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Game this Saturday at Dahlberg?

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johnluckpickard

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Am I correct that even if we dont win the conference, we will have the quarterfinal game this Saturday?
I was looking at the conference website, and I am just making sure I am understanding this right.
Yes?
 
Chances are, yes there will be. Most likely we'll be the 3rd seed playing against EWU here in Missoula on Saturday. There is 1 scenario where we end up third, and it's the most likely one in my opinion (Scenario #1 listed below). We could still host the tournament too, which is scenario #4 and 5, but requires a loss by both UNC and Weber. The other 3 scenarios would put us as a 2 seed where we'd get a first round bye, and not host a game.

WSU has EWU at home as the only game they have left.
UNC has ISU on the road, and Sac State at home as their 2 final games. They play ISU on the road tonight.

Here are the scenarios I can think of... hopefully they are correct, and I'm not wrong with how the tiebreakers work in a 3 way tie..

Scenario #1 - WSU beats EWU at home, and UNC wins both of their games, UNC wins the regular season title (1 seed) and WSU gets the 2 seed due to them having the tiebreaker over us (they beat NAU twice). We get the 3 seed and host a first round game. This is the most likely scenario I think.

Scenario #2 - WSU beats EWU at home, and UNC drops one of their games, WSU wins the regular season title since they have the tiebreaker over both of us (they beat NAU twice). We end up as a 2 seed as we hold the tiebreaker over UNC (RPI). UNC is the 3 seed. We don't host a game in this scenario, but get a first round bye.

Scenario #3 - WSU loses to EWU at home, and UNC wins their 2 games. UNC wins the regular season title, we get the 2 seed and do not host a first round game (but get a first round bye), and WSU gets the 3 seed.

Scenario #4 - WSU loses to EWU at home, and UNC loses one of their games. The Griz get to host the tournament, as we'd have a better record than WSU, and we have the tiebreaker over UNC (RPI). UNC takes the 2 seed, and WSU gets the 3 seed.

Scenario #5 - WSU loses to EWU at home, and UNC loses both of their games. The Griz get to host the tournament, as we'd have a better record than both teams. WSU gets the 2 seed, and UNC gets the 3.

Scenario #6 - WSU beats EWU at home, and UNC loses both of their games. WSU wins the regular season title and hosts the tournament. The Griz get a 2 seed, and UNC gets a 3.
 
Dexter X said:
Chances are, yes there will be. Most likely we'll be the 3rd seed playing against EWU here in Missoula on Saturday. There is 1 scenario where we end up third, and it's the most likely one in my opinion (Scenario #1 listed below). We could still host the tournament too, which is scenario #4 and 5, but requires a loss by both UNC and Weber. The other 3 scenarios would put us as a 2 seed where we'd get a first round bye, and not host a game.

WSU has EWU at home as the only game they have left.
UNC has ISU on the road, and Sac State at home as their 2 final games. They play ISU on the road tonight.

Here are the scenarios I can think of... hopefully they are correct, and I'm not wrong with how the tiebreakers work in a 3 way tie..

Scenario #1 - WSU beats EWU at home, and UNC wins both of their games, UNC wins the regular season title (1 seed) and WSU gets the 2 seed due to them having the tiebreaker over us (they beat NAU twice). We get the 3 seed and host a first round game. This is the most likely scenario I think.

Scenario #2 - WSU beats EWU at home, and UNC drops one of their games, WSU wins the regular season title since they have the tiebreaker over both of us (they beat NAU twice). We end up as a 2 seed as we hold the tiebreaker over UNC (RPI). UNC is the 3 seed. We don't host a game in this scenario, but get a first round bye.

Scenario #3 - WSU loses to EWU at home, and UNC wins their 2 games. UNC wins the regular season title, we get the 2 seed and do not host a first round game (but get a first round bye), and WSU gets the 3 seed.

Scenario #4 - WSU loses to EWU at home, and UNC loses one of their games. The Griz get to host the tournament, as we'd have a better record than WSU, and we have the tiebreaker over UNC (RPI). UNC takes the 2 seed, and WSU gets the 3 seed.

Scenario #5 - WSU loses to EWU at home, and UNC loses both of their games. The Griz get to host the tournament, as we'd have a better record than both teams. WSU gets the 2 seed, and UNC gets the 3.

Scenario #6 - WSU beats EWU at home, and UNC loses both of their games. WSU wins the regular season title and hosts the tournament. The Griz get a 2 seed, and UNC gets a 3.
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since Griz lost to EWU, and Northern Colorado beat EWU twice, RPI cannot factor into any scenario PERIOD. Since Northern Colorado is playing the lowest teams in the standings, Northern Colorado has a tie breaker over Montana because they swept EWU, and Montana did not. WSU has a tiebreaker over both UNC and UM due to sweeping NAU. since EWU is going to finish ahead of both the the teams that UNC is playing, and when going from top to bottom, UNC is going to win any tiebreaker with UM in event that UNC is tied with UM. UM to finish ahead of UNC, UNC has to lose both games.


So, the only scenarios are these:

scenario 1: WSU wins, Northern Colorado wins both: Northern Colorado is 1st, WSU is second, UM is third.

scenario 2: WSU wins, Northern Colorado Splits: WSU is 1st, UNC is 2nd, UM is third.

scenario 3: WSU wins, Northern Colorado loses both: WSU is 1st, UM is second, UNC is 3rd.

scenario 4: WSU loses, Northern Colorado loses both: UM is 1st, WSU is second, UNC is 3rd.

scenario 5 & 6: WSU loses, Northern Colorado splits or wins both: UNC is 1st, UM is second, WSU is 3rd.
 
