies who won't compete for anything...sports, jobs, family.

 

[grizd]

YMCA soccer has been the death of competitive sports in Missoula.
You don't keep score, everyone plays equall amount of time regardless of ability, you get a trophy just for showing up, and since no one ever wins there is never a championship or any other competitive goal to play for.

Then why hasn't it ruined sports in Helena, Billings, Great Falls, etc.?

 

[wbtfg]

^this.

Helena has a huge YMCA soccer program, and last I checked Capital and Helena high play some pretty good football.

 

[kemajic]

Also, check out Baker's new field. Pretty sweet. Nice to be a town with money to burn.

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/high-school/football/new-baker-field-to-host-first-homecoming/article_88ecc717-a711-5b4a-934e-5bc7ca7dc90a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Money to burn may be hyperbole. Seats 600-750; the stadium redo in Columbus seats 1500; no money to burn there, either. Bainville may have money to burn....

 

[kemajic]

(For the record, I never played high school football. I was one of those faggy golf kids. :lol: :mrgreen: )

I bet when you're 70 years old you'll still be able to play that "faggy game", unlike football

Good point; golf can be played after the football years are over. I bet the years of football created more assist to growing up than a lifetime of golf. From one who has done both...

 

[kemajic]

Is Sentinel just never good, well any of the Missoula HS teams, or is it because there are too many in town vying for athletes?

Too many high schools. Too few athletes. Little Grizzly (on its way out). Too much soccer. Too many other things to do. Grizzly Football.

You name it. High school sports in Missoula are not very strong.

Too many parents from the wine and cheese crowd; kumbaya...

 

[PlayerRep]

AA enrollment for the '11/'12 school year:

Class AA — Billings West 1,958;
Bozeman 1,844;
Billings Senior 1,665;
Helena High 1,603;
Great Falls High 1,573;
Billings Skyview 1,543;
Great Falls C.M. Russell 1,515;
Kalispell Flathead 1,483;
Helena Capital 1,373;
Butte High 1,300;
Missoula Hellgate 1,293;
Kalispell Glacier 1,268;
Missoula Sentinel 1,208;
Missoula Big Sky 1,054.

I believe Sentinel has the bulk of the special needs kids, about 200 of the 1200.

 

[garizzalies]

Our two best defenders are from MSLA: Tripp and Wags. How can that be?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Technically Wags is from Lolo

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[BelierPeaux]

Also, check out Baker's new field. Pretty sweet. Nice to be a town with money to burn.

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/high-school/football/new-baker-field-to-host-first-homecoming/article_88ecc717-a711-5b4a-934e-5bc7ca7dc90a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Money to burn may be hyperbole. Seats 600-750; the stadium redo in Columbus seats 1500; no money to burn there, either. Bainville may have money to burn....

Maybe, I know Baker had to limit the money in their general fund here a little while back:

http://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...cle_f6075c1a-c935-5e85-babb-168058f2a115.html

Baker Public Schools and its 400 students, a two-hour drive south of Sidney, has the largest reserve of oil-and-gas revenue currently of any district in the state, with $43.5 million. By contrast, Billings School District 2, with nearly 16,000 students, maintains a $5 million reserve.
Looking at figures like those, state legislators this year responded.
The state Legislature voted to limit oil-and-gas revenue to no more than 130 percent of a school district’s annual general fund budget. Of the revenues already built up, school districts can only keep an amount equivalent to 300 percent of their general fund budget.
Oil and gas revenues exceeding those levels now will go to the state.
For Baker, with a general fund budget of $3.5 million, it would mean that the district could hold only $4.55 million in reserve. Of the $43.5 million it has now, it only could keep $10.5 million.
All of this takes effect July 1, but don’t be surprised if something still changes, said Madalyn Quinlan, chief of staff at the Montana Office of Public Instruction.

10.5 Million ain't too bad for a class B school. Either way, they have more money than quite a few schools.

 

[Brock Landers]

I believe Sentinel has the bulk of the special needs kids, about 200 of the 1200.

Correct, and I'm actually pretty suprised at that enrollment size. Sentinel was quite a bit smaller as recently as 10 years ago :?