Hauck back to Montana?

[George Ferguson]

Following the misrepresentation of Stitt's Montana record to better fit your narrative, there is so much BS in this post it is difficult to determine where to start. Some points you miss or choose to ignore:

1. BSU, ISU and MSU won NCs in the 80s.
2. Read's '89 Montana team's Semi loss to GA. So. preceded Nevada's loss to GA So. in the '90 NC. It was Read's first of 5 playoff appearances.
3. Nevada won 4 BSC championships with 7 playoff appearances and the above NC appearance.
4. In addition to the NC, ISU won 3 BSC championships with 2 playoff appearances.
5. Idaho won 9 BSC championships with 11 playoff appearances, including 10 of 11 seasons from '85-'95.
6. BSU. "Bottom half"? In addition to their NC, they lost the '94 NC game to YSU after YSU eliminated the Dave Dickensonless Griz. 6 BSC championships. They were 219-102 overall as BSC members with a 114-61 conference record.

The BSC was at its peak during the Read era. Top to bottom it does not come close today.

So, it sounds like you're talking about the overall programs, not what Read had to deal with when he was starting (i.e., his first few years), from '86-'89. I thought I had been pretty clear about what time frame I was talking about, but all right. It only makes sense to compare Read's first 4 years to Stitt's 2 years. These were the factors Read dealt with before Montana was an elite contender every year.

1. Boise State won in 1980, Idaho State won in 81. MSU won in 84. All of which were before Read, and long enough for them to be mediocre when he got there.
2. I'm a little confused as to how this relates.
3. From '86-'89, Nevada won the conference one time, '86, when they also one the natty. However they did not make the playoffs or finish ranked again until 1990.
4. ISU was good before Read got there. From '86-'89, Idaho State finished last, 6th, last and 8th, compiling a whopping 8-34 record. Oh yeah. They were so good.
5. I'll give you Idaho. They were pretty good. Still doesn't quite explain how NO Big Sky team finished ranked in 1987 though.
6. Boise State didn't have the run you think they were having when Read started in Missoula. They finished 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 4th again from '86-'89. They made the playoffs once and only finished ranked once (same year, '88). I'll admit I'm wrong on the "bottom half" argument there, but they werent that good.

The Big Sky was fantastic once Read made Montana good and before Idaho left, which was the early 90s. But the late 80s were rough for the majority of the conference.

Read had Montana good by '89; made it to the semis stopped only by GSU. Nevada played for the NC in '90 and BSU in '94, both during the Read era. Montana, BSU, Idaho and Nevada were so competitive, they kept beating each other up, sometimes in the playoffs. These four teams topped the BSC three years in a row ('88-'90). Nevada was 15-1 in the BSC in '90 and '91 (25-3 overall with a #1 ranking). EWU was not the pushover you suggest; they were good '91-'93, tying for the conf. in '92. There is nothing like that consistent competition in today's watered-down BSC.

Can't argue with any of that. The Big Sky was a lot of fun and very tough back in those days. I fully agree that the current Big Sky is nothing like it was in those days, except I agree with others that the level of athlete, not necessarily football player, but athlete, is much, much better today.

I just don't understand why some Griz fans can't let it go. It was sooooooo long ago, and living in the past seems silly. I was a student at UM from 1993-1997. They were some great times to be a fan of Montana Grizzly football. Some of the best times of my life. But, I also have absolutely no trouble coping with the fact that THAT Big Sky Conference, Don Read, rosters with 60-plus Montana-born players, none of it is ever, ever, ever coming back.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The thing I keep coming back to is that the Griz that finished 2016 wasn't nearly as good as the Griz that started 2015. There doesn't seem to be any 'get a little better every day'. I have no idea as to what's wrong, but something is.

For the record, I'd say I'm a Stitt supporter, I cheered his hire and wish him nothing but success. But it's put up or shut up time. That's the nature of the beast.

Agreed. I'm a Stitt supporter as well, but it's time to make hay while the sun shines. His recruits are JR's or RS Sophomores....there are VERY few Delaney recruits left (except inexplicably on the O-line....lol)...

 

[signedbewildered]

No way this goes 20 pages......

One "more" "post" by 75 and it's "there".

FIFY, bewildered.

HA!

 

[jodcon]

The thing I keep coming back to is that the Griz that finished 2016 wasn't nearly as good as the Griz that started 2015. There doesn't seem to be any 'get a little better every day'. I have no idea as to what's wrong, but something is.

For the record, I'd say I'm a Stitt supporter, I cheered his hire and wish him nothing but success. But it's put up or shut up time. That's the nature of the beast.

...there are VERY few Delaney recruits left (except inexplicably on the O-line....lol)...

Yeah that figures.

 

[Silvertip]

Neither Bobby Hauck nor any other candidate, real or imaginary, is going to deliver Griz football to anything approximating its former glory. The combination of a systemically damaged university and a collegiate athletic universe that doesn't wait for malingerers has flipped the table. The vacuum that Montana filled in the 80's and 90's has been emptied and recharged, largely with new players - some of whom weren't even an accredited university back in the day. Thomas Wolfe said you can't go home again and that holds true - even for Bobby should he wrangle an invite to bring his coaches whistle back to Missoula. First up, too many things need to change. The part about who winds up leading UM football is ultimately not the most pressing.

 

[rocklobster]

No way this goes 20 pages......

One more post by 75 and it's there.

'75 will say: "This ship has sailed! You're all living a pipe dream, if you think Stitt will get us back to championship form! It's obvious that the offense will not work in the Big Sky! Bobby will bring us back to the promised land! Anything short of that will be mediocrity, and disappointment will come to all of you who aren't realistic about the sport, or have never played the game!"

I'm pretty sure that's word for word.

You're 8000 words light.

I shortened it for so this thread WOULDN'T reach 20 pages! That's all we need!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

If Stitt gets fired and they hire Hauck, I'm withholding my jillion dollar donation. :roll:

 

[MT Jack]

Hauck is heading to............Flagstaff to watch his son play. You're living in the past if you think this is what needs to happen to save Griz football. Griz football doesn't need saving to begin with.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Following the misrepresentation of Stitt's Montana record to better fit your narrative, there is so much BS in this post it is difficult to determine where to start. Some points you miss or choose to ignore:

1. BSU, ISU and MSU won NCs in the 80s.
2. Read's '89 Montana team's Semi loss to GA. So. preceded Nevada's loss to GA So. in the '90 NC. It was Read's first of 5 playoff appearances.
3. Nevada won 4 BSC championships with 7 playoff appearances and the above NC appearance.
4. In addition to the NC, ISU won 3 BSC championships with 2 playoff appearances.
5. Idaho won 9 BSC championships with 11 playoff appearances, including 10 of 11 seasons from '85-'95.
6. BSU. "Bottom half"? In addition to their NC, they lost the '94 NC game to YSU after YSU eliminated the Dave Dickensonless Griz. 6 BSC championships. They were 219-102 overall as BSC members with a 114-61 conference record.

The BSC was at its peak during the Read era. Top to bottom it does not come close today.

So, it sounds like you're talking about the overall programs, not what Read had to deal with when he was starting (i.e., his first few years), from '86-'89. I thought I had been pretty clear about what time frame I was talking about, but all right. It only makes sense to compare Read's first 4 years to Stitt's 2 years. These were the factors Read dealt with before Montana was an elite contender every year.

