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Griz vs Badgers

UW plays defense with their lower bodies. Thats why it seems like guys are "flopping" all the time. Its called position defense. We don't have high flyers who can get up and block a ton of shots so we get in front of our guy and deny them driving lanes and very rarely leave our feet. Most college players these days don't know what to do when somebody does that, so they try to go right through them, thus charges. If thats flopping to you, ok, but I'll take our 13 straight tourney appearances and 11 straight years of finishing no worse then 4th in our conference.

I think a lot of the hate on UW is that teams that have the kind of success that we have had over the last 15 years or so, aren't supposed to look and play the way we do. When you combine that with the fact that for the 50 years before Stu Jackson got here in 92 we were one of the worst programs in the country. Before 1994 we had been to the tourney twice. 1941 (champs!! all right!) and 1947. We went in 94, 97, missed 98 and then we have been back every year since 99. That is quite a turnaround and its taken a lot of analysts a while to come to grips with the fact that UW is a legit program now. The fact that we have done it almost exclusively with kids from Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois and very few of them are NBA guys, adds to the perception that UW gets lucky, or has to have help from the refs in order to be successful.

The fact that we don't have a bunch of high flyers also leads to the reoccurring thought that we are an easy out in the tourney, ignoring all of the many factors that prove just the opposite. We have to play focused to win every game so mid-majors aren't going to catch us taking them lightly. We play tough help defense and don't allow teams to run or change the tempo of the game so you have to beat us at our own game. Most mids don't have the horses to do that, but ESPN/CBS likes to promote drama, and if you are just a casual observer, UW is an easy target for an upset because we don't play 'sexy'.

And I get that you are saying that UW is a good matchup is relative. I just think you are wrong. In my opinion UW is one of the worst match ups for Montana in the 3-4-5 seed range. We play extremely disciplined basketball. That makes it tough for less talented teams to close the gap, as compared to a team like IU or Louisville that can get out of control at times if you push the tempo. As a team that inverts its bigs, we know how many problems that can pose to teams that aren't used to it. But we are used to it, plus we have the personal advantage at that spot. Berggren is a borderline NBA guy who has taken it to both Zeller brothers, Jered Sullinger, and numerous other quality bigs and has won most of those match-ups. Your best player is your point guard who gets a ton of steals. Our point guard is an All-American who is going to set the NCAA record for career assist-to-turnover ratio, and our team as a whole has been in the top ten for fewest turnovers for Bo's whole career. You have a bunch of guys that shoot the 3 ball well, while we are near the top for 3 point % allowed. Plus the supposed advantage of having a former player on your coaching staff is moot. Everything he can tell you is available right here for $39.99; http://www.hoopsking.com/boryan.html

We have been susceptible to guards that drive the lane at times this year so you might catch a break there, but even then you have to play your A+ game to beat us (see Iowa). Could Montana win? Oh no doubt. Its not unheard of for us to go for 8 min scoreless stretches and if you get hot at the same time (which only MSU has managed to do this year) we could be in trouble. But we have been playing very well recently, despite what ESPN would have you believe, and I don't see Taylor allowing us to lose in the first round his senior year.
 
PlayerRep said:
I find it amusing that some Wisconsin fans are so sensitive to comments about Wisconsin and that there are seemingly such a large amount of dissing of Wisconsin that occurs in by pundits and internet columnists. I wonder why do so many people in the media lack confidence in Wisconsin?
It was the same with the Tennessee board last year. Everyone in sports is always pissed when they're not being "respected" by whoever. The douches over here would do the same thing if a DII fanbase showed any pride when talking with us
 
I disagree with bigdsrip on one thing -- the Badgers actually do block a fair number of shots, most notably when the bigs (mostly Berggren and Evans) provide help D after a guard/wing penetrates. The blocked shot is not a huge part of the defensive game plan, but it's not non-existent by any stretch of the imagination.
 
You're right. We have been blocking more shots recently but its usually the help defender that goes for the block. I was thinking in terms of drawing charges/"flopping". Although Berggren this year will challenge you straight up from time to time.
 
I don't think Wisconsin is "flopping" when they take the falls. It's a solid defensive plan and if the offense is too aggressive on the Badger players they will pay for it.
 
I get the impression that Ward is going to be critical in this game, mainly for the dump off passes after Cherry or Jamar drives. If he is hitting his mid-range game, Griz can do some damage.
 
