Emphasis on recruiting Montana first hurting recruiting.?

[uofmman1122]

What's obtuse about this? If having more Montana kids is the reason we aren't good, how can you explain bozeman's success when they have just as many?

You know darn well that isn’t what he is saying. What he is saying (I think) is that if we have a chance to get an out-of-state stud, we should go after them rather than first offering three Montana kids who are not as talented with partial scholarships. If the Montana kids are just as big of studs as the out-of-state person, then by all means go after them. It doesn’t matter where people are from but if we are giving priority to less talented in-state kids over, offering somebody from out of state who could benefit our program, just because they are from out of state, then that doesn’t make much sense.

And Bozeman likely has the more talented Montana kids than we do and, therefore, are having much more success with them

Except that he’s saying and has said many times for a while now that it’s strictly the number that’s the problem. He thinks every Montana kid on our roster that’s not a starter is only good enough to play in NAIA.

He’s literally said in this thread that 25 Montana kids is better than 45, regardless of how good any of them actually are, and that the reason South Dakota State and Idaho are better than us is because they each have only 20-something in-state recruits. There is no nuance, it’s literally just the number.

If he has rationalizations and nuance for his position that the number of Montana kids is simply too high, he needs to say it, because he’s been asked about this for months and refuses to.

 

[Spanky2]

You know darn well that isn’t what he is saying. What he is saying (I think) is that if we have a chance to get an out-of-state stud, we should go after them rather than first offering three Montana kids who are not as talented with partial scholarships. If the Montana kids are just as big of studs as the out-of-state person, then by all means go after them. It doesn’t matter where people are from but if we are giving priority to less talented in-state kids over, offering somebody from out of state who could benefit our program, just because they are from out of state, then that doesn’t make much sense.

And Bozeman likely has the more talented Montana kids than we do and, therefore, are having much more success with them

Except that he’s saying and has said many times for a while now that it’s strictly the number that’s the problem. He thinks every Montana kid on our roster that’s not a starter is only good enough to play in NAIA.

He’s literally said in this thread that 25 Montana kids is better than 45, regardless of how good any of them actually are, and that the reason South Dakota State and Idaho are better than us is because they each have only 20-something in-state recruits. There is no nuance, it’s literally just the number.

If he has rationalizations and nuance for his position that the number of Montana kids is simply too high, he needs to say it, because he’s been asked about this for months and refuses to.

Ok, ding bat, the number of Montana kids is too high. I’ve said it many, many times. You and your buddy Helena would rather argue. I’ll say it again….I don’t give a darn about MSU!

 

[Spanky2]

What's obtuse about this? If having more Montana kids is the reason we aren't good, how can you explain bozeman's success when they have just as many?

You know darn well that isn’t what he is saying. What he is saying (I think) is that if we have a chance to get an out-of-state stud, we should go after them rather than first offering three Montana kids who are not as talented with partial scholarships. If the Montana kids are just as big of studs as the out-of-state person, then by all means go after them. It doesn’t matter where people are from but if we are giving priority to less talented in-state kids over, offering somebody from out of state who could benefit our program, just because they are from out of state, then that doesn’t make much sense.

And Bozeman likely has the more talented Montana kids than we do and, therefore, are having much more success with them

Thank You Sir!

 

[uofmman1122]

Except that he’s saying and has said many times for a while now that it’s strictly the number that’s the problem. He thinks every Montana kid on our roster that’s not a starter is only good enough to play in NAIA.

He’s literally said in this thread that 25 Montana kids is better than 45, regardless of how good any of them actually are, and that the reason South Dakota State and Idaho are better than us is because they each have only 20-something in-state recruits. There is no nuance, it’s literally just the number.

If he has rationalizations and nuance for his position that the number of Montana kids is simply too high, he needs to say it, because he’s been asked about this for months and refuses to.

Ok, ding bat, the number of Montana kids is too high. I’ve said it many, many times. You and your buddy Helena would rather argue. I’ll say it again….I don’t give a darn about MSU!

Yeah, we know. You think it's too high despite all the evidence that it doesn't matter.

Looking forward to you bringing this up again in a few weeks for no reason yet again.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Except that he’s saying and has said many times for a while now that it’s strictly the number that’s the problem. He thinks every Montana kid on our roster that’s not a starter is only good enough to play in NAIA.

He’s literally said in this thread that 25 Montana kids is better than 45, regardless of how good any of them actually are, and that the reason South Dakota State and Idaho are better than us is because they each have only 20-something in-state recruits. There is no nuance, it’s literally just the number.

If he has rationalizations and nuance for his position that the number of Montana kids is simply too high, he needs to say it, because he’s been asked about this for months and refuses to.

Ok, ding bat, the number of Montana kids is too high. I’ve said it many, many times. You and your buddy Helena would rather argue. I’ll say it again….I don’t give a darn about MSU!

I am done,. You are too dense to grasp anything more than counting. Still not sure how you managed with only 10 digits for an aid.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Bump.

Boy, am I happy about those Montana kids on the roster. Would not be heading to NC without them.

This string is about as silly as the "fire all the coaches" strings around the same time.

