that is where the Griz are weakest...not much inside game at all...But, if UM can hit their shots, and slow Wisconsin down, there is a good win here for the taking...Ward is going to have to speed up his shot and Stewart is going to be pounded...going to be fun if UM plays the UM game...I have seen enough of the Wisc style on Tv and their style is deceptive..they are not slow, they have good ball movement, but if I have to choose the best defense between the two...UM has the advantage...Wisc. is very, very aggressive and if the refs call a tight game, that favors UM....if not, ouch!stubbins said:
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Griz vs Badgers
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Slow Wisconsin down? :lol: I think I know what you meant to say -- keep UW from its normal scoring efficiency -- but seeing that made me laugh -- you won't have to try to slow us down.
Hey, Griz fans! First off, no Badger fan (or player, coach, etc) will take your squad lightly! Bo Ryan has only been eliminated from the first round once, but that does not mean we will overlook a first round matchup! As a matter of fact, our last five tournament losses have been to mid-majors. 
We have a preseason All-American in Jordan Taylor. As some would say, he had a bit of a 'down season' as far as putting the ball in the hoop, but is still among the best point guards in the country as he is on pace to break the NCAA record in assist-to-turnover ratio. His defense has taken a step back, but he was still part of the Big Ten All-Defensive Team in 2010-2011.
Our shooting guard is a sophomore, Josh Gasser. Don't let his class year fool you. He's very experienced as he is one of the few players ever under Bo Ryan that started as a freshman. He's not out there to be a primary scorer, but is an excellent defender (All-Big Ten defensive team) and an excellent shooter (45% 3PT).
Mike Bruesewitz has been our hustle guy since day one. Last year in the tournament, Frank Martin (Kansas State head coach) said he would love to have a guy like Bruesewitz on his team. Bruesewitz's offense has taken a drastic hit and he seems to have lost all confidence in his shot. He is still a valuable asset to Bo Ryan, though. He makes multiple hustle plays each game and is actually a very good offensive rebounder.
Ryan Evans has been Wisconsin's most surprising player this season. He garned all-conference honors and averaged 11 ppg, 7 rpg, and about 2 apg. He is a very good all-around player and has been a versatile defender throughout his time in Madison. He's not very effective outside 15 feet, which is a rarity on this Wisconsin roster.
Jared Berggren is a first-year starter that has really blossomed into an effective player. Part of that can be attributed to practicing and playing behind Jon Leuer (Milwaukee Bucks) and Keaton Nankivil for three years. He has a beautiful stroke from behind the arc and averages just over one three per game. He is susceptible to making some questionable decisions, but all in all, he has been very effective.
Our main guys off the bench include: Ben Brust, Rob Wilson and Frank Kaminsky
- Rob Wilson is a senior that hasn't developed into the player everyone thought he would be. He's had an injury-plagued career, but has started to come on strong in the latter part of his senior year. He's found his confidence, and that is a very underrated aspect to this game. He went off for 30 against Indiana just a few days ago!
- Ben Brust is another young guy that is considered a very hot-and-cold player from three point land.
- Frank Kaminsky is another one of your typical Wisconsin big men that can step out, but has also shown signs of inexperience as he is just a freshman.
Wisconsin fans are notorious for traveling well in both basketball and football.
Under Bo Ryan, the Badgers have reached the Sweet 16 four times, Elite Eight once and the Second Round nine times. Just once have they been eliminated in the first round (2005-2006 against Arizona).
Looking forward to our match-up this week!
We have a preseason All-American in Jordan Taylor. As some would say, he had a bit of a 'down season' as far as putting the ball in the hoop, but is still among the best point guards in the country as he is on pace to break the NCAA record in assist-to-turnover ratio. His defense has taken a step back, but he was still part of the Big Ten All-Defensive Team in 2010-2011.
Our shooting guard is a sophomore, Josh Gasser. Don't let his class year fool you. He's very experienced as he is one of the few players ever under Bo Ryan that started as a freshman. He's not out there to be a primary scorer, but is an excellent defender (All-Big Ten defensive team) and an excellent shooter (45% 3PT).
Mike Bruesewitz has been our hustle guy since day one. Last year in the tournament, Frank Martin (Kansas State head coach) said he would love to have a guy like Bruesewitz on his team. Bruesewitz's offense has taken a drastic hit and he seems to have lost all confidence in his shot. He is still a valuable asset to Bo Ryan, though. He makes multiple hustle plays each game and is actually a very good offensive rebounder.
