GRIZ/ Weber game thread

[BelierPeaux]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

 

[grizzlyjournal]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

You wonder if some of these worthies have ever actually watched any bb. Comebacks like this one by Weber are far more the rule than the exception in any case where the teams are fairly evenly matched. You just sit there waiting for it to happen, and it almost always does. Human Nature … the little man inside regards as bullshit all the relentless haranguing by coaches re. the concept of never ever everever letting up. You can beat it to death for the outer man and he will claim on his mama’s life that he has bought into it, but when the lead looks too good and the odds are stacked in your favor, the little man will take a little break and he’ll stay with it until he feels like he’s goddamn ready to get back off the couch. Underlying it all is an ancient wisdom … unrelenting effort may help in the short run, but down the road, it will catch up to you and you will drive into a freaking tree. A whole, new, subtle and nuanced stratagery for dealing with this classic conundrum needs to be devised by sports psychologists and taught to coaches to save everyone from the current, counter-productive, wheel spinning idiocy.

Nail on the head, Bruno. That's why I go to every game I can... The unexpected of college sports (Montana's Big Sky championship in Soccer, Montana's 'sudden' collapse in football against the Cats, and the game-by-game raw competitiveness of Griz men's and women's hoops). I hope I never get too old for this.

 

[PlayerRep]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

I don't agree. UM was up by 22 when Weber had only 10 points, in the first half. Weber was going to get going, and they did. Jeez, they were the conference leader coming into the game. Weber didn't get to within 4 until 22 minutes later. And Weber was at 4 for only 9 seconds. UM answered every Weber run is the biggest point to remember.

My view, as I indicated in another thread, is that Travis wanted to get in several subs early in 2 of the Weber runs, but the clock didn't stop. I think Travis could see when he needed/wanted to get Falls and maybe Oguine (who were both hurt) out, to give them some relief. One time, I think he eventually called a TO, more to sub, than to settle down the team. I see that in one, Travis wanted to get Manuel and Akoh in for Falls and Dorsey. In another, he wanted Manuel and Moorehead in for Falls and Akoh.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

 

[BelierPeaux]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

That's what sports is all about! Showing resilience! Getting punched in the mouth and getting back up!

 

[astutegriz]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

You remember our comeback in 2010 as a miracle because you'd already conceded defeat, kicked your dog, and were left wondering where you were going to find (vicarious) success for your personal life. I remember it as a miracle because one guy hit for 34 in the second half, including 21 straight to end the game and a last second shot to send us to the big dance.

 

[Fat Bruno]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

You wonder if some of these worthies have ever actually watched any bb. Comebacks like this one by Weber are far more the rule than the exception in any case where the teams are fairly evenly matched. You just sit there waiting for it to happen, and it almost always does. Human Nature … the little man inside regards as bullshit all the relentless haranguing by coaches re. the concept of never ever everever letting up. You can beat it to death for the outer man and he will claim on his mama’s life that he has bought into it, but when the lead looks too good and the odds are stacked in your favor, the little man will take a little break and he’ll stay with it until he feels like he’s goddamn ready to get back off the couch. Underlying it all is an ancient wisdom … unrelenting effort may help in the short run, but down the road, it will catch up to you and you will drive into a freaking tree. A whole, new, subtle and nuanced stratagery for dealing with this classic conundrum needs to be devised by sports psychologists and taught to coaches to save everyone from the current, counter-productive, wheel spinning idiocy.

Nail on the head, Bruno. That's why I go to every game I can... The unexpected of college sports (Montana's Big Sky championship in Soccer, Montana's 'sudden' collapse in football against the Cats, and the game-by-game raw competitiveness of Griz men's and women's hoops). I hope I never get too old for this.

Yes, the psychology always keeps it unpredictable.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

You remember our comeback in 2010 as a miracle because you'd already conceded defeat, kicked your dog, and were left wondering where you were going to find (vicarious) success for your personal life. I remember it as a miracle because one guy hit for 34 in the second half, including 21 straight to end the game and a last second shot to send us to the big dance.

man, there’s a lot of projection going on there...get some help.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

That's what sports is all about! Showing resilience! Getting punched in the mouth and getting back up!

Yes...agreed. But it’s beginning to concern me that the Griz don’t appear to have a “knockout” punch..

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

It’s always possible that the best team can lose in the tournament. But last night’s game causes me no concerns whatsoever. Weber is a good team, but when Oguine is back to 100%, Weber can’t touch us.

Our shooting runs hot and cold, and we went cold last night, but the outcome wasn’t in doubt.

 

[EverettGriz]

I’m sorry, but a team you have down by 22 points should never get back to within 4. We’ve got some major issues to address or this team isn’t getting out of the tourney.