King is correct. The only way we host is if weebs and unc lose their remaining games. The most likely scenario is that we finish 3rd and get to put the beat-down on Eastern that we should have on Saturday so that we wouldn't have had to have this conversation.
 
GrizBBIsKing said:
since Griz lost to EWU, and Northern Colorado beat EWU twice, RPI cannot factor into any scenario PERIOD. Since Northern Colorado is playing the lowest teams in the standings, Northern Colorado has a tie breaker over Montana because they swept EWU, and Montana did not. WSU has a tiebreaker over both UNC and UM due to sweeping NAU. since EWU is going to finish ahead of both the the teams that UNC is playing, and when going from top to bottom, UNC is going to win any tiebreaker with UM in event that UNC is tied with UM. UM to finish ahead of UNC, UNC has to lose both games.


So, the only scenarios are these:

scenario 1: WSU wins, Northern Colorado wins both: Northern Colorado is 1st, WSU is second, UM is third.

scenario 2: WSU wins, Northern Colorado Splits: WSU is 1st, UNC is 2nd, UM is third.

scenario 3: WSU wins, Northern Colorado loses both: WSU is 1st, UM is second, UNC is 3rd.

scenario 4: WSU loses, Northern Colorado loses both: UM is 1st, WSU is second, UNC is 3rd.

scenario 5 & 6: WSU loses, Northern Colorado splits or wins both: UNC is 1st, UM is second, WSU is 3rd.
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Crap..you are right. I forgot about UNC beating EWU twice....man that EWU loss really sucks :(
 
Dexter X said:
GrizBBIsKing said:
since Griz lost to EWU, and Northern Colorado beat EWU twice, RPI cannot factor into any scenario PERIOD. Since Northern Colorado is playing the lowest teams in the standings, Northern Colorado has a tie breaker over Montana because they swept EWU, and Montana did not. WSU has a tiebreaker over both UNC and UM due to sweeping NAU. since EWU is going to finish ahead of both the the teams that UNC is playing, and when going from top to bottom, UNC is going to win any tiebreaker with UM in event that UNC is tied with UM. UM to finish ahead of UNC, UNC has to lose both games.


So, the only scenarios are these:

scenario 1: WSU wins, Northern Colorado wins both: Northern Colorado is 1st, WSU is second, UM is third.

scenario 2: WSU wins, Northern Colorado Splits: WSU is 1st, UNC is 2nd, UM is third.

scenario 3: WSU wins, Northern Colorado loses both: WSU is 1st, UM is second, UNC is 3rd.

scenario 4: WSU loses, Northern Colorado loses both: UM is 1st, WSU is second, UNC is 3rd.

scenario 5 & 6: WSU loses, Northern Colorado splits or wins both: UNC is 1st, UM is second, WSU is 3rd.
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Crap..you are right. I forgot about UNC beating EWU twice....man that EWU loss really sucks :(
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Our fate was in our own hands. We blew it.
 
Does anyone else think getting the 3 seed isn't all that bad? Obviously hosting the tournament is the ideal situation. However, given the circumstances I feel better about having the 3 seed and a home quarter final game than the 2 seed.

If the Griz get the 2 seed they would have a week and a half off then have to go win on the road to make it to the championship game. Assuming they win a home playoff game they can carry some momentum into the tournament and potentially play a rusty two seed.

Obviously this isn't the dream scenario, but I always think the the two seed has a tough road in the tournament. I guess its the old question of whether time off is good or bad, but thats my $.02.
 
Rather we are a 2 or 3, I hope this team rests Cherry until game time, and practices nothing, but perimeter shots, with the exception of Qvale and Hutchison.

I am not joking either, when they are not game planning, nothing but shooting.
 
Montana made to the NCAA tournament being a 3 seed before. they can do it again.

Right now, the Griz aren't playing well. They do not have any momentum carrying them into the tournament. So, having a game at home may allow them to gain some momentum. Maybe regain that mojo they seemed to have had in earlier part of the conference. If they lose, they likely wouldn't have won if they were 2nd place. So, maybe, this home game will be beneficial. Hope So.
 
Weren't we a 4 seed last year at 10-6? Weber was 1, UNC was 2, Cats were 3, We were 4, NAU was 5, and PSU was 6. PSU beat the Cats in Bozeman, and went on to lose to Weber in the semis. We beat NAU here, then played UNC in the semis.

In 2004-2005 it looks like we must've been a 3 seed at 9-5. We played EWU in the first round at home & MSU in Portland in the 2nd round, then Weber in the finals.

So playing in the first round isn't always bad :)

If EWU and the Cats both lose, who has the tiebreaker there? Who would be the 5, and who would be the 6? Kind of wondering if we are a 3 if we are guaranteed to play EWU again, or if there is a possibility if the Cats lose that we play them for a 3rd time this year.
 
Dexter X said:
Weren't we a 4 seed last year at 10-6? Weber was 1, UNC was 2, Cats were 3, We were 4, NAU was 5, and PSU was 6. PSU beat the Cats in Bozeman, and went on to lose to Weber in the semis. We beat NAU here, then played UNC in the semis.

In 2004-2005 it looks like we must've been a 3 seed at 9-5. We played EWU in the first round at home & MSU in Portland in the 2nd round, then Weber in the finals.

So playing in the first round isn't always bad :)

If EWU and the Cats both lose, who has the tiebreaker there? Who would be the 5, and who would be the 6? Kind of wondering if we are a 3 if we are guaranteed to play EWU again, or if there is a possibility if the Cats lose that we play them for a 3rd time this year.
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Cats would because they beat WSU and EWU would not have. So, Griz vs EWU.

If EWU loses and Cats win, Griz versus EWU.

If EWU wins, Griz don't play.
 
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