GRIZ/Wisconsin post game

[mtgrizrule]

Well that is the season, and what a season it has been. The GRIZ exceeded GRIZNATION expectations this season. I do not recall anyone in the preseason, picking the GRIZ to go 15-1 in conference, be over 20 wins, or winning the Big Sky conference regular season, or conference tournament. :thumb:

First of all, before I get too wrapped up in this, Congrats to Wisconsin. Your team, and fans are very classy, and made a great impression on me. After the game, I spoke to some Badger fans. They commented how they expected a much closer game (so did I). Several fans from New Mexico, Baylor, and Wisconsin, asked about or commented on, Henderson and Weisner. They loved how well they played defense, and how athletic they looked. The consensus from Badger fans this was the rare game where their perimeter game stayed hot all game long. They were worried they would have a 2nd half let down, being they shot so well in the 1st half. To be honest, I was expecting them to cool down too, and they never did.

Speaking of Wisconsin, their defense was every bit as advertised, if not better than advertised. Other than a few fast break buckets, the GRIZ did not see one uncontested, or open shot. That frustrated me as a fan, and I am sure frustrated our players too. That Wisconsin defense was one the best defenses I have seen all season. Athletically, their players were more athletic than I expected, just from seeing them on TV a few times. Offensively, not only did they hit their shots, but they did what few teams have done against the GRIZ defense, they made quick decisions with the ball, and the GRIZ had no time to execute traps, create loose balls, and get to shooters. It was also nice to see them not sit on the ball, until they got up enough to work the shot clock. I doubt their offense will stay on this kind of roll, but their defense is elite, and it bodes well for them. It will take a great shooting performance to beat them. They are a much better team than I was expecting. A few of their fans are right, they are a much better team than the national media gives them credit for.

Finally, it happened, a game where both Cherry, and Jamar struggled. I wish it would not have ended this way for this season, but this will serve as huge motivation for both them, and their returning teammates. Cherry proved he can get to the hole against anyone, but that does no good when you are not looking to create for teammates. I have not knocked him much this season, but the few times I have, it has been he needs to become a better creator for teammates to take his game to a new level, and that showed today!!! Note to all returnees, you need to try getting open when Will or Jamar take the ball to the hole. There were holes in the Wisconsin defense, but we did not execute in finding them very often. Wisconsin's length helped them, their bigs clogged the lane, allowing their perimeter defenders to say put on our shooters.

Defensively, despite giving up a high fg%, our defense was very good still. GRIZ D just ran into a buzz saw with Wisconsin's shooting. Their shooting, and quick decision making was the reason for their success, not bad defense from the GRIZ.

Despite a hard loss to end the year, I am stoked for next season. We will have much more of paint presence next season, on both ends of the court. We have great perimeter players, which are athletic coming back. Collectively, the returnees need to commit to playing together as often as possible in the off season, and that has to be lead by Cherry, and Jamar. I am not worried about our personnel, or defense whatsoever next season. For the GRIZ to take it to a new level they need to learn to be a team that creates consistently for one another.

Finally, thank you for a great season boys. GRIZ NATION is proud of you. Take a short break from basketball, and work on your games, strength, and conditioning the next 7 months, and you boys will be ready to take this season a few steps further. :thumb:

Final note: I spoke to Tres Tinkle at halftime. I asked him what he was up to for his height now. He confidently commented, " 6',4". " (so we can put that dispute to rest too). I got it straight from the horses mouth.

 

[GrizLA]

Great post...this year was good...next year might well be great. Speeding up on shots, a power player under the basket and this year's team will be the Wisconsin next year...Cherry isgood but needs to remember, so are Jamar and Ward..sometimes a pass off is the right play....like the man said, this is now a "program"!

 

[mtgrizrule]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Great post...this year was good...next year might well be great. Speeding up on shots, a power player under the basket and this year's team will be the Wisconsin next year...Cherry isgood but needs to remember, so are Jamar and Ward..sometimes a pass off is the right play....like the man said, this is now a "program"!

Speaking of the man said, can someone summarize Wayne Tinkle's post game interview with Mick?

 

[BWahlberg]

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference.

It's funny I had this EXACT same conversation with two other people today as well.

 

[GrizMusician]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

If you thought our officiating was bad... you should have seen the UNC Ash-Syracuse game... the upset should have happened.

 

[citygriz]

class will tell. wisconsin was taller, faster, quicker, deeper. both taylor and their defense were as good as advertised. little wonder wisconsin was eight in nation in the sagarin ratings. they play like this, and they'll go far in the tournament. congratulations to the wisconsin fans.

guess we learned, games are not played on espn!

lot to talk about. later.

