-
Hi Guest, want to participate in the discussions, keep track of read/unread posts access private forums and more? Create your free account and increase the benefits of your eGriz.com experience today!
Griz vs Badgers
- Thread starter Jaredkuehn
- Start date
Typical Badger fan writes:
"Good matchup" for us doesn't mean we are likely to win, it means "good matchup" compared to what it might have been against some of the power inside teams. After looking at the other three four-seeds this is the best "matchup" the GRIZ could have hoped for. We are still a thirteen seed from an insignificant conference playing a four-seed from the best power conference (this year) in the country. We are underdogs and we accept that fate, but don't try to diminish our pride and optimism. We are used to being the mongrel dog in the fight against the purebreed. Wisconsin expects to recruit the best athletes in the upper Midwest. Montana recruits from a pool downstream from the luxury pool and still we are lucky that quality players sometimes fall through the cracks and take the opportunity that back-water Montana presents. Quality players aren't always the most athletic - our coaches will take the athleticism available and blend in a big dose of heart, character, and pride. Sure, Wisconsin should have the upperhand but don't try to beat us down as undeserving to be on the same court - it won't work. Sometimes the mongrel dog fights a little harder than the show dog.
"Good matchup" for us doesn't mean we are likely to win, it means "good matchup" compared to what it might have been against some of the power inside teams. After looking at the other three four-seeds this is the best "matchup" the GRIZ could have hoped for. We are still a thirteen seed from an insignificant conference playing a four-seed from the best power conference (this year) in the country. We are underdogs and we accept that fate, but don't try to diminish our pride and optimism. We are used to being the mongrel dog in the fight against the purebreed. Wisconsin expects to recruit the best athletes in the upper Midwest. Montana recruits from a pool downstream from the luxury pool and still we are lucky that quality players sometimes fall through the cracks and take the opportunity that back-water Montana presents. Quality players aren't always the most athletic - our coaches will take the athleticism available and blend in a big dose of heart, character, and pride. Sure, Wisconsin should have the upperhand but don't try to beat us down as undeserving to be on the same court - it won't work. Sometimes the mongrel dog fights a little harder than the show dog.
wbtfg
Well-known member
Interesting that 3/4 of the 4 seeds are Big 10 schools (Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin)...the other being Louisville. I think this is a somewhat weak group of #4's, and any of them could go down.
As a bball fan, I would have preferred to see UM/Louisville, as I think the Cherry/Siva matchup would have been awesome to watch. Also, Louisville got hot in the Big East tournament, but before that they didn't have many impressive wins.
That said, I think Wisconsin is probably the most consistent team ouf of the #4's.
As a bball fan, I would have preferred to see UM/Louisville, as I think the Cherry/Siva matchup would have been awesome to watch. Also, Louisville got hot in the Big East tournament, but before that they didn't have many impressive wins.
That said, I think Wisconsin is probably the most consistent team ouf of the #4's.
It's a good matchup for Montana. I've watched Wisconsin all year and while they are very physical, they live through Jordan Taylor. Their offense consists of passing the ball around the perimeter for the first 25-27 seconds of the shot clock and then Jordan penetrates and either goes to the hoop, kicks it out for a three, or finds Berggren down low. Very reliant on the three point shot, and mind-numbingly (albeit deliberately) slow. A team with a good perimeter defense like Montana matches up well with their three-point shooting game and Cherry can definitely handle Taylor after checking a better guard a few times this year (Lillard). If Montana can get out on the fast break, Wisconsin could lose this one. Also, a centerpiece of Wisconsin's defense is flopping on anything even close to contact and attempting to draw charges. If the refs don't buy it, they're toast. I've seen it happen before, and they shouldn't get as many calls away from Big Ten play.
gbhmt said:
I predict Wisconsin will modify their usual game plan and will pound it inside against us. I think they'll see an advantage there when they scout us. And of course, if they're having success with that, they'll likely start kicking it back outside to the shooters.
formerlybis
Active member
gbhmt said:
I call BS. This is an MSU Spartan fan in disguise. Their fanbase and their midget coach are the main purveyors of the flopping myth, even though their star player flops more than anyone. I would say UW has drawn less than one charge per game this year, so I wouldn't worry about that. And the foul disparity this year is usually in favor of the opponent until the end-game foul-fest to try and extend the game, so we don't get more calls than anyone else does either.
Nice try though.
formerlybis said:
Born and raised in Missoula, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Every game I've watched I've been baffled at how outrageous some of the charge attempts have been. It's gotten to the point where announcers point it out and other Big Ten coaches (see the article on either ESPN or Yahoo a couple weeks ago) disrespect Wisconsin because of it. If you could find a stat saying Wisconsin has only taken a charge per game, I'd be tickled. I've seen Wisconsin play in 10-12 games this season and it's always something that's stood out.
Evizzerate
Well-known member
I've been watching some games and the flopping is noticable. Almost looks like a coached behavior, part of their scheme the way the Badgers get low and sorta slip under the opponent then ...FLOP.
stubbins
Well-known member
62GRIZ said:
This is a tough matchup..Indiana or Michigan would've been far better for the Griz. I do like having Wisconsin better than Louisville or Baylor.
