Did the "better team" really win

['68griz]

Hey,guys -- we lost, they won. End of story.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Your husband must be posting under your screen name.............that made sense.

 

[kemajic]

I own a Nike Pro Combat long sleeve shirt, much like the one the CC players and some Griz players were wearing. Standing outside in that shirt at -4 to 0 degrees doesn't keep someone that much warmer than if I was wearing a Nike Pro Combat short sleeve that went to just my elbows. The sleeves or no sleeves argument is just silly. Look at the App. State game, which was warmer by 13 degrees, but was snowing sideways, had a wind chill of about -10 and was played without one ray of sunshine. 90 percent of the Griz' players didn't wear sleeves that day either and they were just fine. And BTW, go back and watch the game again, MANY Griz players WERE wearing long sleeves on Saturday. I'll name some for ya: Jordan Johnson, Brock Coyle, Jamaal Jones, Ellis Henderson, Matt Hermanson, Bo Tully, Nate Harris, Josh Dennard, Anthony Goodwin, Mitch Saylor and those are just from memory.

Another interesting fact: Taliaferro, CC's BEST player, refused his coaches request and did not wear sleeves.

And he had his longest run of the season. That proves that not wearing sleeves made him a better player.

No, it proved our defense was flawed.

 

[Eriul]

I own a Nike Pro Combat long sleeve shirt, much like the one the CC players and some Griz players were wearing. Standing outside in that shirt at -4 to 0 degrees doesn't keep someone that much warmer than if I was wearing a Nike Pro Combat short sleeve that went to just my elbows. The sleeves or no sleeves argument is just silly. Look at the App. State game, which was warmer by 13 degrees, but was snowing sideways, had a wind chill of about -10 and was played without one ray of sunshine. 90 percent of the Griz' players didn't wear sleeves that day either and they were just fine. And BTW, go back and watch the game again, MANY Griz players WERE wearing long sleeves on Saturday. I'll name some for ya: Jordan Johnson, Brock Coyle, Jamaal Jones, Ellis Henderson, Matt Hermanson, Bo Tully, Nate Harris, Josh Dennard, Anthony Goodwin, Mitch Saylor and those are just from memory.

Another interesting fact: Taliaferro, CC's BEST player, refused his coaches request and did not wear sleeves.

And he had his longest run of the season. That proves that not wearing sleeves made him a better player.

No, it proved our defense was flawed.

fatally

 

['68griz]

Your husband must be posting under your screen name.............that made sense.

What the f--- are you talking about?!?!?

 

[kemajic]

You're right anything can happen. If you really think the chances are we wouldn't score than you are fooling yourself. The chances are > 95% that we would score a td from the 2. But it's ok, sick avoidance of the fact that this whole thread is hypothetical. HYPOTHETICALLY WE WOULD HAVE SCORED A TOUCHDOWN. Anything COULD happen you're right. But odds are better that we score a TD. I don't even know why I'm replying to you, your posts are so counter-productive.

Intentionally counterproductive to your silly extrapolation.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I own a Nike Pro Combat long sleeve shirt, much like the one the CC players and some Griz players were wearing. Standing outside in that shirt at -4 to 0 degrees doesn't keep someone that much warmer than if I was wearing a Nike Pro Combat short sleeve that went to just my elbows. The sleeves or no sleeves argument is just silly. Look at the App. State game, which was warmer by 13 degrees, but was snowing sideways, had a wind chill of about -10 and was played without one ray of sunshine. 90 percent of the Griz' players didn't wear sleeves that day either and they were just fine. And BTW, go back and watch the game again, MANY Griz players WERE wearing long sleeves on Saturday. I'll name some for ya: Jordan Johnson, Brock Coyle, Jamaal Jones, Ellis Henderson, Matt Hermanson, Bo Tully, Nate Harris, Josh Dennard, Anthony Goodwin, Mitch Saylor and those are just from memory.

Another interesting fact: Taliaferro, CC's BEST player, refused his coaches request and did not wear sleeves.

And he had his longest run of the season. That proves that not wearing sleeves made him a better player.

No, it proved our defense was flawed.

fatally

Exactly. :thumb:

 

[UMGriz75]

First downs?
CCU 23
UM 22

Total Yards?
UM 557
CCU 476

Plays?
UM 82
CCU 72

Avg gain?
UM 6.8
CCU: 6.6

Yds Passing?
UM: 388
CCU: 202

Comp/Att
UM: 24/28 .. 86%
CCU: 16/21.. 76%

Those are respectable statistics for a "losing" team. Indeed, they usually signify a "winning" team.

Reading some of the criticisms, on the other hand, it's hard to believe the Griz were within one touchdown of CCU.