 

[rainbear14]

I will admit, I was wrong, Badgers are damn good. I was totally shocked the way they hit their shots the first half, after watching them during season I knew they played good D but I had no clue that they were that athletic and that good of shooters...now that the bank is broke, I can just watch the rest of the tourney

 

[Growler1]

class will tell. wisconsin was taller, faster, quicker, deeper. both taylor and their defense were as good as advertised. little wonder wisconsin was eight in nation in the sagarin ratings. they play like this, and they'll go far in the tournament. congratulations to the wisconsin fans.

guess we learned, games are not played on espn!

lot to talk about. later.

You are right, dumpster man, Wisconsin is the real deal. There are 4 very good teams from the Big Ten in the tournament this year. Definitely an "up year" for the Big Ten.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

If you thought our officiating was bad... you should have seen the UNC Ash-Syracuse game... the upset should have happened.

That's for damn sure. It was bad enough the last 1:30 to 1:45 to make me question whether they didn't get something to look the other way. 3 horrible calls (so terrible the announcers talked at length about how they didn't understand how all 3 officials could blow the call) cost UNC-Ashville the game. Damn shame the game was decided by the 3 blind mice.

 

[stubbins]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

Yep...the refs in the Big Sky need to let teams play. This last year was horrible. Teams can't get into a flow, and then when they get in the tourney, they are not used to how physical of play is allowed.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

Yep...the refs in the Big Sky need to let teams play. This last year was horrible. Teams can't get into a flow, and then when they get in the tourney, they are not used to how physical of play is allowed.

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

 

[stubbins]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

Yep...the refs in the Big Sky need to let teams play. This last year was horrible. Teams can't get into a flow, and then when they get in the tourney, they are not used to how physical of play is allowed.

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

Yeah...that was pretty shitty call. But, they allowed it, and plenty of other physical stuff that our guys just aren't used to. We need to schedule a ridiculously hard noncon schedule next year, and somehow, prepare to beat the shit outta people. It might cost them some fouls in the conf games, but maybe it'll get em ready for the tourney.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

I forgot to add. Even though it did not decide the outcome of the game, officiating was questionable. Calls on the GRIZ were not calls on Wisconsin the majority of the game. Like every year the Big Sky team was expecting whistles to be blown, and were not.

I beg the Big Sky powers to be, "Please learn to officiate our conference games more like NCAA tournament games." I am so tired of seeing whistle, after whistle at a typical Big Sky game, and come tournament time, our teams just are not used to game officiated the way they are in the tournament.
It is the same every year, no matter who represents the conference. This alone would help our conference immensely come the Big Dance.

Yep...the refs in the Big Sky need to let teams play. This last year was horrible. Teams can't get into a flow, and then when they get in the tourney, they are not used to how physical of play is allowed.

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

Yeah...that was pretty shitty call. But, they allowed it, and plenty of other physical stuff that our guys just aren't used to. We need to schedule a ridiculously hard noncon schedule next year, and somehow, prepare to beat the shit outta people. It might cost them some fouls in the conf games, but maybe it'll get em ready for the tourney.

Yah but unless they are calling it even on both sides it doesn't matter. We got taken out of the game by 2 things, great shooting Wisconsin and horrible officiating. Calling us for ticky tack fouls and plenty of "blocks" for Wisconsin which were OBVIOUS fouls. Can't compete with the big boys when they bring their own officiating crew.

 

[Bigdsrip]

Yep...the refs in the Big Sky need to let teams play. This last year was horrible. Teams can't get into a flow, and then when they get in the tourney, they are not used to how physical of play is allowed.

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

Yeah...that was pretty shitty call. But, they allowed it, and plenty of other physical stuff that our guys just aren't used to. We need to schedule a ridiculously hard noncon schedule next year, and somehow, prepare to beat the shit outta people. It might cost them some fouls in the conf games, but maybe it'll get em ready for the tourney.

Yah but unless they are calling it even on both sides it doesn't matter. We got taken out of the game by 2 things, great shooting Wisconsin and horrible officiating. Calling us for ticky tack fouls and plenty of "blocks" for Wisconsin which were OBVIOUS fouls. Can't compete with the big boys when they bring their own officiating crew.

Ahh and the famous 'blame the refs for a loss to Wisconsin' demon shows its ugly head. The refs we're not why you lost that game. I can point out just as many bad calls that went against Wisconsin. Cherry driving the lane with his head down and throwing up ridiculous shots (half of which were seemingly blocked) was what hurt you. That and UW hitting so many 3's. The game was physical no doubt, but you have to adjust to the way its being called. With the exception of that late ticky-tack call on Henderson, the refs were very consistent in allowing the kids to play through contact.

 

[MaximumGriz2013]

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

Yeah...that was pretty shitty call. But, they allowed it, and plenty of other physical stuff that our guys just aren't used to. We need to schedule a ridiculously hard noncon schedule next year, and somehow, prepare to beat the shit outta people. It might cost them some fouls in the conf games, but maybe it'll get em ready for the tourney.