Cujo said:
I don't think Wisconsin is "flopping" when they take the falls. It's a solid defensive plan and if the offense is too aggressive on the Badger players they will pay for it.

What? You mean defensive players sometimes go down hard when the offensive players don't actually hit them hard? Shocking! :)
 
Michael Hunt loves Badgers.
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/hunt-expect-sweet-16-for-mu-bucky-he4h47g-142281775.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Expect Sweet 16 for Marquette, Wisconsin

... For no particular reason, let's start with the Badgers.

We all know that Bo Ryan would take a hotshot recruit who planned to stay in Madison only a year before cashing NBA checks. But since those kinds of players do not naturally gravitate toward Wisconsin, Ryan has built his system on four- and five-year guys. He has gotten the Badgers to the NCAAs that way every year since glaciers cut the isthmus. And that's great. But we also know what happens whenever the Badgers run into the smart, spirited underdog that doesn't care what kind of system Ryan steadfastly runs. Davidson, Cornell, Butler, on and on, there is no point in rehashing bad history. Yet, once Wisconsin gets by Larry Krystkowiak's alma mater, the typical Badger-beater will be waiting: Harvard or Vanderbilt - and you'd assume a pretty good Vandy - but it really doesn't matter. Both are precisely the types that routinely embarrass Bucky in the tournament.

So let's leave this challenge for Wisconsin: Get out of the second round this year, because Syracuse is not that big of a deal. And we'll leave it at that for the moment.
 
saw on a post that Big Ten basketball is #1 of conf in US. That is one sorry state for college bb when Big Ten is tops...college bb is in a sorry state for the rest of us I guess...
 
Brock Landers said:
PlayerRep said:
I find it amusing that some Wisconsin fans are so sensitive to comments about Wisconsin and that there are seemingly such a large amount of dissing of Wisconsin that occurs in by pundits and internet columnists. I wonder why do so many people in the media lack confidence in Wisconsin?
It was the same with the Tennessee board last year. Everyone in sports is always pissed when they're not being "respected" by whoever. The douches over here would do the same thing if a DII fanbase showed any pride when talking with us


Hey, pay attention if you're going to post. The people dissing Wisconsin are some sportswriters, not the UM fan base.
 
first11 said:
saw on a post that Big Ten basketball is #1 of conf in US. That is one sorry state for college bb when Big Ten is tops...college bb is in a sorry state for the rest of us I guess...


What? I don't follow, who should be on top? Lame post.
 
check out the podcast of ESPNU 3/12

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Montana/Cheesehead game at about 19 min mark. Good stuff.
 
... Three Second-Round Games To Watch


1. Gonzaga-West Virginia: This is an intriguing game. Gonzaga is ranked 42nd and West Virginia is ranked 35th in Ken Pomeroy's adjusted offensive efficiency ratings. The battle of the Kevins (Jones and Pangos) features two of the most potent scorers in the country. I think both Bob Huggins and Mark Few are two of the more underrated coaches in the nation, too. I like this matchup.

2. St. Bonaventure-Florida State: Andrew Nicholson (18.2 ppg, 8.3 rpg) looked like a pro during the A-10 tournament as he led St. Bonaventure to the championship and the league's auto bid. The Bonnies are a talented offensive team (38th in Pomeroy's adjusted offensive efficiency ratings). And Florida State is one of the top defensive squads in America (14th in Pomeroy's adjusted defensive efficiency ratings). Something has to give.


3. Wisconsin-Montana: Upset alert. The Grizzlies are on a hot streak and Will Cherry (16.0 ppg) is a stud. I was impressed with the way this team finished the season in the Big Sky. Weber State is solid and the Grizzlies beat their conference rivals by 19 to win the Big Sky tournament. Wisconsin's defense anchors Bo Ryan's system. But the Badgers' offense has been problematic in recent weeks. They could get caught here.



Possible Future Matchups

1. Syracuse-Vanderbilt: The Commodores (39 percent from beyond the arc) could exploit Syracuse's zone. Vanderbilt also has veteran talent that won't succumb to the pressure of the moment if it meets the Orange in the Sweet 16. At the same time, no team in America can match Syracuse's depth. And Jim Boeheim has one of the most versatile teams in the entire field.

