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Dodging Bullets (Schedule Anomalies)

IdaGriz01

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The Big Sky may have the worst setup, due to its size, but several of the larger conferences end up with their versions of the same problems. The term "contender" takes on a whole new meaning when "pretty good" teams get to avoid the other strong teams in their conference. Here's the article: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20160628160835120140404

And a key quote
STSTS Haley said:
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There's always going to be missed games In the 13-team Big Sky Conference - the largest in the FCS. This year, reigning champ Southern Utah won't face perennial power Eastern Washington, which won at least a share of the 2012, '13 and '14 titles.

But this year's missed games in the Big Sky are basically concentrated to 2015 runner-up Portland State, which won't face either Montana school (Montana and Montana State), North Dakota and Northern Arizona, and upstart North Dakota, which won't face Montana and Eastern Washington as well as Portland State.
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Worth reading the whole article.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
Southern Utah had the same advantage last year not playing Montana, Eastetn Washington, or North Dakota.
Which -- let's face it -- devalues the "conference championship" (IMO). You end up playing to get into the playoffs, with an "at-large" as good as the auto-bid. Not saying that SUU was not a good team. They were, and certainly deserved to be in the playoffs. But were they the very best team in the Big Sky? We'll never know. (Sad :( )
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Southern Utah had the same advantage last year not playing Montana, Eastetn Washington, or North Dakota.

They still would have won 2 of those 3 if not all 3

They would have smashed ND any time of the year, lost to Eastern early in the year but beat them later in the year and beat Montana any time Brady was gone, but if Brady was playing they would have lost. My take, at least.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
Southern Utah had the same advantage last year not playing Montana, Eastetn Washington, or North Dakota.


Yep and we saw what happened...a very mediocre team won the conference.....its a freaking embarassment the way this conf is ran.

If Portland doesnt have this conference wrapped up by week 8 it will be a miracle.
 
grizfan406 said:
With all that said, who in the BSC has the toughest schedule?
After a quick glance at the scheduels, I'd say ISU. They have to play @ UM, EWU, NAU, and PSU plus SUU and UND at home. They also play two PAC 12 games in OSU and Col. Pretty daunting with the record they had last year.
 
I too got to wondering who had the toughest schedule, so -- being a numbers guy -- I tried to calculate something. I started by rating the strength of all the Big Sky teams. Nothing fancy, I just calculated each team’s average number of wins over the past three years. I did not try to factor FBS or D-II opponents or any of that … just the total number of wins. I might have done something difference if those numbers turned out weird, but I thought the results were “good enough” for the purpose. The overall average for all BSC teams was 5.7 wins per year. So by the numbers, EWU, the Griz, and NAU are in the top tier, while NoCol, WSU, and UC-Davis are at the bottom. That pretty much agrees with what most of us would figure. The rest fall somewhere in between, and their relative positions fit okay with our gut feelings.

Team Strength (Average wins, three-year span)
9.7 EWU
9.0 Griz
7.7 NAU
6.7 MSU
6.3 SUU
6.0 PSU
5.7 Cal Poly
5.0 NoDak
4.7 Sac St
4.3 ISU
3.3 NoCol
3.3 WSU
3.0 UC-Davis

So for each Big Sky team I averaged the strengths of their conference games. I did not try to assess the OOC schedules because it’s the path to the conference “championship” that’s of interest. The schedulers actually did a pretty good job, considering all the factors involved, in giving everyone a reasonably competitive schedule -- the average difficulty ranges only across 1.5 points. The numbers do support the notion that ISU has the toughest conference schedule, BTW.