Ryan Evans has been Wisconsin's most surprising player this season. He garned all-conference honors and averaged 11 ppg, 7 rpg, and about 2 apg. He is a very good all-around player and has been a versatile defender throughout his time in Madison. He's not very effective outside 15 feet, which is a rarity on this Wisconsin roster.
Jared Berggren is a first-year starter that has really blossomed into an effective player. Part of that can be attributed to practicing and playing behind Jon Leuer (Milwaukee Bucks) and Keaton Nankivil for three years. He has a beautiful stroke from behind the arc and averages just over one three per game. He is susceptible to making some questionable decisions, but all in all, he has been very effective.
Our main guys off the bench include: Ben Brust, Rob Wilson and Frank Kaminsky
- Rob Wilson is a senior that hasn't developed into the player everyone thought he would be. He's had an injury-plagued career, but has started to come on strong in the latter part of his senior year. He's found his confidence, and that is a very underrated aspect to this game. He went off for 30 against Indiana just a few days ago!
- Ben Brust is another young guy that is considered a very hot-and-cold player from three point land.
- Frank Kaminsky is another one of your typical Wisconsin big men that can step out, but has also shown signs of inexperience as he is just a freshman.
Wisconsin fans are notorious for traveling well in both basketball and football.
Under Bo Ryan, the Badgers have reached the Sweet 16 four times, Elite Eight once and the Second Round nine times. Just once have they been eliminated in the first round (2005-2006 against Arizona).
Looking forward to our match-up this week!
Grizinmyyard
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I like this match up. I have BTN so have seen these guys play a few times this year. They can be very good or they can be not so great. Iowa (17-16) beat them in the Kohl Center (Madison), earlier in the season 72-65 and in February in Iowa City 67-66. The three ball was big in both games.
They are very patient in the half court offense and play very tough D but they can be slow to cover the deep 3. Taylor is the real deal at guard. Their bigs are rough and tough and will plug the middle. All the Griz need to eat their Wheaties before this one, and have the Ben Gay ready for post game.
If the Griz are on, I give them a very good chance of winning this game, especially if they hit the threes like they did against Weber.
They are very patient in the half court offense and play very tough D but they can be slow to cover the deep 3. Taylor is the real deal at guard. Their bigs are rough and tough and will plug the middle. All the Griz need to eat their Wheaties before this one, and have the Ben Gay ready for post game.
If the Griz are on, I give them a very good chance of winning this game, especially if they hit the threes like they did against Weber.
mtgrizrule
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Thanks for the Wisconsin report. Here is a GRIZ report.
(1) The GRIZ are very weak on the boards, and been that way all year, but better the last 2 months. We are very short on big depth, due to Billy Reader not playing because of academics.
(2) Our Defense is unpredictable, and the GRIZ strength. Coach Tinkle is not afraid to try different defenses, until he finds one our opponents have trouble with. No matter the defense, GRIZ defenders swarm the ball in the paint and the perimeter, they are always poking for the ball. See VCU the last few years.
(3) Every player, but one is capable of hitting 3's at an average, or better, clip. Our main guys are Selvig, Ward, Cherry, Steward, Jamar, and Stockton. We have other talented players off the bench, but don't go with much depth. The staff likes the results of the guys listed. The other guys are all Freshmen, and Sophomores. Deshields, Henderson, Gregory, and Weisner have all had good games at one point or another this season. Our other big, Hutchison is solid on the boards, and some paint presence, but just has not put it together this year.
(4) The GRIZ like to get 3 to 5 players in double digits in the scoring. Our starting bigs, Selvig and Ward are very good mid to long range shooters, but inconsistent inside the paint. Art Steward is a great defender inside and outside, despite only being 6'5". He is a handful, and very strong. He does it a little of everything.
Will Cherry will likely be in the NBA after next year. He is one of the best defenders in the country, regardless of level. He is very quick. He is not intimidated by anyone, and believes he is the best player on the court every game. He takes the ball to the hole well, hits FT's at 78%, and close to 40% from 3, which is something he used to struggle with. He is the straw that stirs the drink.
Our other starting guard, Kareem Jamar, can fill it up fast, hits the 3 over 40%, takes the ball to the hole, but inconsistent from the FT line. He is also a great passer. Has put up a triple double, he is good for 15 ppg, 6 rpg, and 5 apg, of late at least. He is solid on defense too. He does not have a weakness.