 

[GrizSpartan]

I just think we need to leave the recruiting program of the football team to the coaching staff. They have certain criteria that student athletes have meet as a recruit. There is a lot involved with recruiting.

Also recruiting at the FCS level is way difficult. There are many players who are on the fringe as far as: speed, football acumen, classroom progress, athleticism, potential for growth, community involvement, family support, etc. The big schools pick up the crème of the current yearly HS recruits. We are forced to be more selective. It is so much easier for Alabama or Georgia to identify and recruit kids than it is for our staff. Additionally, we have geographic issues that makes it hard to visit recruits or even get them in to visit our school.

If you notice, Bobby has done a fine job recruiting. We have a good mix of players. I trust his judgement. He is the plus professional.

Also, NIL money has changed how recruiting is done. Basically, once all 63 scholarships are used up, a team can pay players through NIL to come to their school. They can pay for a partial or even a full scholarship. It does not count against the allotted 63 scholarships. The team to our east has used that method to get kids into their program. Word has it that several kids wanted to play for the Griz, but we couldn't provide the NIL financial support that the other team could. They ended up at the other institution.

If you want to take some action, contribute to the NIL funding. Call Marcus Welnel at 406-203-1435 or 406-461-2705. He will guide you to a place you may help the program.

 

[bgbigdog]

Wow. An entirely unimportant repost, followed by an entirely relevant voice of reason.

 

[3-7-77]

HHB, the thread was dormant for 81days, until YOU brought it up. I would say the OP accepted his premise was flawed, and let it die, only to be brought back to life by YOU, aka Dr. Frankenstein. Old proverb:

Let sleeping dogs lie...
phrase of sleep
PROVERB
avoid interfering in a situation that is currently causing no problems but might do so as a result of such interference.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

HHB, the thread was dormant for 81days, until YOU brought it up. I would say the OP accepted his premise was flawed, and let it die, only to be brought back to life by YOU, aka Dr. Frankenstein. Old proverb:

Let sleeping dogs lie...
phrase of sleep
PROVERB
avoid interfering in a situation that is currently causing no problems but might do so as a result of such interference.

I didn't bump this. Next time pull your head out before you rant.

 

[3-7-77]

Goatcreek is Dr. Frankenstein.

 

[GrizPony]

Bump.

Boy, am I happy about those Montana kids on the roster. Would not be heading to NC without them.

This string is about as silly as the "fire all the coaches" strings around the same time.

I love this. The good thing about this board is it can bring receipts to those who really don't understand recruiting, talent and most importantly, chemistry. The "give a sh*t" factor can not be discounted. Montana kids care more about this program and that infects the out of state recruits. Not vice versa. Without that factor, we could be a talented team like PSU and never gel because everyone is in it for themselves only.

 

[Ursa Major]

HHB, the thread was dormant for 81days, until YOU brought it up. I would say the OP accepted his premise was flawed, and let it die, only to be brought back to life by YOU, aka Dr. Frankenstein. Old proverb:

Let sleeping dogs lie...
phrase of sleep
PROVERB
avoid interfering in a situation that is currently causing no problems but might do so as a result of such interference.

I didn't bump this. Next time pull your head out before you rant.

If I’m not mistaken that is from Deuteronomy 22:5.

 

[putter]

Signed kids from all over the country today, so far.

 

[RayWill]

Let this die, I also never meant that Montana Kids were bad but that some real talent was being missed by offering MT kids first no matter talent level over out of state athletes, which is what I was told is what they understood was going on. Anyways right after this was posted he got offers from several other larger schools and picked Washington State

 

[Jordan_20]

Let this die, I also never meant that Montana Kids were bad but that some real talent was being missed by offering MT kids first no matter talent level over out of state athletes, which is what I was told is what they understood was going on. Anyways right after this was posted he got offers from several other larger schools and picked Washington State

Well he sure was wrong about Montana being a dying program. Wish him the best of luck at WSU

 

[RayWill]

Let this die, I also never meant that Montana Kids were bad but that some real talent was being missed by offering MT kids first no matter talent level over out of state athletes, which is what I was told is what they understood was going on. Anyways right after this was posted he got offers from several other larger schools and picked Washington State

Well he sure was wrong about Montana being a dying program. Wish him the best of luck at WSU

Yep sure was. If anything WSU might become a dying program with all the drama with everyone leaving the Pac12. His dad supports him but still rubbed him about it when the Griz won.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Well he sure was wrong about Montana being a dying program. Wish him the best of luck at WSU

Yep sure was. If anything WSU might become a dying program with all the drama with everyone leaving the Pac12. His dad supports him but still rubbed him about it when the Griz won.

Fair enough.

I bumped this because of all the whining, sky-is-falling responses to the original post. I was also concerned about the state of the team after the NAU game, but the torches and pitchforks wielded by fair weather “fans” was way out of line. Be a proud alum, support the student athletes, and trust the vast experience of the coaching staff. Sometimes things get better, sometimes they don’t, but I think it is important to consistently support this outstanding university and its proud athletic traditions. Act like we have been there before (because we have) and things will work out the way they are supposed to.

Where is Zengriz when we need him?