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Grizzlies Pass D using Lebsock and Van A

JayLarson

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I noticed against App St that against 4 wide receivers, we still had 3 or 4 linebackers on the field, but these linebackers included Van Ackeren and Lebsock who both were safeties. I feel alot more comfortable with our against the pass being in nickel and dime packages, but playing the former safeties out there gives the Griz defense alot more flexibility out there on defense. Now I am not sure if this was not just to give Van Ackeren and Lebsock playing time or if this is a new defensive package, but with those two out there with Tripp who has good speed our tackling will be much better than with more corners out there. I am excited to see what the defense does this weekend. Does anyone else have an info on this subject?
 
I believe after the 2012 pass defense debacle this staff is committed to having better pass defenders. In the spring when we found out Lebsock and Van Ackeren were converted to LB a few of us said it was to shore up the pass defense. These guys can always beef up as they mature. It is easier for a LB transition to defending the run, than it is to learning to defend the pass. I loved these moves in the spring, and feel these moves were very intelligent ones by the staff.
 
JayLarson said:
I noticed against App St that against 4 wide receivers, we still had 3 or 4 linebackers on the field, but these linebackers included Van Ackeren and Lebsock who both were safeties. I feel alot more comfortable with our against the pass being in nickel and dime packages, but playing the former safeties out there gives the Griz defense alot more flexibility out there on defense. Now I am not sure if this was not just to give Van Ackeren and Lebsock playing time or if this is a new defensive package, but with those two out there with Tripp who has good speed our tackling will be much better than with more corners out there. I am excited to see what the defense does this weekend. Does anyone else have an info on this subject?

No new intel but Geddes and I were dicussing this over a barley pop at the dollar a couple days ago. We came to the same conclusion...great post. :thumb:
 
JayLarson said:
I noticed against App St that against 4 wide receivers, we still had 3 or 4 linebackers on the field, but these linebackers included Van Ackeren and Lebsock who both were safeties. I feel alot more comfortable with our against the pass being in nickel and dime packages, but playing the former safeties out there gives the Griz defense alot more flexibility out there on defense. Now I am not sure if this was not just to give Van Ackeren and Lebsock playing time or if this is a new defensive package, but with those two out there with Tripp who has good speed our tackling will be much better than with more corners out there. I am excited to see what the defense does this weekend. Does anyone else have an info on this subject?

Yes, they both played. However they were simply playing as number 2 subs in a base package. They do have a nickel and dime package in which db's replace one or two linebackers but those packages do not include Lebsock or Van Ackeren. They were simply getting playing time is base D. In fact, there is a slight decline in the pass covering ability when going from Tripp or JPK to Lebsock and Van Ackeren. They are both pretty new to the position and are still learning. I would bet that we will see quite a bit of true nickel and dime this weekend out of the D though.
 
I hope Wags and Holmes have giant games :cool:. Then watching the said linebackers's grab a few ints would make for a most enjoyable game. Pressure the qb.
 
JayLarson said:
I noticed against App St that against 4 wide receivers, we still had 3 or 4 linebackers on the field, but these linebackers included Van Ackeren and Lebsock who both were safeties. I feel alot more comfortable with our against the pass being in nickel and dime packages, but playing the former safeties out there gives the Griz defense alot more flexibility out there on defense. Now I am not sure if this was not just to give Van Ackeren and Lebsock playing time or if this is a new defensive package, but with those two out there with Tripp who has good speed our tackling will be much better than with more corners out there. I am excited to see what the defense does this weekend. Does anyone else have an info on this subject?

Maybe on 3rd down that would help. But UND I don't think ever made it to 3rd down in that game :) So you will have your base package in most of the time.
 
WILD_CAT said:
JayLarson said:
I noticed against App St that against 4 wide receivers, we still had 3 or 4 linebackers on the field, but these linebackers included Van Ackeren and Lebsock who both were safeties. I feel alot more comfortable with our against the pass being in nickel and dime packages, but playing the former safeties out there gives the Griz defense alot more flexibility out there on defense. Now I am not sure if this was not just to give Van Ackeren and Lebsock playing time or if this is a new defensive package, but with those two out there with Tripp who has good speed our tackling will be much better than with more corners out there. I am excited to see what the defense does this weekend. Does anyone else have an info on this subject?