1. Boise State won in 1980, Idaho State won in 81. MSU won in 84. All of which were before Read, and long enough for them to be mediocre when he got there.
2. I'm a little confused as to how this relates.
3. From '86-'89, Nevada won the conference one time, '86, when they also one the natty. However they did not make the playoffs or finish ranked again until 1990.
4. ISU was good before Read got there. From '86-'89, Idaho State finished last, 6th, last and 8th, compiling a whopping 8-34 record. Oh yeah. They were so good.
5. I'll give you Idaho. They were pretty good. Still doesn't quite explain how NO Big Sky team finished ranked in 1987 though.
6. Boise State didn't have the run you think they were having when Read started in Missoula. They finished 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 4th again from '86-'89. They made the playoffs once and only finished ranked once (same year, '88). I'll admit I'm wrong on the "bottom half" argument there, but they werent that good.

The Big Sky was fantastic once Read made Montana good and before Idaho left, which was the early 90s. But the late 80s were rough for the majority of the conference.

Read had Montana good by '89; made it to the semis stopped only by GSU. Nevada played for the NC in '90 and BSU in '94, both during the Read era. Montana, BSU, Idaho and Nevada were so competitive, they kept beating each other up, sometimes in the playoffs. These four teams topped the BSC three years in a row ('88-'90). Nevada was 15-1 in the BSC in '90 and '91 (25-3 overall with a #1 ranking). EWU was not the pushover you suggest; they were good '91-'93, tying for the conf. in '92. There is nothing like that consistent competition in today's watered-down BSC.

Can't argue with any of that. The Big Sky was a lot of fun and very tough back in those days. I fully agree that the current Big Sky is nothing like it was in those days, except I agree with others that the level of athlete, not necessarily football player, but athlete, is much, much better today.

I just don't understand why some Griz fans can't let it go. It was sooooooo long ago, and living in the past seems silly. I was a student at UM from 1993-1997. They were some great times to be a fan of Montana Grizzly football. Some of the best times of my life. But, I also have absolutely no trouble coping with the fact that THAT Big Sky Conference, Don Read, rosters with 60-plus Montana-born players, none of it is ever, ever, ever coming back.

Fine. I'd just like them to beat the cats, win the conference, win a couple of playoff games, and be competitive enough that fans believe they have a chance to win the National Championship. It's not unreasonable. It's what EVERYONE (fans) expected when you were a student in Missoula.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The BSC was at its peak during the Read era. Top to bottom it does not come close today.

I think you can say that about FCS as a whole. So many schools on the top have left and that quality has not been replaced.

I disagree, the overall talent at the FCS level has actually improved vs 20 years ago IMO.

You would be in the minority.

 

[ordigger]

The BSC was at its peak during the Read era. Top to bottom it does not come close today.

I think you can say that about FCS as a whole. So many schools on the top have left and that quality has not been replaced.

I disagree, the overall talent at the FCS level has actually improved vs 20 years ago IMO.

You would be in the minority.

I agree, but that only applies to eGriz. The majority know better.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I think you can say that about FCS as a whole. So many schools on the top have left and that quality has not been replaced.

I disagree, the overall talent at the FCS level has actually improved vs 20 years ago IMO.

You would be in the minority.

I agree, but that only applies to eGriz. The majority know better.

Actually, it seems to only apply to your special little world.

 

[zengriz]

...if coaches lose games..put the cat game on the d coach...
...hauck has a killer instinct especially for the cats...
...he sees it..fixes it..and destroys the flippn'...
...he'll never be back..but we can hope...

... ray: ...

 

[Ursa Major]

Hauck is heading to............Flagstaff to watch his son play. You're living in the past if you think this is what needs to happen to save Griz football. Griz football doesn't need saving to begin with.

:thumb:

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Hauck is heading to............Flagstaff to watch his son play. You're living in the past if you think this is what needs to happen to save Griz football. Griz football doesn't need saving to begin with.

:thumb:

Preach

 

[ordigger]

I disagree, the overall talent at the FCS level has actually improved vs 20 years ago IMO.

You would be in the minority.

I agree, but that only applies to eGriz. The majority know better.

Actually, it seems to only apply to your special little world.

At least I don't live in a bubble like you.