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Griz/EWU RPI
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The only reason EWU's RPI is so high is because they were able to schedule games against Washington and Gonzaga. Their wins are against Idaho (236), CS Northridge (121), UC Riverside (258), and Cal Poly (317). So yes, the Griz are playing a weak schedule, but its not like EWU is getting any strong wins either. They're just losing to teams ranked high in the RPI. Hard to judge at this point.
I like the Sagarin ratings to add on to the RPI. Takes into account for the scores as well. It's great that a team plays a tough schedule, but if they get beat by 15-20 every night, does it really mean anything? The RPI is nice for seeing who a team has played and beaten, but can be misleading since schedules can vary so much and all it takes is to play a couple of top 50 RPI's to boost it, even if you lose. Take Delaware State as an example. They're RPI is 85, but they're record is 2-8. There's no way they should be ranked this high, but because their opponents have good winning percentages, it boosts their RPI even with their poor winning percentage.
Sagarin Ratings (RPI):
Montana......................70 (95)
Idaho State................137 (111)
Portland State.............141 (119)
Eastern Washington.....147 (113)
Sacramento State........167 (172)
Montana State.............213 (274)
Northern Arizona.........240 (285)
Weber State................268 (290)
So look at MSU. They are near the bottom of the RPI, but since they've narrowly lost most of their games, they're probably a better team than what their record (and RPI) indicates. I think MSU is going to be a scary team come conference. We'll see how Stuckey responds come conference now that he's developed a name for himself. BSC teams are going to key on him and see if EWU has anybody else who can carry the load. It's going to be fun to watch and no game is a gimme for anybody.
I like the Sagarin ratings to add on to the RPI. Takes into account for the scores as well. It's great that a team plays a tough schedule, but if they get beat by 15-20 every night, does it really mean anything? The RPI is nice for seeing who a team has played and beaten, but can be misleading since schedules can vary so much and all it takes is to play a couple of top 50 RPI's to boost it, even if you lose. Take Delaware State as an example. They're RPI is 85, but they're record is 2-8. There's no way they should be ranked this high, but because their opponents have good winning percentages, it boosts their RPI even with their poor winning percentage.
Sagarin Ratings (RPI):
Montana......................70 (95)
Idaho State................137 (111)
Portland State.............141 (119)
Eastern Washington.....147 (113)
Sacramento State........167 (172)
Montana State.............213 (274)
Northern Arizona.........240 (285)
Weber State................268 (290)
So look at MSU. They are near the bottom of the RPI, but since they've narrowly lost most of their games, they're probably a better team than what their record (and RPI) indicates. I think MSU is going to be a scary team come conference. We'll see how Stuckey responds come conference now that he's developed a name for himself. BSC teams are going to key on him and see if EWU has anybody else who can carry the load. It's going to be fun to watch and no game is a gimme for anybody.
kalm
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Nice post M Gym Rat. I'll keep a closer eye on sagarin from now on.
Permit me me a little homerism for a second and point out that our win against Northridge had fair quality as they beat USC and Tulsa to start the season, and have a winning record (5-3). Also, our next 3 opponents - at Boise and BYU, San Diego - all have winning records as well. So I think we'll know quite a bit more about Eastern after this week.
That being said we are young and as a result inconsistent. We could go either way. Stuckey is the #1 scoring freshman in the nation and will start receiving more attention. But our scoring in general is WAY improved over the last couple years. Kellen Williams had a nice first half against the Zags, and our leading rebounder Paul Butorac scored 16 the other night. So I think we have the guns to be competitive in conference, even with Stuckey getting double teamed. We'll just have to see. But I for one am excited.
Permit me me a little homerism for a second and point out that our win against Northridge had fair quality as they beat USC and Tulsa to start the season, and have a winning record (5-3). Also, our next 3 opponents - at Boise and BYU, San Diego - all have winning records as well. So I think we'll know quite a bit more about Eastern after this week.
That being said we are young and as a result inconsistent. We could go either way. Stuckey is the #1 scoring freshman in the nation and will start receiving more attention. But our scoring in general is WAY improved over the last couple years. Kellen Williams had a nice first half against the Zags, and our leading rebounder Paul Butorac scored 16 the other night. So I think we have the guns to be competitive in conference, even with Stuckey getting double teamed. We'll just have to see. But I for one am excited.
Montana Gym Rat said:
The Bobcats are starting to wake up. Nick Dissly has been very quiet all year, until the overtime period against Denver where he went off for 10 points. The team is looking better each game, I think. It will be very scary for any future Bobcat opponent if Nick Dissly plays like he's capable of playing. BTW, nice analysis Montana Gym Rat. That little game on Jan. 14 in Bozeman is going to be a fun one.
At the end of the year, the RPI usually gives the best idea because of the amount of games everybody plays, and it benefits the stronger conference (i.e. major) so that they get more teams in. But the RPI only starts out the procedure, then they look at quality wins and bad losses to set teams apart from each other. There's a voting process between the board to decide who gets what seeds, and then the regional placing will a lot of times change the seeds. Washington was a 3 seed I believe coming out of the seeding process last season, but they were the highest ranked team in the west, so they get a 1 seed.
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