2. Ohio State-Cincinnati: There would be a lot of beef inside in this Sweet 16 matchup with Yancy Gates (6-9, 260 pounds) and Sullinger (17.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg) inside. I like the Sean Kilpatrick-Dion Dixon combo against Aaron Craft and William Buford, too. They're both gritty and edgy. There will be a lot of trash-talking and scrappy basketball if this meeting happens.

3. Florida State-Wisconsin: This is not the TV-friendly matchup that the execs operating the tournament want in the Elite Eight. But both the Badgers and Seminoles could end up here with their defensive capabilities. It wouldn't be a sexy matchup. First one to 45 might get the victory. But for folks who appreciate defense, this matchup would be a dream. For everyone else, it might be hard to watch.



Possible Cinderella
Montana: The Grizzlies haven't lost since Jan. 14. The Grizzlies had the Big Sky's top scoring defense and margin of victory. Like the Badgers, they're built on defense. And with that, the Grizzlies could shake up the region. They have five players averaging 9.2 ppg or more.

Myron Medcalf covers college basketball for ESPN.com. He can be reached at [email protected]. Follow him on Twitter: @MedcalfbyESPN.
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Some thoughts and some questions for the Badger fans:

First, someone had said it before, either here or on the Weber board, but if you can impose your will in the paint, you will likely win and possibly easily. This is why most on this board were apprehensive of getting matched up with the likes of Baylor. If you want a decent blue print of how to beat this Griz team, you could go back and watch the Semifinal game against EWU. Granted, we won, but they had a great game-plan attacking the paint and using their big, Ederaine, against us. He was quicker than any of our bigs and he made us look pretty silly at times. You can watch some of the Griz games from this season here:

http://b2tv.com/upcoming_events.asp?q=v&value=bigsky" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You just have to sign up for a free account, then login, install both the octet software and the latest flash player (you may need to restart the browser after this), then log in and click on "watch now." Look for the "VOD" link on the player that launches. You can go through past games here.

Anyway, that leads me to a question. How nimble are your big guys? I'd like to say ours are decent, but they just aren't. If they can work Matthias and Dereck, it will be a long day for the Griz.
 
EverettGriz said:
An interesting take on the game from our BSC bretheren:

http://www.bigskyfans.com/wildcats/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3136" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


thanks for this link and thread. Great read by the way. As much I cannot stand the crap talked on the football threads between big sky fan bases, I equally enjoy the respect fan bases show on the basketball side.

If Badger fans are reading this I am taking this to ChampionshipSubdivision.com for other fans outlooks too. :thumb:

See the thread here. http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29419&p=625661#p625661" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
We play extremely disciplined basketball. That makes it tough for less talented teams to close the gap

There are plenty of informed observers who do not believe Montana is less-talented.
 
votb said:
SeaGrizluvr said:
I wonder if any of the Badger posters are actually Wisconsin coaches trying to get insight into the Griz. :shock: :D


This one I REALLY get a kick out of. If you understand the amazing technology now available to coaching staffs through subscription services used by most schools, you'd know they can get video (already broken down) of every player on your opponents roster...in almost every kind of situation. The software is amazing, and these companies literally hire people to go through game tapes and create the individual player video. You can look at any opponent player on offense/defense/free-throws,etc. Trust me...Wisconsin's coaches are NOT reading this board to scout the Griz.

It was pretty much a joke...that you found it so serious made me giggle(yah, that's right, giggle) :lol:
 
SeaGrizluvr said:
votb said:
SeaGrizluvr said:
I wonder if any of the Badger posters are actually Wisconsin coaches trying to get insight into the Griz. :shock: :D


This one I REALLY get a kick out of. If you understand the amazing technology now available to coaching staffs through subscription services used by most schools, you'd know they can get video (already broken down) of every player on your opponents roster...in almost every kind of situation. The software is amazing, and these companies literally hire people to go through game tapes and create the individual player video. You can look at any opponent player on offense/defense/free-throws,etc. Trust me...Wisconsin's coaches are NOT reading this board to scout the Griz.

It was pretty much a joke...that you found it so serious made me giggle(yah, that's right, giggle) :lol:

How can I apply for a scouting job for this company? I would love being paid to scout and break down players/teams? Serious question too. :thumb:
 
Bigdsrip said:
and I don't see Taylor allowing us to lose in the first round his senior year.

Yah, I'm sure Weber fans were thinking Lillard wouldn't ALLOW them to lose his probable last year too. :roll: :lol:
 

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