Maybe on 3rd down that would help. But UND I don't think ever made it to 3rd down in that game :) So you will have your base package in most of the time.

Good point but if they never make it to 3rd down, you're doing something wrong and you need to adjust that in which we had a problem doing last year.

I do believe we will mix up our defensive packages this year against them.
 
I was speaking with someone the other day who knows (the) Lebsock(s) pretty well. He said Connor's move to linebacker was mostly driven by the fact that his physical growth suggests that's the position he's most suited for.
 
grizcountry420 said:
WILD_CAT said:
JayLarson said:
I noticed against App St that against 4 wide receivers, we still had 3 or 4 linebackers on the field, but these linebackers included Van Ackeren and Lebsock who both were safeties. I feel alot more comfortable with our against the pass being in nickel and dime packages, but playing the former safeties out there gives the Griz defense alot more flexibility out there on defense. Now I am not sure if this was not just to give Van Ackeren and Lebsock playing time or if this is a new defensive package, but with those two out there with Tripp who has good speed our tackling will be much better than with more corners out there. I am excited to see what the defense does this weekend. Does anyone else have an info on this subject?

Maybe on 3rd down that would help. But UND I don't think ever made it to 3rd down in that game :) So you will have your base package in most of the time.

Good point but if they never make it to 3rd down, you're doing something wrong and you need to adjust that in which we had a problem doing last year.

I do believe we will mix up our defensive packages this year against them.

Yeah they will have to mix it up early. It will be an interesting game to watch to see the adjustments from last year.
 
I think the new ground and pound offense will help keep the UND's offense off the field and keep the defense fresh. My prediction is that it will be close early in the 3rd quarter, but the grizzlies will assert their will in the 2nd half behind an overpowering OL and a much more physical defense and UM will win going away.
 
wbtfg said:
I think the new ground and pound offense will help keep the UND's offense off the field and keep the defense fresh. My prediction is that it will be close early in the 3rd quarter, but the grizzlies will assert their will in the 2nd half behind an overpowering OL and a much more physical defense and UM will win going away.
Didn't you have a ground and pound offense last year with Canada and Nguyen? Pretty hard to have a better ground and pound than SDSU and Zenner. Nice thing is UND was better in the second half, scoring 21-14. One of the two touchdowns in the 2nd half was from a short field. Fumble recovery where drive stared on the 6.

This is going to be good.


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Robsnotes4u said:
wbtfg said:
I think the new ground and pound offense will help keep the UND's offense off the field and keep the defense fresh. My prediction is that it will be close early in the 3rd quarter, but the grizzlies will assert their will in the 2nd half behind an overpowering OL and a much more physical defense and UM will win going away.
Didn't you have a ground and pound offense last year with Canada and Nguyen? Pretty hard to have a better ground and pound than SDSU and Zenner. Nice thing is UND was better in the second half, scoring 21-14. One of the two touchdowns in the 2nd half was from a short field. Fumble recovery where drive stared on the 6.

This is going to be good.


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Zone read/hurry up =/= ground and pound. Plus we really had no passing threat, so teams could pretty much key up on the run...and even then we still led the conference in rushing (I think).
The system we have this season perfectly fits our personnel, unlike last season.
 
Htowngriz said:
Robsnotes4u said:
wbtfg said:
I think the new ground and pound offense will help keep the UND's offense off the field and keep the defense fresh. My prediction is that it will be close early in the 3rd quarter, but the grizzlies will assert their will in the 2nd half behind an overpowering OL and a much more physical defense and UM will win going away.
Didn't you have a ground and pound offense last year with Canada and Nguyen? Pretty hard to have a better ground and pound than SDSU and Zenner. Nice thing is UND was better in the second half, scoring 21-14. One of the two touchdowns in the 2nd half was from a short field. Fumble recovery where drive stared on the 6.

This is going to be good.


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Zone read/hurry up =/= ground and pound. Plus we really had no passing threat, so teams could pretty much key up on the run...and even then we still led the conference in rushing (I think).
The system we have this season perfectly fits our personnel, unlike last season.

Nice, I am happy JJ was able to come back for the Griz. You will need it for EWU and MSU. Going to be fun watching the BSC this year.


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