This literally happens hundreds if not thousands of times every year in college basketball, in every conference in America. It’s far more rare to see games like the noco game in which the GRIZ carried a 25 point lead the majority of the game. Very rare. Teams make runs

 

[Grisly Fan]

How about if that team was down 22 but came back to win? You know, like back in 2010?

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

That's what sports is all about! Showing resilience! Getting punched in the mouth and getting back up!

Yes...agreed. But it’s beginning to concern me that the Griz don’t appear to have a “knockout” punch..

What would certainly help widen the margin of victory would be for the Griz (as so many others have noted) to make their free-throws. Their poor make percentage doesn't tell the whole story. A miss on the first half of a 1-and-1 is actually like two misses and the Griz missed a lot of them against Weber. I personally don't understand why they don't shoot better. If they were up near the good level of 80% as a team it would make more of a difference in the outcomes than any single other thing that they could do.

 

[EverettGriz]

Weber fans: WTF?? I just took a glance at your site. Six posts during/after this game?? The Weber/UM game used to draw pages of posts on your site. What's up with that??

 

[br fan]

Moorhead is the best defender on the team. He plays harder than anyone else on the court.

he should also be at least a threat to hit a open 3 , sorry his ability to do that has been alarmingly bad since his freshman year.

I don't agree.

Moorehead had an outstanding game. Besides terrific defense, he made alot of other plays, big and little. He took only 2 shots, making 1. 2 blocks, a steal and an assist. His percentage from 3 is slightly better than Falls. Yes, I wish he was shooting the 3 a bit better.

I thought Moorehead had a good game as well, and I too wish he was shooting the 3 better.

But I don't think people appreciate what Moorehead's defense brings to this team. It's extremely difficult for anyone to defensively shut down a player like Harding from Weber. He's too good from both inside and the outside, and all you can do is try and slow him down on one part of his game and on this Bobby did a great job. Bobby's a 6'7" wing guarding a 6'1" guard, and Harding's going to beat him, just like Harding is going to beat pretty much anyone else in the league, off the dribble. But where Bobby's defense really shone is how he slowed down Harding's outside game. Harding did make some outside shots, but he had a hard time doing it shooting over the 6'7" guy guarding him.

Hall from Bozeman is another story because he is tall, and it will be interesting watching how Travis tries to defense him this weekend. Sizewise Bobby is the obvious choice overall, but to spell him Travis will be rotating trying to slow Hall down either on the inside or the outside. Oguine and Rorie will guard him to slow him off the dribble, but Travis will have to adjust if Hall adjusts to either shooting over or posting them up. Last year Travis would put Fab on Hall to force him to go inside where others could help, but this year we don't have a big guy that can play the perimeter on defense as well. But maybe Dorsey. It should be fun.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yeah, that shouldn’t happen either. We all know it was a miracle. That’s why we still talk about it. Like it was a miracle.

That's what sports is all about! Showing resilience! Getting punched in the mouth and getting back up!

Yes...agreed. But it’s beginning to concern me that the Griz don’t appear to have a “knockout” punch..

What would certainly help widen the margin of victory would be for the Griz (as so many others have noted) to make their free-throws. Their poor make percentage doesn't tell the whole story. A miss on the first half of a 1-and-1 is actually like two misses and the Griz missed a lot of them against Weber. I personally don't understand why they don't shoot better. If they were up near the good level of 80% as a team it would make more of a difference in the outcomes than any single other thing that they could do.

Who missed front end of 1 and 1 against Weber? I can recall only Rorie. Not saying there weren't more.

UM leads the conference in margin of victory by far. 11.3 to 8.3 to 6.9 to 4.9. UM, Weber, MSU, NC.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Weber fans: WTF?? I just took a glance at your site. Six posts during/after this game?? The Weber/UM game used to draw pages of posts on your site. What's up with that??

It's called Randy Rahe fatigue. Half the regular posters are just tired of Rahe and his lack of improvement over 13 years. And every thread started becoming an argument between Rahe supporters and Rahe haters, so most have given up on posting in the basketball forum. Also doesn't help that the Big Sky has become a total crap basketball conference and Weber football has actually become good with a very popular coach.

 

[EverettGriz]

Weber fans: WTF?? I just took a glance at your site. Six posts during/after this game?? The Weber/UM game used to draw pages of posts on your site. What's up with that??

It's called Randy Rahe fatigue. Half the regular posters are just tired of Rahe and his lack of improvement over 13 years. And every thread started becoming an argument between Rahe supporters and Rahe haters, so most have given up on posting in the basketball forum. Also doesn't help that the Big Sky has become a total crap basketball conference and Weber football has actually become good with a very popular coach.

Thanks 02. Although the bsc has ALWAYS been a crap conference. It’s just that now the bsc brass has rendered the regular season games meaningless, added a shit ton of teams who have no business being in the league, and have eliminated all fan experience, so that they can make even more money for themselves.



#bsc.