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FCS Poll Guesses (Sept 8)

IdaGriz01

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With so many teams still playing FBS money games, it’s a bit chancy to guess what the pollsters may do after the results this week. Have to figure what the losses to FBS opponents (five of them) mean in terms of the actual strength of a team. But we’ll give it a whirl, just for fun.

Poll Guess, Team, (Record), [Current Rank]
#1 North Dakota State (2-1) [1]
#2 South Dakota State (2-1) [2]
#3 Montana (3-0) [3]
#4 Incarnate Word (3-0) [6]
#5 Sacramento State (2-0) [8]
#6 Delaware (3-0) [9]
#7 Missouri State (2-1) [5]
#8 Chattanooga (3-0) [10]
#9 Montana State (2-1) [4]
#10 Jackson State (3-0) [11]
#11 Villanova (2-1) [7]
#12 Weber State (3-0) [12]
#13 Holy Cross (3-0) [13]
#14 Eastern Washington (1-1) [14]
#15 William & Mary (3-0) [15]
#16 E. Kentucky (2-1) [19]
#17 Mercer (2-1) [20]
#18 Stephen F. Austin (1-2) [21]
#19 UT Martin (1-2) [16]
#20 Rhode Island (2-1) [17]
#21 North Dakota (2-1) [22]
#22 Southern Illinois (1-2)4 NR
#23 Kennesaw State (0-2) [23]
#24 Samford (2-1) a [24]
#25 East Tennessee State (1-2) [18]

NR New Hampshire (2-1) [25]

As noted on another thread, I think most pollsters will actually see the NDSU “loss” as a plus. A couple key plays go the other way, and the Bison might have won. It’s possible they might lose a few first place votes, but I rather doubt it.

Could the Griz move into #2? Not out of the question. Both UM and SDSU put about the same hurt on crappy opponents … on the road. It might become a question of which was crappier. Butler’s two wins were at home against NAIA opponents. Indiana State’s one loss going into the game was to Purdue. Advantage: Montana. In general, the pollsters have not been that smart, so my guess is that they will not move the Griz up … but I could be wrong.

With three top-ten teams losing to FBS opponents, it becomes a total crap shoot as to how much (if any) they might move down. I think they will be easier on Missouri State, since the Bears kept it close and actually led for quite a long time. In fact, it would not surprise me if they don’t drop at all, or only a spot. Montana State and Villanova both got pounded by their FBS opponents. Neither of the FBS teams could be considered powerhouses, so I’m guessing the losers could drop a fair amount.

The lose by UT-Martin to Boise State was another tough one. The Broncos don’t seem to be a real power this year. They didn’t pull away until the 4th quarter. Thus, I don’t think the pollsters will punish UT-Martin a lot.

I might have been too kind to Rhode Island. Yes, they lost to #9 Delaware, but they were at home and still got creamed by three touchdowns. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them drop a few more spots.

I expect the pollsters to drop East Tennessee State a lot after their loss to an unranked team. I have them barely hanging on, but they could drop further. If they do, I’d guess that Richmond might make it into the top-25.

Dropping New Hampshire out of the top-25 was an easy call after they got thumped by an unranked team. With that spot opening up, I decided the pollsters would reward Southern Illinois for their upset at Northwestern. (They might have done that anyway.)

FWIW: I debated with myself about bumping Kennesaw State (idle) to make room for Richmond or perhaps SE Louisiana. Their (0-2) record sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
After reading your poll guesses for several years I’m certain you know the pollsters better than they know themselves.
 
kurtismichael said:
After reading your poll guesses for several years I’m certain you know the pollsters better than they know themselves.
Thanks for the kind words.

However, this early in the season, with a minimum to go on, I'm not going to be shocked if there are some big misses. My top candidate for a miss is Rhode Island. Their loss (at home) to Delaware was pretty ugly. I'm also a bit uncertain about Villanova. Once Army adjusted at half time, the Wildcats managed only a FG and got crushed 28-3 in the 2nd half. Army is basically a mid- to low-level FBS, so the pollsters may hammer 'Nova down more than I guessed.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
kurtismichael said:
After reading your poll guesses for several years I’m certain you know the pollsters better than they know themselves.
Thanks for the kind words.

However, this early in the season, with a minimum to go on, I'm not going to be shocked if there are some big misses. My top candidate for a miss is Rhode Island. Their loss (at home) to Delaware was pretty ugly. I'm also a bit uncertain about Villanova. Once Army adjusted at half time, the Wildcats managed only a FG and got crushed 28-3 in the 2nd half. Army is basically a mid- to low-level FBS, so the pollsters may hammer 'Nova down more than I guessed.

Speaking of ‘Nova, I’d love to see them in WGS for a semifinal game sometime. Payback for 2009 would be sweet!
 
If the top 3 keep winning - whether pretty or ugly - do you see their poll position changing until NDSU meets SDSU on Oct 15?
I would guess they like the idea of a #1 vs #2 matchup.
And if the Griz keep winning one way or another they would be home throughout the playoffs.

I like the work you do but I'm still in the dream scenario stage for this season.
 
behappp said:
If the top 3 keep winning - whether pretty or ugly - do you see their poll position changing until NDSU meets SDSU on Oct 15?
I would guess they like the idea of a #1 vs #2 matchup.
And if the Griz keep winning one way or another they would be home throughout the playoffs.

I like the work you do but I'm still in the dream scenario stage for this season.
Barring some major surprises for either NDSU or SDSU – which could happen ("any given Saturday") – I do not see their positions in the polls changing until that game. In fact, they might not do more that switch positions if the game is really close. Of course, for that to matter, the Griz need to keep winning.
 