Yah but unless they are calling it even on both sides it doesn't matter. We got taken out of the game by 2 things, great shooting Wisconsin and horrible officiating. Calling us for ticky tack fouls and plenty of "blocks" for Wisconsin which were OBVIOUS fouls. Can't compete with the big boys when they bring their own officiating crew.

Ahh and the famous 'blame the refs for a loss to Wisconsin' demon shows its ugly head. The refs we're not why you lost that game. I can point out just as many bad calls that went against Wisconsin. Cherry driving the lane with his head down and throwing up ridiculous shots (half of which were seemingly blocked) was what hurt you. That and UW hitting so many 3's. The game was physical no doubt, but you have to adjust to the way its being called. With the exception of that late ticky-tack call on Henderson, the refs were very consistent in allowing the kids to play through contact.

Yep, the only two foul calls I thought were bad, was the ticky-tacky on Henderson, and the no call when Selvig practically got tackled on the rebound. Other than those two I thought the refs called a good game. They let them play through a lot more contact than the Big Sky refs do. We just got outplayed, plain and simple

Congrats to Wisconsin. Go kick some butt, even though you'll bust my bracket. :?

 

[GrizLA]

The refs did not lose this game for Montana...poor shooting lost this game...

 

[stubbins]

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

Yeah...that was pretty shitty call. But, they allowed it, and plenty of other physical stuff that our guys just aren't used to. We need to schedule a ridiculously hard noncon schedule next year, and somehow, prepare to beat the shit outta people. It might cost them some fouls in the conf games, but maybe it'll get em ready for the tourney.

Yah but unless they are calling it even on both sides it doesn't matter. We got taken out of the game by 2 things, great shooting Wisconsin and horrible officiating. Calling us for ticky tack fouls and plenty of "blocks" for Wisconsin which were OBVIOUS fouls. Can't compete with the big boys when they bring their own officiating crew.

Ahh and the famous 'blame the refs for a loss to Wisconsin' demon shows its ugly head. The refs we're not why you lost that game. I can point out just as many bad calls that went against Wisconsin. Cherry driving the lane with his head down and throwing up ridiculous shots (half of which were seemingly blocked) was what hurt you. That and UW hitting so many 3's. The game was physical no doubt, but you have to adjust to the way its being called. With the exception of that late ticky-tack call on Henderson, the refs were very consistent in allowing the kids to play through contact.

you can't be that fucking stupid...no one said the refs are why we lost. Our boys for sure did not play up to their potential today, and Wisconsin shot lights out. Exactly opposite of what we needed to happen.

Our league does not allow any physical play during the season, the league needs to remedy that so that any team that goes to the dance will be prepared for it.

Wisconsin played well today, if they play like that they will be a tought out. Not much else to say, except I wish our boys would've shown up.

Good luck and move on to annoying some other fan base.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

That's not gonna help at all when your opponents are getting the calls and you're not. I have never seen a worse "non-call" than that one(I forget which of our players) where their guy rebounded the ball as he totally falls on our player. Unfucking believable!

Yeah...that was pretty shitty call. But, they allowed it, and plenty of other physical stuff that our guys just aren't used to. We need to schedule a ridiculously hard noncon schedule next year, and somehow, prepare to beat the shit outta people. It might cost them some fouls in the conf games, but maybe it'll get em ready for the tourney.

Yah but unless they are calling it even on both sides it doesn't matter. We got taken out of the game by 2 things, great shooting Wisconsin and horrible officiating. Calling us for ticky tack fouls and plenty of "blocks" for Wisconsin which were OBVIOUS fouls. Can't compete with the big boys when they bring their own officiating crew.

Ahh and the famous 'blame the refs for a loss to Wisconsin' demon shows its ugly head. The refs we're not why you lost that game. I can point out just as many bad calls that went against Wisconsin. Cherry driving the lane with his head down and throwing up ridiculous shots (half of which were seemingly blocked) was what hurt you. That and UW hitting so many 3's. The game was physical no doubt, but you have to adjust to the way its being called. With the exception of that late ticky-tack call on Henderson, the refs were very consistent in allowing the kids to play through contact.

Hey dumass, I didn't say that's what lost the game for us, but it certainly was there and it does add to the burden of being in a game. There is a huge psychological difference between being 3 behind and 13 behind. The refs, in my opinion helped to create that as well as what I stated earlier, good shooting by the Badgers. But you've just been itching to call someone out if they even mention the refs. It's apparent in you claiming the Badgers got just as many bad calls. Give me a fucking break!

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

The refs did not lose this game for Montana...poor shooting lost this game...

A combination of both occurred. I believe poor officiating against one team definitely hurts that team psychologically and contributes to poor play.