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DUI charge dropped against Tru

Jerry Punch said:
GrizPony said:
EverettGriz said:
NorthwestFresh said:
I find it more convincing calling posters childish names like "Donkey Punch" when I'm trying to make a valid point. :shock:


How the hell would you know? You've never made a valid point.

8-)

BOOM!

Well, you were unable to respond to any of the substance posted above on this issue. You simply rely on "knowing" people and name calling to jump on the PlayerRep bandwagon of raising complete defenses to any offenses committed by Griz athletes solely because of their status as such. I would say you're part of the problem in Missoula - that is if you can admit there was ever a problem to begin with.

I responded and refuted you point by point. Are you simple? You were wrong about the student practice rule and every other thing you claimed. Show me where I defended Trumaine? I NEVER did and don't. I simply stated that it appears that the prosecutors in this town may have learned that if you don't have the evidence to meet the legal standard required to convict, then you better plea bargain. And they did just that in this case. You are the tiny-minded one that is worried about an athletes "status" being something greater than your own, not me. Don't project your insecurities on me. I totally think there is a segment of the student athlete population that has trouble with the law. However, it is commensurate with the percentage of the overall student population so I choose to not be alarmist. Your fixation with media coverage leads you to conclude the problems are much greater. You let others think for you and are unable to form your own unbiased conclusions. In that regard, you are like the simple cattle that make up the majority of the public and so I should probably cease picking on you. I thought you were possibly smarter, but you have forced another conclusion on me.
 
Apologize? For what? My "fixation with media coverage?"

You believed that the Missoula City Attorney and Missoula County Attorney were the same entity. You thought that perhaps prosecutors learned a lesson from the JJ trial. I don't know what lesson you can learn from that trial other than the fact that one individual, crazy, upset woman can derail the life of a man. I also consistently stated that the County was damned if it did and damned if it didn't. The only choice they had was to go to trial and let their alleged victim be exposed for what she was. That's what the legal process is for. Imagine the uproar and media coverage if Missoula County hadn't prosecuted that crime. It would have been even worse and a cloud would be over Jordy much more than it is now that he has been completely vindicated.

As far as Trumaine's DUI, I have no problem with aggressive prosecution and charging of DUI in Montana. We have a serious problem here. If you aren't drunk, like Trumaine says he wasn't, you can provide a breath sample. It's that easy. Yes, the City had to amend the charge because they would have had a difficult time proving intoxication without a breath sample. But that's not the end of the story for Trumaine. His refusal to provide a breath sample will have lasting effects and will be a part of his driving history for the foreseeable future.
 
Jerry Punch said:
Apologize? For what? My "fixation with media coverage?"

You believed that the Missoula City Attorney and Missoula County Attorney were the same entity. You thought that perhaps prosecutors learned a lesson from the JJ trial. I don't know what lesson you can learn from that trial other than the fact that one individual, crazy, upset woman can derail the life of a man. I also consistently stated that the County was damned if it did and damned if it didn't. The only choice they had was to go to trial and let their alleged victim be exposed for what she was. That's what the legal process is for. Imagine the uproar and media coverage if Missoula County hadn't prosecuted that crime. It would have been even worse and a cloud would be over Jordy much more than it is now that he has been completely vindicated.

As far as Trumaine's DUI, I have no problem with aggressive prosecution and charging of DUI in Montana. We have a serious problem here. If you aren't drunk, like Trumaine says he wasn't, you can provide a breath sample. It's that easy. Yes, the City had to amend the charge because they would have had a difficult time proving intoxication without a breath sample. But that's not the end of the story for Trumaine. His refusal to provide a breath sample will have lasting effects and will be a part of his driving history for the foreseeable future.

You continue to be a fountain of misinformation.

Pony didn't believe or say the city and county prosecutors were the same entity. He said the prosecutors may have learned some lessons from the JJ trial. Every prosecutor in Missoula followed the trial and saw how weak the case was and how badly the county prosecutors and their case were dismantled.

Not charging JJ would have been the right thing to do. There would not have been some big uproar in town over not charging. People didn't expect him to be charged. As more specifics started coming out, many people believed the case was weak and shouldn't be brought. The bringing of the case and the bad result has hurt the credibility of the prosecutors and created a negative impact pursuing and prosecuting sexual assault in Missoula. It has hurt the cause of having more women step forward to pursue their claims, not helped it.

Submitting to a breath test, if one has had a few drinks, is not necessarily the right thing to do, because the machines, and certain ones, are notoriously inaccurate and mis-calibrated. Only a blood test is accurate. If one does well in the field test and video, then a conviction becomes difficult. If you want to get rid of the matter fairly quickly, you may have to do what Trumaine did. If you're willing to wait until a trial date is coming, the case may go away completely.

Trumaine doesn't live in Montana. As time goes on, and as his friends leave town, I doubt that he will spend much time here. I doubt that his refusal to blow will have much lasting impact on him.
 
Jerry Punch said:
Apologize? For what? My "fixation with media coverage?"

You believed that the Missoula City Attorney and Missoula County Attorney were the same entity. You thought that perhaps prosecutors learned a lesson from the JJ trial. I don't know what lesson you can learn from that trial other than the fact that one individual, crazy, upset woman can derail the life of a man. I also consistently stated that the County was damned if it did and damned if it didn't. The only choice they had was to go to trial and let their alleged victim be exposed for what she was. That's what the legal process is for. Imagine the uproar and media coverage if Missoula County hadn't prosecuted that crime. It would have been even worse and a cloud would be over Jordy much more than it is now that he has been completely vindicated.