The key for Wisconsin will be keeping Jamar and Cherry from getting this team going. Both are a handful, while doing that, a team cannot sleep on Selvig, Ward, and Steward too.
The GRIZ Defense is hard to prepare for, being they don't rely on any one kind of defense. They play all the defenses well. Wisconsin will have a hand full in this one.
It should be a great game.
Late note: 2 things that can make a difference, favoring the GRIZ.
Assistant Coach, Freddie Owens has to know the ins and outs of Wisconsin, and what to expect from Ryan.
Montana is use to playing a lot of altitude games, compared to Wisconsin.
(1) The GRIZ are very weak on the boards, and been that way all year, but better the last 2 months. We are very short on big depth, due to Billy Reader not playing because of academics.
(2) Our Defense is unpredictable, and the GRIZ strength. Coach Tinkle is not afraid to try different defenses, until he finds one our opponents have trouble with. No matter the defense, GRIZ defenders swarm the ball in the paint and the perimeter, they are always poking for the ball. See VCU the last few years.
(3) Every player, but one is capable of hitting 3's at an average, or better, clip. Our main guys are Selvig, Ward, Cherry, Steward, Jamar, and Stockton. We have other talented players off the bench, but don't go with much depth. The staff likes the results of the guys listed. The other guys are all Freshmen, and Sophomores. Deshields, Henderson, Gregory, and Weisner have all had good games at one point or another this season. Our other big, Hutchison is solid on the boards, and some paint presence, but just has not put it together this year.
(4) The GRIZ like to get 3 to 5 players in double digits in the scoring. Our starting bigs, Selvig and Ward are very good mid to long range shooters, but inconsistent inside the paint. Art Steward is a great defender inside and outside, despite only being 6'5". He is a handful, and very strong. He does it a little of everything.
Will Cherry will likely be in the NBA after next year. He is one of the best defenders in the country, regardless of level. He is very quick. He is not intimidated by anyone, and believes he is the best player on the court every game. He takes the ball to the hole well, hits FT's at 78%, and close to 40% from 3, which is something he used to struggle with. He is the straw that stirs the drink.
Our other starting guard, Kareem Jamar, can fill it up fast, hits the 3 over 40%, takes the ball to the hole, but inconsistent from the FT line. He is also a great passer. Has put up a triple double, he is good for 15 ppg, 6 rpg, and 5 apg, of late at least. He is solid on defense too. He does not have a weakness.
The key for Wisconsin will be keeping Jamar and Cherry from getting this team going. Both are a handful, while doing that, a team cannot sleep on Selvig, Ward, and Steward too.
The GRIZ Defense is hard to prepare for, being they don't rely on any one kind of defense. They play all the defenses well. Wisconsin will have a hand full in this one.
It should be a great game.
Late note: 2 things that can make a difference, favoring the GRIZ.
Assistant Coach, Freddie Owens has to know the ins and outs of Wisconsin, and what to expect from Ryan.
Montana is use to playing a lot of altitude games, compared to Wisconsin.
that is deceptive...they shoot for the 3 and if UM plays the defense they have the past couple months, UW is in for a real struggle...The Griz have no real high scorer...they ALL shoot....going to be interesting since UM is one of the best defensive teams, has a guard that can steal event a careful pass....badger007 said:
Having spent a few years in Montana and moving back to Wisconsin I must say I admire the loyalty your fanbase has to 'it's team'. It was truly Griz fans being the Packer fans of the West. Utter admiration and devotedness to the team.
Here is my assessment knowing both teams really well (and continue to follow the Griz beyond casual but definitely a badger fan first and foremost).
Jordan Taylor is by far the best player in this game and it's not close. Cherry is the quickest player on the court but I definitely see Taylor having a distinct advantage due to size if Cherry is on him. If Jamar is on him Taylor is much quicker and can take it to the hole either way. Taylor will have his patented jumper with 3 seconds left on the shot clock on more than a few equations.
Jamar is the best shooter in this game. He really benefits well from Cherry's penetration. I actually agree in the assessment of some that the Griz have better guards. Very true but what is being ignored is Taylor is, by far, the best guard in this game.
Selvig is going to have a ton of trouble with Berggren. Selvig is pretty soft inside and, while Jared is as well he is much more physical than Selvig. Both are good shooters from the perimeter.
It comes down to Ryan Evans or Steward as being the X Factor. I see Evans being the guy elevating Wisconsin to a victory in this game. Going to be a battle. If I was a Griz fan I would be extremely concerned about how weak the Big Sky was this year in terms of RPI and how only 2 of your last 14 wins have come against teams with an RPI over 200. I consider guys like Stockton, Ward, Wilson, Gasser, Bruiser, role fillers. Capable of going for 20 or 0 any given day.
