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FCS STATS Poll Guesses (Oct 01)

IdaGriz01

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What a wild weekend! Eight ranked teams (almost a third) were defeated. Admittedly, four lost to other ranked teams, but then you have to consider several close calls. So I expect some major stirring of the pot by the pollsters. And, while I don’t expect to get my guesses exactly right, I’m confident that the pollsters will move the Griz up. I suspect some on here will swear off polls (if they haven’t already 🙂) if I’m even close to right.

Poll Guess, Team (Record), #Current Rank
#1 SDSU (4-0) [1]
#2 Montana State (4-1) [3]
#3 Idaho (4-1) [4]
#4 Furman (3-1) [7]
#5 Sacramento State (4-1) [8]
#6 NDSU (2-2) [2]
#7 Incarnate Word (3-1) [9]
#8 Southern Illinois (4-0) [10]
#9 Delaware (3-1) [11]
#10 William & Mary (4-1) [4]
#11 Weber State (3-2) [13]
#12 Holy Cross (3-2) [6]
#13 NC Central (4-1) [15]
#14 Western Carolina (4-1) [17]
#15 Montana (4-1) [18]
#16 North Dakota (2-2) [12]
#17 Florida A&M (4-1) [20]
#18 UC Davis (3-2) [21]
#19 UT Martin (4-1) [22]
#20 New Hampshire (2-3) [14]
#21 Villanova (3-2) [16]
#22 Eastern Washington (2-3) [19]
#23 Harvard (3-0) NR
#24 Rhode Island (3-2) [24]
#25 Central Arkansas (3-2) [25]

NR Youngstown State (2-2) [23]

I may be overstating how much North Dakota State will drop … given the bias that every MVFC team is a powerhouse (not without some justification, of course). Still, the final score does not convey how South Dakota dominated NDSU on the Bison home field … NDSU had to score 9 points in the 4th quarter to make it as close as it was at the end.

That may also be true for William & Mary, but I don’t think so. Elon was not only not ranked, they did not receive a single vote in last week’s poll. In fact, I could see W&M dropping another spot.

Personally, I might have dropped Holy Cross another spot (or two), because Harvard pretty much dominated that game on the Crusader’s home field. However, I’m not convinced that the pollsters will; they seem to cut HC a lot of slack.

Is four spots enough of a drop for North Dakota, after losing to the top-ranked team? Or not enough? Hard to say, but that game was pretty much a beatdown. I could easily see another spot or two down.

I’m guessing that the pollsters will punish New Hampshire rather harshly for their home loss. Yes, the game did go into overtime, but it means that UNH is now (0-2) in conference. Perhaps the pollsters won’t see it that way.

On the other hand, Villanova could drop even more than my guess. Not only was Albany unranked, but they maintained a good lead all the way, before putting it away in the 4th quarter.

In keeping with that, I could see Eastern Washington going into the #21 spot, bumping ‘Nova down one more. The Eags were competitive most of the way before Idaho pulled away a bit in the 4th quarter.

Although it was a close loss on the road at unranked Northern Iowa, I think the pollsters will drop Youngstown State from the top-25. When you’re sitting at #23, you just about can’t afford any loss. Of course, since the pollsters seem to act like Panthers “should” be ranked all the time (they weren’t even close), they may cut YSU some slack. I don’t think they will this time around.

But if that guess is right, it opens a spot for a new team in the top-25. That presents a quandary, along the lines of “who you gonna call?” We had three teams that upset ranked opponents: UNI, Elon, and Harvard. Two of those upsets were squeakers, but Harvard won fairly decisively … and pollsters seem to like having an Ivy in the top-25. So … I went with them.
 
NDSU is 3-1, by the way. I could see South Dakota being a special case this week and jumping all the way up into the teens despite not being considered before.
 
AZGrizFan said:
And yet, you don’t think a 3-1 South Dakota team warrants a mention in the top 25?
I certainly would have no argument with that.

Two problems: First, the pollsters gave the 'Yotes zero votes in last week's poll ... zero. So that means the pollsters would go from no baseline to into the top-25. That begs the question: Who would they bump? I see USD getting a lot of new votes, but not enough to get them into the top-25.
 
I predict NDSU outta the top 5. 3 outta top 5 should be BSC. I’m hoping W&M are outside top 8. They just aren’t there. USD will certainly be ranked. Should be top 16 IMO. 3-1 with good ranked win. UM shouldn’t move up a ton. I think fringe top 20 is appropriate. FCS is just not good after top 20. Does Weber benefit from this and move up a few due to all those ranked teams ahead losing? Do they deserve it?
 
. You don’t have an NAU team who defeated the Griz, and lost in the last seconds to your #5 team out of the polls. That in itself makes it ridiculous.
 
Robsnotes4u said:
. You don’t have an NAU team who defeated the Griz, and lost in the last seconds to your #5 team out of the polls. That in itself makes it ridiculous.
Thanks for the warm fuzzy ;) .

Please understand: This would not be my poll (or maybe it would, but that's irrelevant). These are my best guesses (based on years of observation) as to what the pollsters will end up with tomorrow. It would be nice to see them notice NAU (and South Dakota), suggesting that they pay some attention to the overall state of FCS football. I am not hopeful, however.
 
CatsRback said:
I predict NDSU outta the top 5. 3 outta top 5 should be BSC. I’m hoping W&M are outside top 8. They just aren’t there. USD will certainly be ranked. Should be top 16 IMO. 3-1 with good ranked win. UM shouldn’t move up a ton. I think fringe top 20 is appropriate. FCS is just not good after top 7-8 teams. Does Weber benefit from this and move up a few due to all those ranked teams ahead losing? Do they deserve it?

FIFY.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Robsnotes4u said:
. You don’t have an NAU team who defeated the Griz, and lost in the last seconds to your #5 team out of the polls. That in itself makes it ridiculous.
Thanks for the warm fuzzy ;) .

Please understand: This would not be my poll (or maybe it would, but that's irrelevant). These are my best guesses (based on years of observation) as to what the pollsters will end up with tomorrow. It would be nice to see them notice NAU (and South Dakota), suggesting that they pay some attention to the overall state of FCS football. I am not hopeful, however.

Thanks for doing this - you are definitely good at it.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Robsnotes4u said:
. You don’t have an NAU team who defeated the Griz, and lost in the last seconds to your #5 team out of the polls. That in itself makes it ridiculous.
Thanks for the warm fuzzy ;) .

Please understand: This would not be my poll (or maybe it would, but that's irrelevant). These are my best guesses (based on years of observation) as to what the pollsters will end up with tomorrow. It would be nice to see them notice NAU (and South Dakota), suggesting that they pay some attention to the overall state of FCS football. I am not hopeful, however.

I apologize. These are you guesses on the poll, not your poll.
 
Robsnotes4u said:
I apologize. These are your guesses on the poll, not your poll.
Not necessary. I've been doing it so long, I probably didn't explain it as well as I should have.

As I said in my comments, I would personally like to see Holy Cross hammered down at least a couple more spots. With their pathetic schedule, they really have not deserved to be in the top-10. But I'll be surprised if they drop a whole lot more than my guess.
 
Robsnotes4u said:
I will look at the AGS poll, which is one of the best tomorrow, but this is one of the best, understanding what a poll is. This isn’t against this thread, as Idaho is guessing where the the stats poll will be, and he is very good at it.

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-herder-ballot-10-2-2023-bzbz/
Herder is good ... and to be commended for his willingness/ability to post his reasoning for all to see. (And, naturally, I like that he dropped Holy Cross two spots more than I project :lol: ).

Of course, he just one vote (out of 56), so his careful reasoning can be lost in the noise.
 
Wow Herder dropped the hammer on WSU. And now WCU jumped up. Don’t know much on them…. seems he’s more willing to reward and punish teams for good wins/ bad losses. I like his weekly approach about how teams are playing in the now versus a team coming in with hype and pollsters being reluctant to move them out if they aren’t living up to it like a WSU, or UM. NDSU down to 10 is reasonable. I don’t think USD is a top 10 team just yet. But they very well could be…
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Robsnotes4u said:
I will look at the AGS poll, which is one of the best tomorrow, but this is one of the best, understanding what a poll is. This isn’t against this thread, as Idaho is guessing where the the stats poll will be, and he is very good at it.

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-herder-ballot-10-2-2023-bzbz/
Herder is good ... and to be commended for his willingness/ability to post his reasoning for all to see. (And, naturally, I like that he dropped Holy Cross two spots more than I project :lol: ).

Of course, he just one vote (out of 56), so his careful reasoning can be lost in the noise.

Herder is fantastic, I’m not the biggest fan of Haley or some of the others.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
AZGrizFan said:
And yet, you don’t think a 3-1 South Dakota team warrants a mention in the top 25?
I certainly would have no argument with that.

Two problems: First, the pollsters gave the 'Yotes zero votes in last week's poll ... zero. So that means the pollsters would go from no baseline to into the top-25. That begs the question: Who would they bump? I see USD getting a lot of new votes, but not enough to get them into the top-25.

EWU out.
 
AZGrizFan said:
IdaGriz01 said:
Two problems: First, the pollsters gave the 'Yotes zero votes in last week's poll ... zero. So that means the pollsters would go from no baseline to into the top-25. That begs the question: Who would they bump? I see USD getting a lot of new votes, but not enough to get them into the top-25.
EWU out.
Possible, but I don't think so. Recall that their game with #4 ranked Idaho was tied at the half and EWU was within a FG at the end of the third Q. So they played a tight game with #4 ... don't see the pollsters dropping them all the way out.

The pollsters might decide to let Central Arkansas fall out. The Bears barely slipped by Southern Utah (29-27), which should have been an easy win, even on the road.
 
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