You dropped MSU a long way. Do you really think the pollsters will punish them that much for an FBS loss even though it was very ugly?
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
You dropped MSU a long way. Do you really think the pollsters will punish them that much for an FBS loss even though it was very ugly?
Hmmm. You had me going there. I do not consider two spots to be "a long way." But that's just a matter of opinion (and my "formulas" ... rules of thumb). You'll also note that I threw in some weasel words ;) ... that they might only drop one or even none. But there's another factor too: Missouri State has only been good for a year or two, and was really bad before. My observations show that the pollsters remember those things ... so MSU hasn't yet built up a rep as a strong program. A two-spot drops puts them just below four undefeated teams, which I think will also be a factor.

We'll know tomorrow.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Da Boyz Mom said:
You dropped MSU a long way. Do you really think the pollsters will punish them that much for an FBS loss even though it was very ugly?
Hmmm. You had me going there. I do not consider two spots to be "a long way." But that's just a matter of opinion (and my "formulas" ... rules of thumb). You'll also note that I threw in some weasel words ;) ... that they might only drop one or even none. But there's another factor too: Missouri State has only been good for a year or two, and was really bad before. My observations show that the pollsters remember those things ... so MSU hasn't yet built up a rep as a strong program. A two-spot drops puts them just below four undefeated teams, which I think will also be a factor.

We'll know tomorrow.

I meant Montana State but maybe you thought I was talking about Missouri State? The Bobcats were at #4 in the last poll and you have them at #9 now. Isn't five spots quite a bit? I can't see them getting dropped that many spots for a loss, even a bad loss, to an FBS team.
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
IdaGriz01 said:
Hmmm. You had me going there. I do not consider two spots to be "a long way." But that's just a matter of opinion (and my "formulas" ... rules of thumb). You'll also note that I threw in some weasel words ;) ... that they might only drop one or even none. But there's another factor too: Missouri State has only been good for a year or two, and was really bad before. My observations show that the pollsters remember those things ... so MSU hasn't yet built up a rep as a strong program. A two-spot drops puts them just below four undefeated teams, which I think will also be a factor.

We'll know tomorrow.
Sorry I'm just confused. Montana state was at #4 in the last poll and you have them at #9 now. Isn't five spots quite a bit? Maybe I'm just really misunderstanding something but I can't see them getting dropped that many spots for a loss, even a bad loss, to an FBS team.
My confusion. Of course, being a Griz fan, you meant Montana State University, not Missouri State University, which is what my reply was based on. My bad.

Under "normal" circumstances, getting badly shellacked (40 points down) by a reasonably good FBS team would still cost you three or four spots. However, I think the pollsters will hit them a bit harder because the kitties wins have been against two of the absolute worst teams in FCS. Their combined records are 1-5, with the one win against an NAIA opponent. Also, moving them down only three would put them ahead of Missouri State and undefeated Chattanooga. Could happen, but I'm guessing not.

As I said, we'll know tomorrow.
 
kurtismichael said:
After reading your poll guesses for several years I’m certain you know the pollsters better than they know themselves.


IdaGriz, I agree with the above statement. You are the bomb on these poll predictions!

None the less, most pollsters are not paying as close of attention to this as you are. I'd guess Montana State will only drop a couple of spots at most. Missouri State appeared to have a highly ranked Arkansas on the ropes so they probably won't drop more than a spot, if at all.

I have no idea on the other calls but there won't be much punishment for any FBS losses. Despite the blow out margin of the bobcat's loss (Oregon State NEVER HAD TO PUNT), or lousy quality of previous opponents (combined 1-5 record), most voters will only see Bozeman State lost to a PAC 12 school and consider it largely a non-event. Missouri State losing, yet giving a SEC team a scare, will be viewed as a positive by many. That is my two bits. Again, great job keeping these posts coming! :ugeek:
 
kurtismichael said:
After reading your poll guesses for several years I’m certain you know the pollsters better than they know themselves.

I’m not sure why we bother looking at the official polls. We get it here and he gets it right!
 
Grizzlies1982 said:
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None the less, most pollsters are not paying as close of attention to this as you are. I'd guess Montana State will only drop a couple of spots at most. Missouri State appeared to have a highly ranked Arkansas on the ropes so they probably won't drop more than a spot, if at all.

I have no idea on the other calls but there won't be much punishment for any FBS losses. Despite the blow out margin of the bobcat's loss (Oregon State NEVER HAD TO PUNT), or lousy quality of previous opponents (combined 1-5 record), most voters will only see Bozeman State lost to a PAC 12 school and consider it largely a non-event. Missouri State losing, yet giving a SEC team a scare, will be viewed as a positive by many. That is my two bits. Again, great job keeping these posts coming! :ugeek:
No argument from me on these possibilities. As I said to start with, having so many ranked teams playing (and losing to) FBS opponents makes it even more difficult than usual to guess what the pollsters will do. That's why I threw in more than the usual quota of weasel words. :lol:

Actually, I'm much more interested in what happens where no losses to FBS opponents are involved ... meaning Rhode Island, East Tennessee State, and New Hampshire. As I said, it would not surprise me to see Rhode Island drop even more than my guess. Conversely, the more I look at it, I may have punished ETSU a bit too much. Even though they were at home, their lost to unranked Furman was not all that bad. I'm pretty confident that New Hampshire will drop out of the top-25. But will the pollsters actually reward Southern Illinois for their upset of Northwestern? We'll see in a couple hours or so.
 
UncleP said:
kurtismichael said:
After reading your poll guesses for several years I’m certain you know the pollsters better than they know themselves.
I’m not sure why we bother looking at the official polls. We get it here and he gets it right!
Thanks for the nice thought, but not quite there yet. Some weeks are really good, but there have also been misses. Got a bad feeling about this one ... which should be out any time now.
 
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