You have a decent team but it's definitely not been a Big Sky conference as strong as a couple of years ago when Johnson went off. What isnt' taken into consideration (and I think we all can be homers) is the Big Ten is the strongest conference in the nation this year and the Big Sky is a low major that is in a 'down year'.
I do agree with your fans assessment that you have the best guards in this game but the level of competition, strength of the Big Ten conference, Badgers having the toughest defense in the nation it's going to be a typical Badger victory. Something like 58-52.
Here is my assessment knowing both teams really well (and continue to follow the Griz beyond casual but definitely a badger fan first and foremost).
Jordan Taylor is by far the best player in this game and it's not close. Cherry is the quickest player on the court but I definitely see Taylor having a distinct advantage due to size if Cherry is on him. If Jamar is on him Taylor is much quicker and can take it to the hole either way. Taylor will have his patented jumper with 3 seconds left on the shot clock on more than a few equations.
Jamar is the best shooter in this game. He really benefits well from Cherry's penetration. I actually agree in the assessment of some that the Griz have better guards. Very true but what is being ignored is Taylor is, by far, the best guard in this game.
Selvig is going to have a ton of trouble with Berggren. Selvig is pretty soft inside and, while Jared is as well he is much more physical than Selvig. Both are good shooters from the perimeter.
It comes down to Ryan Evans or Steward as being the X Factor. I see Evans being the guy elevating Wisconsin to a victory in this game. Going to be a battle. If I was a Griz fan I would be extremely concerned about how weak the Big Sky was this year in terms of RPI and how only 2 of your last 14 wins have come against teams with an RPI over 200. I consider guys like Stockton, Ward, Wilson, Gasser, Bruiser, role fillers. Capable of going for 20 or 0 any given day.
You have a decent team but it's definitely not been a Big Sky conference as strong as a couple of years ago when Johnson went off. What isnt' taken into consideration (and I think we all can be homers) is the Big Ten is the strongest conference in the nation this year and the Big Sky is a low major that is in a 'down year'.
I do agree with your fans assessment that you have the best guards in this game but the level of competition, strength of the Big Ten conference, Badgers having the toughest defense in the nation it's going to be a typical Badger victory. Something like 58-52.
I'll ask this in the most polite way possible, but is there a proper way to judge the quality of your program?
Jeff Sagarin has the Big Sky ranked 25th and the Big Ten ranked 1st.
Also, it is puzzling to see a 25-point loss to Oregon State and one point win over University of Great Falls. Were there any circumstances to those games other than it being early in the season?
Even Weber State seemed to have some trouble when going up against quality teams in their non-conference slate. They played St. Mary's, BYU and Cal (all tournament teams) and lost by a combined 65 points in those three games.
Jeff Sagarin has the Big Sky ranked 25th and the Big Ten ranked 1st.
Also, it is puzzling to see a 25-point loss to Oregon State and one point win over University of Great Falls. Were there any circumstances to those games other than it being early in the season?
Even Weber State seemed to have some trouble when going up against quality teams in their non-conference slate. They played St. Mary's, BYU and Cal (all tournament teams) and lost by a combined 65 points in those three games.
"packer fans of the west" wtf is that :lol:
Evizzerate
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I'll take a shot: Has Wisconsin ever had a close game with one of the hyphenated UW+ Green Bay or Milw schools? I was at the University of GF game , behind our bench, and will say that this game is kind of the annual preseason scrimmage game we have every year. This year the entire team went into that game expecting the usual 40 point blowout and got shocked. The Griz ran into a really athletic fired up bunch , perhaps UGF's best team ever. Great Falls came in and they thought they were going to pull off an Appalachian State vs Michigan. They almost did.badger007 said:
The Griz team of the last 2 months, with the lineup and roles established is a different team and playing very well. I know our schedule sucks but the Long Beach State was a good win for us and we have improved steadily since then.
mtgrizrule
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I am watching CBS Sports Network now. Wally Sczerbiak (sp?) and the other coach, picked the GRIZ to upset Wisconsin. Then they added, Vandy will beat Montana, but not be surprised if the GRIZ win that one too. In general they believe Montana will be a handful for anyone. :thumb:
Evizzerate
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With a good dose of Stockton beatin' on him maybe.DuCharme said:
