Final Scrimmage Summary

[brewskis]

First off, prayers for Green. I'm sure he's a strong resilient young man though and will only grow from this. Body wise, the RB position is the deepest on the team. Calhoun is the clear starter and this year Green was gonna split time with Lee and Favors for the #2 spot. Now, after Calhoun and Lee graduate after next year, we will have maybe the best two headed backfield in the BSC for three years with Moses and Green after the NCAA grants Green a sixth year.

As for Curtis Holmes moving to CB, I believe that's the position he was brought in to play all along.

I feel for Green. That guy lives and breathes this team. I hope he keeps his spirits up and gets back for next season. He's got some real talent.

Great to hear that Holmes is at CB! We needed somebody there for this class.


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[alabamagrizzly]

I'm curious because I don't know how redshirts work. If an incoming freshman redshirts his first year and then later in their career they have a season ending injury either before the season or early in the season can they get another red shirt year? A medical redshirt in addition to their true freshman redshirt?

My understanding is that a player can be granted a 6th year if he was injured for the majority of two seasons. If a player was healthy and redshirted as a true freshman, then he will not be eligible for a 6th year medical redshirt.

It appears your right stang. The rule states a player has to miss more then one year and can't play in more then 30% of the games for the seasons he missed. Redshirt years also do not count against this. They are considered to be a players choice to redshirt by the NCAA.

Here's a link to an article that states the rule and try's to interpret it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/borderingonwisdom.wordpress.com/2016/06/23/ncaa-6th-year-of-eligibility/amp/

 

[grizatwork]

I'm curious because I don't know how redshirts work. If an incoming freshman redshirts his first year and then later in their career they have a season ending injury either before the season or early in the season can they get another red shirt year? A medical redshirt in addition to their true freshman redshirt?

My understanding is that a player can be granted a 6th year if he was injured for the majority of two seasons. If a player was healthy and redshirted as a true freshman, then he will not be eligible for a 6th year medical redshirt.

That is correct. Lost year for Green.

 

[grzz]

That is not correct at all. That would basically mean any player that red shirted his freshman year would not be eligible for a medical red shirt. I don't have time to make a list this second, but I know there are several examples of this not being the case.

 

[AZGrizFan]

PR said it was best preseason scrimmage he's seen. This team is going to surprise. 42 points and over 500 yards. Mostly rested first team D and played younger guys but O still hummed right along.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2017/8/24/football-griz-offense-efficient-in-final-fall-scrimmage.aspx

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

 

[SloStang]

That is not correct at all. That would basically mean any player that red shirted his freshman year would not be eligible for a medical red shirt. I don't have time to make a list this second, but I know there are several examples of this not being the case.

If they were granted a 6th year then the school presented medical records supporting that they were injured and could not play for the majority of TWO seasons. That is the only way a player can get a 6th season. All other players have 5 years to play 4 seasons.

 

[grizatwork]

That is not correct at all. That would basically mean any player that red shirted his freshman year would not be eligible for a medical red shirt. I don't have time to make a list this second, but I know there are several examples of this not being the case.

It is correct. If he also misses next year due to injury, he could get one of those years and get a "6th" year.
A red shirt. If you miss a year by choice to develop or because of injury, you use your red shirt year. 5 to play 4 unless he misses the majority of 2 years due to an injury then he can petition for a "medical redshirt." This is a lost year for Green.

I think you may be confused by cases like Jordon Tripp and Caleb Kidder. Both played as true freshman then both had season ending injuries after they had played a couple games. They had to petition to use the year as a red shirt because they played less than 30% of the season. It is called a "medical redshirt" but it is really asking the NCAA permission to use your redshirt year due to injury.

 

[Paytonlives]

Season-ender for Green. That sucks. The Griz ALMOST made it through camp without a single serious injury. Strong will sit against Valpo no matter what he says lol. The coaching staff isn't going to risk him. If Sandry's ankle isn't one hundred percent, I could see him missing that game as well.

Too bad any way you look at it. Green had been working very hard.

So that would put Epperly and Delaney at Safety

 

[HookedonGriz]

PR said it was best preseason scrimmage he's seen. This team is going to surprise. 42 points and over 500 yards. Mostly rested first team D and played younger guys but O still hummed right along.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2017/8/24/football-griz-offense-efficient-in-final-fall-scrimmage.aspx

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

 

[grzz]

That is not correct at all. That would basically mean any player that red shirted his freshman year would not be eligible for a medical red shirt. I don't have time to make a list this second, but I know there are several examples of this not being the case.

It is correct. If he also misses next year due to injury, he could get one of those years and get a "6th" year.
A red shirt. If you miss a year by choice to develop or because of injury, you use your red shirt year. 5 to play 4 unless he misses the majority of 2 years due to an injury then he can petition for a "medical redshirt." This is a lost year for Green.

I think you may be confused by cases like Jordon Tripp and Caleb Kidder. Both played as true freshman then both had season ending injuries after they had played a couple games. They had to petition to use the year as a red shirt because they played less than 30% of the season. It is called a "medical redshirt" but it is really asking the NCAA permission to use your redshirt year due to injury.

