Fullerton: Take BSC to FBS and add NDSU?

[AZGrizFan]

And then there's ISU. Sigh. I say screw the WAC and Elevate the top half of the BSC. Add NDSU, Idaho and 'Poly. WAC survivors will come hat in hand to join that.

The only WAC survivor you left out is NMSU.

 

[kemajic]

And then there's ISU. Sigh. I say screw the WAC and Elevate the top half of the BSC. Add NDSU, Idaho and 'Poly. WAC survivors will come hat in hand to join that.

Uh....we weren't IN the top half of the BSC last year. :? :? :shock:

Right; performance decisions are made on a one year basis. No members are close to #1 on a longer term basis (10-25 years). And revenue, revenue potential and academic horsepower are stronger determinants than the WL anyhow. We averaged over 25,000 in a historically down year. MSU was the only other BSC program in five figures. Sundberg said season ticket sales are right on track again.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And then there's ISU. Sigh. I say screw the WAC and Elevate the top half of the BSC. Add NDSU, Idaho and 'Poly. WAC survivors will come hat in hand to join that.

Uh....we weren't IN the top half of the BSC last year. :? :? :shock:

Right; performance decisions are made on a one year basis. No members are close to #1 on a longer term basis (10-25 years). And revenue, revenue potential and academic horsepower are stronger determinants than the WL anyhow. We averaged over 25,000 in a historically down year. MSU was the only other BSC program in five figures. Sundberg said season ticket sales are right on track again.

I was being facetious. Joking. Kidding. Making a funny. Ha Ha.

Have that funny bone surgically reimplanted... :mrgreen:

 

[kemajic]

[Nottingham Field (UNC) holds 8,500. Still pretty small.

Irrelevant when they can't fill it. 4700 last year on a nice day for Montana and homecoming. And their most successful year in the BSC and beer in the concessions.

True, but 8 years of bad football will decimate any programs fan base. When we were winning in D2 it was always pretty close to filling up. And don't pretend Montana hasn't ever struggled with attendance. Tired of going over the same thing with you.

Then quit trying to defend the indefensible. I suspect these days Colorado has lost its football fans to mj agronomy and anti-gun protests. It's not like everyone goes to CSU or CU games either. It's been nearly 30 years since Montana has had any attendance struggles - pretty weak argument that that is relevant.

 

[BigSkyBears]

[Nottingham Field (UNC) holds 8,500. Still pretty small.

Irrelevant when they can't fill it. 4700 last year on a nice day for Montana and homecoming. And their most successful year in the BSC and beer in the concessions.

True, but 8 years of bad football will decimate any programs fan base. When we were winning in D2 it was always pretty close to filling up. And don't pretend Montana hasn't ever struggled with attendance. Tired of going over the same thing with you.

Then quit trying to defend the indefensible. I suspect these days Colorado has lost its football fans to mj agronomy and anti-gun protests. It's not like everyone goes to CSU or CU games either. It's been nearly 30 years since Montana has had any attendance struggles - pretty weak argument that that is relevant.

Stop pretending Montana is Notre Dame or USC. You're not. You've struggled in the past just as UNC is struggling now. Don't be so arrogant.

As you've noted, CU and CSU don't draw that great either. College football just isn't a huge deal in CO. It's a pro sports state, that's just the way it is.

 

[ordigger]

Name one conference that "moved up." There is no such thing, nor will there be. The five FBS tweener conferences have no incentive to team up with the Big Sky. Teaming up only means there's one more conference to share body bag game revenue with. As it is, the ban on FCS games by the bigs works well for tweener conferences.
Any school that wants to join FBS is going to have to go it alone. Now that the WAC is gone, a move to the FBS for a western school is going to be very very difficult if not impossible.

Don't even have to leave the state. The Frontier conference used to be in NAIA Div II, now they are in NAIA Div I.

 

[RABIDAWG]

Name one conference that "moved up." There is no such thing, nor will there be. The five FBS tweener conferences have no incentive to team up with the Big Sky. Teaming up only means there's one more conference to share body bag game revenue with. As it is, the ban on FCS games by the bigs works well for tweener conferences.
Any school that wants to join FBS is going to have to go it alone. Now that the WAC is gone, a move to the FBS for a western school is going to be very very difficult if not impossible.

