Georgia Southern's Bowl Waiver Request Denied

[Silvertip]

GSU, only one year into the FBS and already winners of Conference USA, were turned down by the NCAA which in an effort to discourage defections to the FBS requires a one year waiting period before a team becomes bowl eligible. GSU was 9 - 3 on the season.

In the long run, the NCAA's finger in the dike policy will have little effect on those determined to make the move out of the FCS.

 

[GrizPony]

One more reason to not move up!

 

[IdaGriz01]

So some marginal 6-6 team will get a bowl slot, while an exciting 9-3 team stays home. Sounds like the NCAA, all right.

 

[Silvertip]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

So some marginal 6-6 team will get a bowl slot, while an exciting 9-3 team stays home. Sounds like the NCAA, all right.

It sure does sound like the effn loonies are still running the ncaa

 

[MrTitleist]

This is a shame, the NCAA is so fucked up on every level, this is just another reason.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Interesting to see that App State after an awful 1-5 start finished the season winning their last 6 games to go 7-5 (6-2 in conference).

Too bad Georgia Southern isn't going to be in a bowl. They gave Georgia Tech a game earlier this year (who is ranked #11 right now).

 

[GrizPony]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

 

[grizaremoregooder]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

Seems like Georgia Southern and App. St. are doing alright.

 

[Potomac Griz]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

Not trying to start a move up (or any other direction) debate, but how could the Griz be in a less moveup-able situation than some of the other teams that have moved up? Just curious. With our season ticket prices being more than probably any other FCS team out there and many very good FBS teams along with the steady stream of advertising etc etc it seems we'd be in a better position financially than many of the teams that are making the jump and many who already have.

Like I said though I'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to get a little info as to why other teams are able to make the jump that don't seem (on the surface) to have nearly as much money coming in.

 

[Silvertip]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

Not trying to start a move up (or any other direction) debate, but how could the Griz be in a less moveup-able situation than some of the other teams that have moved up? Just curious. With our season ticket prices being more than probably any other FCS team out there and many very good FBS teams along with the steady stream of advertising etc etc it seems we'd be in a better position financially than many of the teams that are making the jump and many who already have.

Like I said though I'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to get a little info as to why other teams are able to make the jump that don't seem (on the surface) to have nearly as much money coming in.

At least publically, nobody really knows if UM could make the jump, because there's never been any indication that a pencil has been put to the question. Griz fans have been left to speculate both sides of the argument. The new athletic study center and locker rooms are tangible evidence that we might be moving in that direction, but without clear vision they're just bricks and mortar supporting the status quo... G Pony's bafflement is shared by many others - but for a totally different reason.

 

[GrizPony]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

Not trying to start a move up (or any other direction) debate, but how could the Griz be in a less moveup-able situation than some of the other teams that have moved up? Just curious. With our season ticket prices being more than probably any other FCS team out there and many very good FBS teams along with the steady stream of advertising etc etc it seems we'd be in a better position financially than many of the teams that are making the jump and many who already have.

Like I said though I'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to get a little info as to why other teams are able to make the jump that don't seem (on the surface) to have nearly as much money coming in.

I don't think anyone has put the pencil to the paper like SilverT says, but it doesn't take too much to see that we are losing enrollment and the baby boomer's kids are in college now with the non-boom generation's kids coming. We are already a small town in a small population state. We have the highest ticket prices in FCS and higher than most FBS, so there is no room to really grow revenue there. We would have to have several very large, annual donors to make the extra costs of FBS. Maybe someone could drum that up but I think it is unlikely when it took ten years to get a shit weight room fixed and that is way less than an FBS move would cost....every year.

 

[behappp]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

Not trying to start a move up (or any other direction) debate, but how could the Griz be in a less moveup-able situation than some of the other teams that have moved up? Just curious. With our season ticket prices being more than probably any other FCS team out there and many very good FBS teams along with the steady stream of advertising etc etc it seems we'd be in a better position financially than many of the teams that are making the jump and many who already have.

Like I said though I'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to get a little info as to why other teams are able to make the jump that don't seem (on the surface) to have nearly as much money coming in.

I don't think anyone has put the pencil to the paper like SilverT says, but it doesn't take too much to see that we are losing enrollment and the baby boomer's kids are in college now with the non-boom generation's kids coming. We are already a small town in a small population state. We have the highest ticket prices in FCS and higher than most FBS, so there is no room to really grow revenue there. We would have to have several very large, annual donors to make the extra costs of FBS. Maybe someone could drum that up but I think it is unlikely when it took ten years to get a shit weight room fixed and that is way less than an FBS move would cost....every year.

GrizPony,

Your analysis is right on.

I'm worried that sometime in the next 3-4 years we will be forced to do something - FCS could be doomed as we know it as well as non-BCS FBS.

The next few years could be our last chance at a National Championship of any kind. I love the playoffs. I love having home playoff games. I have no desire to throw it all away for a chance every few years to play in the "Drano Toilet Bowl" or some such thing.

Those who want to move up may want to watch out for what they ask for, you just might get it. Those that want to be greedy may want to go back and read the tale of the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Move up to what? Where? Has some unknown conference extended an invitation?

 

[PlayerRep]

Move up to what? Where? Has some unknown conference extended an invitation?

Maybe the Pac-12 will want UM because the hoops team took Cal to double OT, but lost by 2.

 

[grizaremoregooder]

I think the grizzly faithful are holding out for a Mountain West invitation. That is probably a lot like Clark Grizwald's cousin Ed holding out for an upper management position however.

 

[TxGriz]

G Pony: As if GSU had known they'd have to wait a whole 365 days for bowl eligibility they'd have stayed in the FCS...oh yeah...zzzzzz

I don't know how you can think we would have the money to move up and compete. It baffles me.

Not trying to start a move up (or any other direction) debate, but how could the Griz be in a less moveup-able situation than some of the other teams that have moved up? Just curious. With our season ticket prices being more than probably any other FCS team out there and many very good FBS teams along with the steady stream of advertising etc etc it seems we'd be in a better position financially than many of the teams that are making the jump and many who already have.

Like I said though I'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to get a little info as to why other teams are able to make the jump that don't seem (on the surface) to have nearly as much money coming in.

UM and MSU are joined at the hip so one cannot move up without the other. If both moved up at the same time to preserve the in state rivalry (I know - what "rivalry"?) it would bring along a statewide television audience of 900,000+ where college football is the biggest draw in the state. It is something Montana could bring to the FBS table, something like the state of Nebraska, adjusted for population scale.

 

[dupuyer griz]

What I want to know is why everyone wants the NCAA to change a rule they have in effect because a team did well. It's been that way for a long time. It was a known going in. I hate the NCAA, but changing rules to make everyone feel better is really starting to piss me off lately.

 

[IdaGriz01]

What I want to know is why everyone wants the NCAA to change a rule they have in effect because a team did well. It's been that way for a long time. It was a known going in. I hate the NCAA, but changing rules to make everyone feel better is really starting to piss me off lately.

The fact that a team did well isn't the point, IMO. It just highlights the fact that a particular rule makes no sense, and never made any sense.

What, exactly, was ever the point of this rule? To discourage teams from moving up? Why would the NCAA want to do that?

Given all the financial factors involved, does it seem likely that the rule about bowl eligibility would have any (or very much) bearing on the decision to move up? I don't think so.

If they did change the rule, would programs suddenly line up to make the jump? I don't think so.

So, whatever the original rationale for this rule was, now it just seems like another nit the NCAA wants to pick for no particular reason at all.