My apologies to you and Slostang. I hate the NCAA. Students first my ass.

 

[SoldierGriz]

PR said it was best preseason scrimmage he's seen. This team is going to surprise. 42 points and over 500 yards. Mostly rested first team D and played younger guys but O still hummed right along.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2017/8/24/football-griz-offense-efficient-in-final-fall-scrimmage.aspx

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

If nothing else - probably built a bunch of confidence as the season starts. Sitting the 1st Team D has the same effect on them...coaches saying both sides are ready to get going.

 

[grizatwork]

That is not correct at all. That would basically mean any player that red shirted his freshman year would not be eligible for a medical red shirt. I don't have time to make a list this second, but I know there are several examples of this not being the case.

It is correct. If he also misses next year due to injury, he could get one of those years and get a "6th" year.
A red shirt. If you miss a year by choice to develop or because of injury, you use your red shirt year. 5 to play 4 unless he misses the majority of 2 years due to an injury then he can petition for a "medical redshirt." This is a lost year for Green.

I think you may be confused by cases like Jordon Tripp and Caleb Kidder. Both played as true freshman then both had season ending injuries after they had played a couple games. They had to petition to use the year as a red shirt because they played less than 30% of the season. It is called a "medical redshirt" but it is really asking the NCAA permission to use your redshirt year due to injury.

My apologies to you and Slostang. I hate the NCAA. Students first my ass.

No apologies required. It gets confusing when it comes to red shirts and injuries. I can remember minutia an inane details about sports and pop culture, but I can't remember where I park my car or to pick up milk on my way home.

 

[AZGrizFan]

PR said it was best preseason scrimmage he's seen. This team is going to surprise. 42 points and over 500 yards. Mostly rested first team D and played younger guys but O still hummed right along.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2017/8/24/football-griz-offense-efficient-in-final-fall-scrimmage.aspx

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

Sorry, I know I quoted your post, but it wasn't really directed AT you...just scares me that the O suddenly looks good when it's not going against the 1st string....that bodes well for Valpo, but not once we get into conference play...

 

[GRIZFAN20]

PR said it was best preseason scrimmage he's seen. This team is going to surprise. 42 points and over 500 yards. Mostly rested first team D and played younger guys but O still hummed right along.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2017/8/24/football-griz-offense-efficient-in-final-fall-scrimmage.aspx

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

Sorry, I know I quoted your post, but it wasn't really directed AT you...just scares me that the O suddenly looks good when it's not going against the 1st string....that bodes well for Valpo, but not once we get into conference play...

Not to say our O is going to be great and have no issues, but I watched the first string O move the ball pretty well against our first string D at the second scrimmage. I am cautiously optimistic that we will see a more effective offense this year.

 

[HookedonGriz]

PR said it was best preseason scrimmage he's seen. This team is going to surprise. 42 points and over 500 yards. Mostly rested first team D and played younger guys but O still hummed right along.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2017/8/24/football-griz-offense-efficient-in-final-fall-scrimmage.aspx

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

Sorry, I know I quoted your post, but it wasn't really directed AT you...just scares me that the O suddenly looks good when it's not going against the 1st string....that bodes well for Valpo, but not once we get into conference play...

I hear ya. No offense taken. Just thought you were having a bad day

 

[fanofzoo]

So the O looked good against the 2nd stringers and now we're all good? :? :? :?

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

Sorry, I know I quoted your post, but it wasn't really directed AT you...just scares me that the O suddenly looks good when it's not going against the 1st string....that bodes well for Valpo, but not once we get into conference play...

Not to say our O is going to be great and have no issues, but I watched the first string O move the ball pretty well against our first string D at the second scrimmage. I am cautiously optimistic that we will see a more effective offense this year.

My mantra has been, the O will be better and move the chains cause we got a QB that can run. The effect of that alone makes other people be open and the ripple spreads out, can't wait.

 

[PlayerRep]

It is not true that the first team D didn't play. They, or at least some of them, played. One of the early passing TD's was given up with a first team corner in coverage. It is true that the first team D didn't play much. But neither did players like McGee or Calhoun (rb). Brint may recall more of the specifics.

 

[IdahoGrizFan]

Nope didn't say that at all. Just stated all the facts. That the offense hummed on all cylinders and it was easy for all the QBs, and that I think this team will surprise.

Sorry, I know I quoted your post, but it wasn't really directed AT you...just scares me that the O suddenly looks good when it's not going against the 1st string....that bodes well for Valpo, but not once we get into conference play...

Not to say our O is going to be great and have no issues, but I watched the first string O move the ball pretty well against our first string D at the second scrimmage. I am cautiously optimistic that we will see a more effective offense this year.

My mantra has been, the O will be better and move the chains cause we got a QB that can run. The effect of that alone makes other people be open and the ripple spreads out, can't wait.

I couldn't agree more.... Can't wait to see the difference with a mobile QB.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It is not true that the first team D didn't play. They, or at least some of them, played. One of the early passing TD's was given up with a first team corner in coverage. It is true that the first team D didn't play much. But neither did players like McGee or Calhoun (rb). Brint may recall more of the specifics.

Also heard a couple of the 1st string o-linemen didn't play (much).