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Dr. Engstrom has finally had enough of the Missoulian?
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statler & waldorf
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ordigger said:
I will defend your right to enable the Missoulian to defame an degrade UM to the last drop of your blood. Let someone else fight the good fight. :roll:
As much as I appreciate Engstrom's anger over the LDS article, the University system seems to be over playing it's hand here. In the audio attached to the KGVO article, McRae says UM is thriving? As a taxpayer I find that absolutely offensive. If the mouthpiece for the commissioner of higher education thinks UM is thriving, then it's past time for firings.
:lol: Bravo G@W!!grizatwork said:
statler & waldorf
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As long as Stitt worships at the altar of Griz Football, what he does on his own time is his business, and ONLY his business. That goes for everyone, from the little old fan listening to' The Voice of the Grizzlies' at home, to the big bucks donors in their sky boxes. Being this thread is about Engstrom, how about withholding those donations until Engstrom is GONE, and withhold them LOUDLY! FRE!
Sorry, but an experienced and knowledgable pr team would not have fired off this over-the-top diatribe in response to the Missoulian article. The article was a one-time story. It accurately reported that the campus naysayers were making this claim. Engstrom's immediate, strident response simply keeps it alive in the public arena. A better response would have been to wait until asked for comment and then say something like: "University policy requires hiring based on merit. That's what we have done as long as I've been here. We make no apology for any of our hires, whatever their religious views may be." By apologizing to the Mormon hires and threatening legal action, Engstrom's doth protest too much. Another not-ready-for-prime-time administrative action by Main Hall.
bearister said:
I agree. This subject has been discussed around campus and in Missoula for several years. I also found it interesting, as others have pointed out, that Engstrom would come out firing on this subject, but just sat back and rolled over when the sexual assault, DOJ investigation, ncaa investigation stuff was going on--and failed to take meaningful action or even properly analyze the declining enrollment for years.
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Grizbeer said:
1. I think Royce has done enough, if not too much, to defend the university and get it in the right direction as far as the rape issue goes. Honestly you can't walk around campus without seeing shit about it and they make students take a course on rape and everything. It's retarded.
2. I commend him in defending the lds members in his staff(he is super not lds). The Mormons get enough shit as it is. And let's be honest... Lds members are generically more successful and harder working than others. If Royce was Mormon, I would have more faith in his financial direction.
3. I don't get why people are upset that there are Mormons being hired. If you look at most companies or institutes you will find that there are quite a few lds members at the top.
grizfromhel
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One aspect of this imbroglio that has received very little comment is the origin of the statement that there was a hiring bias in favor of LDS church members. It came from a letter circulated by two malcontents on the faculty one of whom is Doug Coffin, a professor who is also a state legislator. I have been around some committee hearings in Helena when Coffin starts his pontifications.
As you might anticipate from a very liberal member of the UM faculty, he makes it clear that anyone who disagrees with him is a moron. You can imagine how effect that is. In fact, if you wanted to deny the university system faculty a pay raise, you would probably just have to ask the majority (Republican) caucus a simple question: Does anybody think it's a good idea to give Doug Coffin a raise??
With faculty members like him, it's no wonder that many of us have lost confidence in the university we once revered.
As you might anticipate from a very liberal member of the UM faculty, he makes it clear that anyone who disagrees with him is a moron. You can imagine how effect that is. In fact, if you wanted to deny the university system faculty a pay raise, you would probably just have to ask the majority (Republican) caucus a simple question: Does anybody think it's a good idea to give Doug Coffin a raise??
With faculty members like him, it's no wonder that many of us have lost confidence in the university we once revered.
UMGriz75
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Had the two faculty members written a letter complaining of the "suspicious" hiring of four Muslims out of 200 or so recent hires, they would practically have been lynched for their Islamophobia. It is characteristic of many UM faculty that a pervasive anti-religious bigotry is permissible in some instances, and intolerable in others.
Had the victims been Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, agnostic or atheist, they would not have been victims at all. The problem, the only problem for UM faculty, is the fact that they were Mormon.
As usual, Engstrom's hyperventilated indignation missed the real problem -- the underlying complaint that UM is hiring Mormons at all, a covert bigotry but a real one nonetheless.
Had the victims been Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, agnostic or atheist, they would not have been victims at all. The problem, the only problem for UM faculty, is the fact that they were Mormon.
As usual, Engstrom's hyperventilated indignation missed the real problem -- the underlying complaint that UM is hiring Mormons at all, a covert bigotry but a real one nonetheless.
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