FLOPPING

[dancingbear]

FLOPPING...........A dying art. Not that I'm a fan of of this ancient art. Perfected by Karl Malone of the Utah Jazz but this is an effective way to deal with an overly aggressive offensive player down in the paint.

Friday afternoon in our game against Eastern Selvig was guarding their #11 down low. This guy was pushing and shoving Selvig around and of course Selvig gets called for his 4th foul. Ball out again and same thing happens and Selvig gets his 5th. If Selvig had established position and then when #11 backed into him he should have hit the floor. At worst #11 scores but Selvig is still in the game or best thing #11 gets an offensive foul.

I think this is something Tinkle should use especially against taller and stronger opponents. It's a timing thing but after a few trips down the floor a defensive man can feel the pressure start to come. Not always effective but used occasionally in games can mean the difference in a win or a loss.

Just an observation. Not a fan of the tactic but a good way to neutralize bigger and stronger opponents. Seem to remember it used effectively against Brian last year.

 

[temp]

I would never and could never root for a flopper. Doing a bit of acting while trying for a charge is one thing, but just taking advantage of the refs and falling to the floor is weak. Be a man and play some D!!!

Great moment in that EWU game when that smack-talking punk Chiverton tried to flop on a offensive rebound (defense for us) when Art Steward was blocking him out. The kid turns into Art grabs his arm and drags him to the ground. Art falls on top of him and it looks like Steward pushed him to the ground. It happens right in front of the Griz bench and Tinkle and Evens come uncorked. Tinkle tells the ref he is a flopper and what he did. The refs stop the game and go look at a replay. After several minutes they see what happened and call a Technical foul on Chiverton. It was great! The crowd loved it and it was awesome to see that justice was served. That is someone who loves the art of flopping. Eastern want someone like that they can have him. Personally I would give up a bucket before I flopped.

I see your point and that it could be a tool one could use, I can just not get behind something like that.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Flopping pisses me off, and officials calling it make it even worse. Between flopping, and officials bailing offensive players out by blowing the whistle when an offensive player is forcing things, really gets to me. I have coached, and officiated.

Many coaches would get in my ear about not blowing the whistle when their player forced the action. As a coach, any time a player of mine would complain about not getting that call, I would tell them, don't be taking stupid shots, and expect a referee to bail you out.

I wish more officials would hold off blowing the whistle, until they see if the questionable penalty negatively impacted the game, or not. Officials in the bigger conferences get that come tournament play, then there is the Big Sky officials that cannot help but blow the whistle when anyone even gets to close to a certain Northern Colorado guard in the 2010/11 season. Sorry, both Montana, and NAU got shafted last year in the conference tournament.

Sad thing is the player that gets those calls is good enough to impact the game without those calls.

 

[grizfnz]

Flopping.....just another reason why I can't stand Duke. Hell most duke players spend more time on their backs during 4 seasons of eligibility than Jenna Jameson did in her entire career

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[Agent G]

Flopping might work once in a while. However, for every time it works there can often be more times where it backfires. Sometimes the guy that flops trying to sell a player control foul just takes themselves out of the play and makes the shot easier for the shooter or they can't rebound the miss. Or a player that's shooting the ball who flops to the floor trying to convince a ref of a foul often takes themselves out of the play in which they can't rebound the miss or get back on defense. You never see it called but the rules allow for officials to give technicals to players for faking fouls that didn't happen. Teams/players are better off just playing the right way and to not worry about using flops. While there may be officials that fall for it once in a while, I wouldn't waste my time coaching the flop. There's too many other things to worry about.

 

[SoCalGriz]

Best Flop I ever saw was in Boz in early 2000s. I think it was Trammel, barely nudged a cat player and the cat player did a major flop and got the call. Seconds later as the same cat flopper was bringing the ball up court, Trammel did an exaggerated flop to the floor while the cat player was still about 5' way. Trammel sent a message to the ref and got a big laugh out of the crowd including cat fans.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Best Flop I ever saw was in Boz in early 2000s. I think it was Trammel, barely nudged a cat player and the cat player did a major flop and got the call. Seconds later as the same cat flopper was bringing the ball up court, Trammel did an exaggerated flop to the floor while the cat player was still about 5' way. Trammel sent a message to the ref and got a big laugh out of the crowd including cat fans.

During HS ball, a player was good for a few flops a game. Earlier in the year, coaches told everyone the difference between taking a charge, and flopping. "Flopping is what (player's name) does, and one day, player's name will flop without even being touched." "A charge is like taking on a big FB or HB at full speed, but without pads, and you have to let them run you over." A very good illustration to a bunch of 15 to 18 year old kids.

A few weeks later, the player being referred to a flopper, finally had it happen, and in front of a packed gym. A 6'5" guy was filling the lane on a break, flopper got right in the middle of the ball and the guy filling the lane. Being the smart common sense thinker he was, he chose to try taking a charge from the smaller pg. The pg does a spin move about 5 feet in front of him, while our player was already falling. The pg goes by him about 3 feet to spare, and goes to dish to the big for a huge dunk. Good news is they did not convert the basket for a few reasons. It was so funny the ball tipped off the bigs hands, went out of bounds, and flopper was so far back in the lane, the big literally fell to the ground tripping over the flopper's body. The way it played out, everyone on the team was in tears, in laughter, being coach predicted it. The coaches were only grinning, and holding back the best they could.

After the game, the older referee congratulated the coaches, players etc. The ref said, "congratulations coach, you now have the perfect video to show future players what a flop is."

Did the coaches ever get the laughter out in the locker room. Ironic enough, the flopping player later went into teaching, and coaching basketball (a pretty solid coach, in CA). No, the flopping player was not me. :lol:

To this day, I use the football analogy that was used. :thumb:

 

[SoCalGriz]

Very funny. Some flops do make you laugh. It was great the ref had such a good sense of humor.