As far as Trumaine's DUI, I have no problem with aggressive prosecution and charging of DUI in Montana. We have a serious problem here. If you aren't drunk, like Trumaine says he wasn't, you can provide a breath sample. It's that easy. Yes, the City had to amend the charge because they would have had a difficult time proving intoxication without a breath sample. But that's not the end of the story for Trumaine. His refusal to provide a breath sample will have lasting effects and will be a part of his driving history for the foreseeable future.
that's some strange logic.
j.j. would've been vindicated more if there was no trial. the fact there was a trial says the prosecution felt it had enough to get a conviction and ultimately the trial didn't prove he didn't rape her or that it was a false claim. that's not much vindication.

hold a gang rape claim that has video evidence showing no sign of forcible rape and no trial next to the j.j. case to get a sense of this.
 
There wouldn't have been a backlash if JJ wasn't charged? Get real, PR. Even you can't believe that. Anyone who knows the Missoulian's agenda or aggravated "women's rights" proponents would have made an incredible storm about not charging it. In addition, the Justice Department was waiting for a move just like that to vindicate their reasons for being there in the first place. I don't disagree that the trial negatively impacted rape victims generally, but there is no doubt that had more to do with the "victim" herself than the Missoula County Attorney's office. The fault of the trial rests on her - there is only so much a prosecutor can do to prepare a witness like that. They can only rely on her words. If they are false, the trial is there to expose them as such.

Further, if an intoxilyzer wasn't calibrated properly or non-functional that too would be exposed in trial. Each officer is required to have their intox units certified and calibrated. That's part of laying foundation for the admission of those results. If the machinery is faulty, the foundation wouldn't be there and the sample wouldn't be admissible. It's as simple as that.
 
Jerry Punch said:
There wouldn't have been a backlash if JJ wasn't charged? Get real, PR. Even you can't believe that. Anyone who knows the Missoulian's agenda or aggravated "women's rights" proponents would have made an incredible storm about not charging it. In addition, the Justice Department was waiting for a move just like that to vindicate their reasons for being there in the first place. I don't disagree that the trial negatively impacted rape victims generally, but there is no doubt that had more to do with the "victim" herself than the Missoula County Attorney's office. The fault of the trial rests on her - there is only so much a prosecutor can do to prepare a witness like that. They can only rely on her words. If they are false, the trial is there to expose them as such.

Further, if an intoxilyzer wasn't calibrated properly or non-functional that too would be exposed in trial. Each officer is required to have their intox units certified and calibrated. That's part of laying foundation for the admission of those results. If the machinery is faulty, the foundation wouldn't be there and the sample wouldn't be admissible. It's as simple as that.

Nope, there wouldn't be outrage if JJ hadn't been charged. The Missoulian may have said something, but even they couldn't have created outrage. The DOJ still hasn't come to agreement with the county prosecutor. The DOJ investigation probably influenced the county prosecutor to bring the charges, but the DOJ, if they ever looked at the file (and they probably looked at the police file), could see that the case was weak and a loser. It's obvious that you don't live in Missoula and have little or no clue about what goes on in Missoula or what the bulk of the people are thinking.

Disagree on the breath machines. From the internet:

"A number of factors can influence the reliability of breathalyzer test results, including user or administrator error, equipment failure, and environmental causes.

Foreign Substances – Substances present in the mouth that contain alcohol can produce false positives because the amount of alcohol vapor they emit may be greater than the amount exhaled from the lungs. For example, some mouthwashes, breath fresheners, and toothache medicines contain alcohol.
Averaging – Breathalyzer settings are often based on the averaging of such traits as metabolism, sex, gender, and weight. Thus the inherent limitations of a one-size-fits-all testing approach can skew readings.
Breathalyzer Malfunction – An equipment malfunction or mechanical defect can cause a breathalyzer to not function properly, thereby affecting test results.
Calibration – Breathalyzers must be calibrated periodically and batteries must be replaced in order to maintain accuracy. Failure to do either can result in false readings.
Software – Breathalyzers run on special software, just as computers rely on operating systems, which can result in occasional bugs and glitches.
Human Error – No equipment is immune to human error. As easy as breathalyzers are to use, they still require some attention to detail.
Consistency – To ensure accuracy, breath tests should be performed multiple times to produce a reliable result. Breathalyzers that utilize fuel cell sensor technology provide the most reliable and accurate results in repeated tests.
Environmental Factors – False results can be triggered by the presence of paint fumes, varnish, chemicals such as acetone, plastics and adhesives, and other chemicals.
Sensor Types – As noted, fuel cell sensors provide more accurate BAC readings for repeated tests and over a longer period of time and over a higher BAC range than semiconductor sensors and other sensor technologies."
 
Well, if it is from the internet it must be as true as the words that come from my keyboard. Those are all factors that could affect a breath sample, yes. Those would be addressed at trial and raised in the foundational introduction of any breath sample. If they were present, the Judge would not allow the results.
 
Jerry Punch said:
Well, if it is from the internet it must be as true as the words that come from my keyboard. Those are all factors that could affect a breath sample, yes. Those would be addressed at trial and raised in the foundational introduction of any breath sample. If they were present, the Judge would not allow the results.

Still waiting for the apology dumbass. Just admit you were wrong. :thumb:
 
GrizPony, some people refuse to admit they are wrong. Instead they rationalize that they are "less right." Maybe Jpun is one of those people.
 
Jerry Punch said:
GrizPony, I hope your ego can withstand a holiday weekend without an apology. I wish you only the best.

It has nothing to do with my ego sport. You are a sad little insecure man aren't you?
 

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