Conference Schedule Difficulty
6.5 ISU
6.4 NoCol
6.1 Griz
6.1 MSU
6.0 NAU
5.7 EWU
5.7 UC-Davis
5.6 SUU
5.6 WSU
5.5 Cal Poly
5.4 Sac St
5.2 NoDak
5.0 PSU

The ISU number gets way worse if you look at the road games versus home.
Code:
          Road   Home
ISU        8.1    4.8
UC-Davis   7.1    4.3
Griz       6.6    5.5
EWU        6.5    4.9
SUU        6.5    4.8
NoCol      6.1    6.6
MSU        5.8    6.4
Sac St     4.9    5.9
Cal Poly   4.8    6.3
NoDak      4.8    5.8
WSU        4.7    6.5
NAU        4.6    7.3
PSU        4.3    5.8
ISU plays their three toughest opponents -- EWU, NAU and UM -- on the road, as well as PSU. They get SUU plus some weak sisters at home, but, overall, they have a murderous schedule even without those two body bag games.

UC-Davis seems to have a middle-of-the-road conference schedule, but they too have a killer road schedule, with that 7.1 ratting. That’s because they play EWU, SUU, Cal Poly, and MSU on the road. They get to feast on WSU, NoCol and Sac State at home … but they also get PSU.

The observation about Portland State is right on the money BTW. Not only do they have the weakest overall conference schedule, they have by far the easiest road schedule. They play their toughest opponents, such as they are, at home … although they do close out the season with EWU, so it’s not all clear sailing.

One of the more interesting cases is NAU. Their schedule seems to be just a bit harder than EWU’s. However, NAU gets all but one of its tough opponents at home: EWU, Griz, and SUU. Their only moderately tough game on the road is at MSU. EWU has a much tougher road schedule.
 
grizfan95 said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Southern Utah had the same advantage last year not playing Montana, Eastetn Washington, or North Dakota.

They still would have won 2 of those 3 if not all 3

They would have smashed ND any time of the year, lost to Eastern early in the year but beat them later in the year and beat Montana any time Brady was gone, but if Brady was playing they would have lost. My take, at least.
Which Brady, the Brady of the first NDSU game or the Brady of the last NDSU game?
 
kemajic said:
grizfan95 said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Southern Utah had the same advantage last year not playing Montana, Eastetn Washington, or North Dakota.

They still would have won 2 of those 3 if not all 3

They would have smashed ND any time of the year, lost to Eastern early in the year but beat them later in the year and beat Montana any time Brady was gone, but if Brady was playing they would have lost. My take, at least.
Which Brady, the Brady of the first NDSU game or the Brady of the last NDSU game?

Brady wasn't the main problem in that second NDSU game. A NDSU front line that dominated ours and wouldn't allow us to come close to establishing anything resembling a run game was the difference maker.
 
grizfan95 said:
kemajic said:
grizfan95 said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
They still would have won 2 of those 3 if not all 3

They would have smashed ND any time of the year, lost to Eastern early in the year but beat them later in the year and beat Montana any time Brady was gone, but if Brady was playing they would have lost. My take, at least.
Which Brady, the Brady of the first NDSU game or the Brady of the last NDSU game?

Brady wasn't the main problem in that second NDSU game. A NDSU front line that dominated ours and wouldn't allow us to come close to establishing anything resembling a run game was the difference maker.

this.

So many people bash brady for the last game but even the best of QB's get demolished behind a bad O-line. I mean the Bronces/seahawks super bowl 2 years a go is a perfect example
 
IdaGriz01 said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Southern Utah had the same advantage last year not playing Montana, Eastetn Washington, or North Dakota.
Which -- let's face it -- devalues the "conference championship" (IMO). You end up playing to get into the playoffs, with an "at-large" as good as the auto-bid. Not saying that SUU was not a good team. They were, and certainly deserved to be in the playoffs. But were they the very best team in the Big Sky? We'll never know. (Sad :( )

I have to disagree with this based on how the conference as a whole and the teams mentioned that they didn't face turn out. EWU was just as bad as Montana State last year in the fact that they didn't have a defense, North Dakota was hit and miss just as much as we were, especially if they faced us without Brady. The fact that they murdered WSU and we lost to them at home on top of them only losing to PSU by going for a two-point conversion kind of reaffirms that in my mind. They earned their championship, nothing about the schedule should devalue that.
 
Brady was not the problem.NDSU freshman on both asides of the ball had 13 games under them and a very good defensive minded head coach who values possession of the football.
 
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