Don't even have to leave the state. The Frontier conference used to be in NAIA Div II, now they are in NAIA Div I.

And damn fun football too...even if you are an evil Tech Digger!

 

[RABIDAWG]

Good grief! Don't these folks with their cockamammy conference alignments pay attention to what's been going on for the past 18 months. The MWC is set, the PAC12 is beyond reach, the Sun Belt and ConferenceUSA are non starters and the WAC is a handful of left behinds searching for an identity. Montana is paying the price for a series of administrations that have sat on their backsides waiting - waiting for what? The moment has come and gone for the foreseeable future...

I dont' think it matters what the administration wants. The board of regents pay the bills, and they're not interested in spending any more than they do now.

With all the budget cut talks, UofM administration is probably looking at a Division II budget, and fortifying the French & Arabic courses!

You are wrong Dawg. Football revenue will be directed to expanding the Gender Studies Program. Which is mystifying as I never needed an instructor to study my own gender, nor needed one to frequently study the other gender.

I wonder if they have a Molli course on that...I could use a refresher! :thumb:

 

[Jerry Punch]

And then there's ISU. Sigh. I say screw the WAC and Elevate the top half of the BSC. Add NDSU, Idaho and 'Poly. WAC survivors will come hat in hand to join that.

Uh....we weren't IN the top half of the BSC last year. :? :? :shock:

Right; performance decisions are made on a one year basis. No members are close to #1 on a longer term basis (10-25 years). And revenue, revenue potential and academic horsepower are stronger determinants than the WL anyhow. We averaged over 25,000 in a historically down year. MSU was the only other BSC program in five figures. Sundberg said season ticket sales are right on track again.

This is a rather humorous and ironic argument. It is regularly pointed out that Cat fans revel too long in their glory days while it appears UM is exempt from such a critique. College football is a what have you done lately for me sport. It happens in each season and is the reason why a team can suffer a loss better in September than they can in late November. It's the reason why poll voters and the BCS favor teams that play better recently, rather than a few weeks ago.

UM had a bad season last year. Going into this season that's what they will be remembered for by fans and voters outside of the program, not years of historical dominance that last produced a national championship in 2001.

Case in point: Notre Dame football. The school suffered years of mediocrity only to rebound this year and have an excellent season with only one loss. Because I like Notre Dame, I'll remember the entire season for the come back wins, the road win against Oklahoma, etc. But the voters, BCS and regular fans will only remember the national title game in which they got exposed. We can argue how Notre Dame used to be good and has the tradition of excellence, but it is meaningless at the beginning of the season and even less meaningful when we look back at the national championship in January.

 

[Bisonation]

NDSU has zero interest, this article in the und owned newspaper (yes, they own the writers, total schills) basically shows the desperation of und NEEDING NDSU.....like it always done. Und can't afford the big fluffy travel and let's all face it, your conference doesn't like flying into Fargo then bussing to grand forks does it?

NDSU football deserves FBS, this football program is that good. many Olympic sports at NDSU are FBS already. Wrestling top 25, softball top 25, track top 10 and a top 5 women's golfer.

We advocate MONTANA & NDSU package themselves to the mountain west.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just came across this para from UNI's move-up feasibility study in 2010.

"The increased revenue sources realized from playing at the FBS level will not offset the increased expenses, which will result in a net institutional subsidy increase of $3,446,450 in FY 2015 when compared to continuing to play at the FCS football scholarship level."

Thus, a $3.5 million loss for UNI to move up. Note that this factors in additional revenues from moving up.

 

[getgrizzy]

Just came across this para from UNI's move-up feasibility study in 2010.

"The increased revenue sources realized from playing at the FBS level will not offset the increased expenses, which will result in a net institutional subsidy increase of $3,446,450 in FY 2015 when compared to continuing to play at the FCS football scholarship level."

Thus, a $3.5 million loss for UNI to move up. Note that this factors in additional revenues from moving up.

and it might be even bigger here. the current legislative makeup would just laugh at this idea.

 

[getgrizzy]

NDSU has zero interest, this article in the und owned newspaper (yes, they own the writers, total schills) basically shows the desperation of und NEEDING NDSU.....like it always done. Und can't afford the big fluffy travel and let's all face it, your conference doesn't like flying into Fargo then bussing to grand forks does it?