If the Griz can guard the 3, which they are good at, and not give up many second chance points, they've got a chance. (So you're saying there's a chance...I got ya. Yeah!)
On offense, Cherry is going to have to break down the defense, which we know he is very capable of doing, and find the cutter or open man at the 3 pt. line. The Griz MUST knock down their open shots, because they aren't going to get a lot of great looks. Also, going to have to have a great offensive game plan, pick and roll and never hitting the roller is not going to work in this one.
I think it's key that Cherry hit a couple threes off of the screens early on, get him some confidence, and then have the ability to either hit it, or drive right by.
defensive boards, boards and more boards....
CloudsOfDust
Member
Here's Dan Dakich on the Seth Davis article where a coach accuses Wisconsin of flopping and mugging:
"There is a dumbass assistant coach somewhere opening up his mouth, I mean if you want to know the truth," Dakich said. "Because anyone who has ever been a head coach and take what Bo Ryan does every single moment of every single minute of every single day – when you are an assistant coach you think you know everything. So you open your mouth. So my comment is, who cares what some dumbass assistant coach cares about Wisconsin’s style of play? The dude’s won more games than that guy will ever think about winning. Whoever that guy is."
"But in terms of cheating the game, are you crazy?" Dakich said. "Bo Ryan does the exact opposite. Watch a warm-up. They pass, they catch, they work on skill. That’s not cheating the game. They guard you. That’s not cheating the game. They don’t grab people. I’ve been to a million of their games. They don’t grab people. I don’t walk away from a Wisconsin game saying, ‘Dang did they just mug their opponent?’ I’ve done a million games and I promise you this. I promise you that whatever assistant coach was stupid enough to say that, I promise you – I’m not even in the league, but I’ve watched more of Wisconsin than that guy does – and what he said about them is complete crap. Is that strong enough for you?"
"There is a dumbass assistant coach somewhere opening up his mouth, I mean if you want to know the truth," Dakich said. "Because anyone who has ever been a head coach and take what Bo Ryan does every single moment of every single minute of every single day – when you are an assistant coach you think you know everything. So you open your mouth. So my comment is, who cares what some dumbass assistant coach cares about Wisconsin’s style of play? The dude’s won more games than that guy will ever think about winning. Whoever that guy is."
"But in terms of cheating the game, are you crazy?" Dakich said. "Bo Ryan does the exact opposite. Watch a warm-up. They pass, they catch, they work on skill. That’s not cheating the game. They guard you. That’s not cheating the game. They don’t grab people. I’ve been to a million of their games. They don’t grab people. I don’t walk away from a Wisconsin game saying, ‘Dang did they just mug their opponent?’ I’ve done a million games and I promise you this. I promise you that whatever assistant coach was stupid enough to say that, I promise you – I’m not even in the league, but I’ve watched more of Wisconsin than that guy does – and what he said about them is complete crap. Is that strong enough for you?"
I find it amusing that some Wisconsin fans are so sensitive to comments about Wisconsin and that there are seemingly such a large amount of dissing of Wisconsin that occurs in by pundits and internet columnists. I wonder why do so many people in the media lack confidence in Wisconsin?
formerlybis
Active member
gbhmt said:
http://247sports.com/User/Detail/20853
Caught ya -- here's a frequent poster on the MSU Spartan message board who coincidentally has the same user name. Huh. Imagine that.
An interesting take on the game from our BSC bretheren:
http://www.bigskyfans.com/wildcats/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3136" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bigskyfans.com/wildcats/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3136" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
CloudsOfDust
Member
Every year we get picked as a trendy 1st round upset. And every year we win in the 1st round.
Just gets old.
Just gets old.
SeaGrizluvr said:I wonder if any of the Badger posters are actually Wisconsin coaches trying to get insight into the Griz. :shock:
This one I REALLY get a kick out of. If you understand the amazing technology now available to coaching staffs through subscription services used by most schools, you'd know they can get video (already broken down) of every player on your opponents roster...in almost every kind of situation. The software is amazing, and these companies literally hire people to go through game tapes and create the individual player video. You can look at any opponent player on offense/defense/free-throws,etc. Trust me...Wisconsin's coaches are NOT reading this board to scout the Griz.
wbtfg
Well-known member
votb said:SeaGrizluvr said:I wonder if any of the Badger posters are actually Wisconsin coaches trying to get insight into the Griz. :shock:
This one I REALLY get a kick out of. If you understand the amazing technology now available to coaching staffs through subscription services used by most schools, you'd know they can get video (already broken down) of every player on your opponents roster...in almost every kind of situation. The software is amazing, and these companies literally hire people to go through game tapes and create the individual player video. You can look at any opponent player on offense/defense/free-throws,etc. Trust me...Wisconsin's coaches are NOT reading this board to scout the Griz.
Do you really think they can get better insight on digital cut ups than can on egriz? That's laughable...of course they're reading egriz.
Just like I'm sure Wayne Tinkle and staff are perusing the Wisconsin message boards.