NDSU football deserves FBS, this football program is that good. many Olympic sports at NDSU are FBS already. Wrestling top 25, softball top 25, track top 10 and a top 5 women's golfer.

We advocate MONTANA & NDSU package themselves to the mountain west.

sorry but ndsu has very little that resembles fbs football. indoor stadium-fail. off campus stadium-fail. craig bohl isn't staying around much longer, so those wins will dry up fast.

 

[Brock Landers]

And then there's ISU. Sigh. I say screw the WAC and Elevate the top half of the BSC. Add NDSU, Idaho and 'Poly. WAC survivors will come hat in hand to join that.

Uh....we weren't IN the top half of the BSC last year. :? :? :shock:

Right; performance decisions are made on a one year basis. No members are close to #1 on a longer term basis (10-25 years). And revenue, revenue potential and academic horsepower are stronger determinants than the WL anyhow. We averaged over 25,000 in a historically down year. MSU was the only other BSC program in five figures. Sundberg said season ticket sales are right on track again.

This is a rather humorous and ironic argument. It is regularly pointed out that Cat fans revel too long in their glory days while it appears UM is exempt from such a critique. College football is a what have you done lately for me sport. It happens in each season and is the reason why a team can suffer a loss better in September than they can in late November. It's the reason why poll voters and the BCS favor teams that play better recently, rather than a few weeks ago.

UM had a bad season last year. Going into this season that's what they will be remembered for by fans and voters outside of the program, not years of historical dominance that last produced a national championship in 2001.

Case in point: Notre Dame football. The school suffered years of mediocrity only to rebound this year and have an excellent season with only one loss. Because I like Notre Dame, I'll remember the entire season for the come back wins, the road win against Oklahoma, etc. But the voters, BCS and regular fans will only remember the national title game in which they got exposed. We can argue how Notre Dame used to be good and has the tradition of excellence, but it is meaningless at the beginning of the season and even less meaningful when we look back at the national championship in January.

Ok, first, talk about apples and oranges. Our last two runs were all of 1.5 and 3.5 years ago...

And second, way to completely miss the point of Kem's post. I like that you bring up Notre Dame though. 20+ years of struggles on the field and yet they're still the most coveted program in FBS

 

[Jerry Punch]

Coveted in the eyes of Notre Dame fans. Ask Alabama fans or the top 5 teams in the SEC if they covet Notre Dame.

So, what did I miss about the "what have you done lately" for me argument? I know fans of individual programs reject that notion, as you have, but the people who matter usually do not.

 

[EverettGriz]

Coveted in the eyes of Notre Dame fans. Ask Alabama fans or the top 5 teams in the SEC if they covet Notre Dame.

So, what did I miss about the "what have you done lately" for me argument? I know fans of individual programs reject that notion, as you have, but the people who matter usually do not.

Geez, you're dumb.

 

[grizrgood]

Coveted in the eyes of Notre Dame fans. Ask Alabama fans or the top 5 teams in the SEC if they covet Notre Dame.

So, what did I miss about the "what have you done lately" for me argument? I know fans of individual programs reject that notion, as you have, but the people who matter usually do not.

Geez, you're dumb.

:lol: Will it ever end?

 

[Brock Landers]

Coveted in the eyes of Notre Dame fans. Ask Alabama fans or the top 5 teams in the SEC if they covet Notre Dame.

So, what did I miss about the "what have you done lately" for me argument? I know fans of individual programs reject that notion, as you have, but the people who matter usually do not.

Are you serious? Is this guy serious?

Yep, conference and subdivision affiliations are being determined by single season win-loss records and ND is not a lucrative program for any conference to land because they're not as good as Bama

 

[kemajic]

Coveted in the eyes of Notre Dame fans. Ask Alabama fans or the top 5 teams in the SEC if they covet Notre Dame.

So, what did I miss about the "what have you done lately" for me argument? I know fans of individual programs reject that notion, as you have, but the people who matter usually do not.

Who are "the people who matter?" You?

 

[Jerry Punch]

Coveted in the eyes of Notre Dame fans. Ask Alabama fans or the top 5 teams in the SEC if they covet Notre Dame.

So, what did I miss about the "what have you done lately" for me argument? I know fans of individual programs reject that notion, as you have, but the people who matter usually do not.

Who are "the people who matter?" You?

Voters in polls and the selection committee. So no, not me.