Now, three times the Griz were set to score and should have and didn't. They didn't get there by being outplayed. And it isn't a matter of "shoulda', woulda', didn't," a poor team doesn't get that much yardage, that good of position without outplaying their opponents for 21 theoretical, but earnable, points. The fact is, there should have been three scores, there weren't and the failure to do so is as much CCU's good luck as anything.

Fourth Quarter momentum to the Griz. Two reffing calls: missed offsides resulting in interception and turnover to CCU, and then the play callback.

"That's outrageous and has a tremendous effect on the game." -- Al Groh. Those were two bad calls at key points in UM's "comeback."

For whatever reasons, these Griz work best under pressure. Two tied scores this season, achieved at the last minute, and they won both of them in overtime. Notwithstanding the adverse health effects on fans, this was very much a 4th Quarter, momentum-driven, team.

Did the loss of the 2 yard ball placement have an effect? Well, the most experienced coach in the stadium -- Al Groh -- said as much. It breaks momentum, it breaks morale, and it came at precisely the time and place that the Grizzlies have perversely succeeded during this season. It had a "tremendous effect on the game," because he could see that the Griz had turned the game around and was just about to tie it up, and CCU was "on it's heels."

Ikipedia: "Al Groh (born July 13, 1944) is the former head coach of the University of Virginia football team, the Wake Forest Demon Deacons football team, and the New York Jets of the NFL.

"He is a two-time Atlantic Coast Conference Coach of the Year, winning the award in 2002 and 2007. Groh has over 38 years of professional and collegiate coaching experience; this history includes 13 seasons in the NFL, a Super Bowl title with the New York Giants, and over a decade of working under coach Bill Parcells."

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I agree with everything you said, '75, but as been pointed out elsewhere on the board, Groh had a 15-season college record of 85-92, which might prevent him from achieving God-like status.

 

[argh!]

Comp/Att
UM: 24/28 .. 86%
CCU: 16/21.. 76%

this is way off.

 

[jodcon]

Comp/Att
UM: 24/28 .. 86%
CCU: 16/21.. 76%

this is way off.

24/48...50%

 

[Sportin' Life]

Comp/Att
UM: 24/28 .. 86%
CCU: 16/21.. 76%

Those are respectable statistics for a "losing" team. Indeed, they usually signify a "winning" team.

The reason the Griz lost is exactly the stat that you grossly misstated. UM's completion percentage was 50%, or 24/48. Basically if you run 24 plays for no gain, many of them on third or fourth down you are going to lose. Basically it came down to, as many have pointed out, that the Griz passing game was all about heaving the long ball and not making high percentage chains-moving passes.

ETA: I guess I am the third to point this out. Remind me not to make a factual error about a football game on egriz, lest I get piled on.

 

[argh!]

I own a Nike Pro Combat long sleeve shirt, much like the one the CC players and some Griz players were wearing. Standing outside in that shirt at -4 to 0 degrees doesn't keep someone that much warmer than if I was wearing a Nike Pro Combat short sleeve that went to just my elbows. The sleeves or no sleeves argument is just silly. Look at the App. State game, which was warmer by 13 degrees, but was snowing sideways, had a wind chill of about -10 and was played without one ray of sunshine. 90 percent of the Griz' players didn't wear sleeves that day either and they were just fine. And BTW, go back and watch the game again, MANY Griz players WERE wearing long sleeves on Saturday. I'll name some for ya: Jordan Johnson, Brock Coyle, Jamaal Jones, Ellis Henderson, Matt Hermanson, Bo Tully, Nate Harris, Josh Dennard, Anthony Goodwin, Mitch Saylor and those are just from memory.

Another interesting fact: Taliaferro, CC's BEST player, refused his coaches request and did not wear sleeves.

the sleeve argument isn't bs when combined with the no parka/only one heater argument. also, can you define "not that much warmer"? are you talking about standing still, or playing football?

i run 10 miles a day, about 360 days a year, through all kinds of weather. proper clothing makes all the difference. if i wear too little in the cold, i will feel way more tired at the end of a run. i imagine even the griz players who weren't on the field more than a few times were beat after that game.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I agree with almost everything you said, '75...

FIFM :lol:

 

[NLGrizFan]

You guys are gonna beat this all the way thru the off season, arent ya? :lol: The Griz lost. Its over. CCU is playing NDSU this weekend. The Griz are still trying to thaw out. I'll agree there was some $hit calls but its over. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. No "replaying" them, no "grievances" it is what it is, Over.

 

[montana_jack]

I own a Nike Pro Combat long sleeve shirt, much like the one the CC players and some Griz players were wearing. Standing outside in that shirt at -4 to 0 degrees doesn't keep someone that much warmer than if I was wearing a Nike Pro Combat short sleeve that went to just my elbows. The sleeves or no sleeves argument is just silly. Look at the App. State game, which was warmer by 13 degrees, but was snowing sideways, had a wind chill of about -10 and was played without one ray of sunshine. 90 percent of the Griz' players didn't wear sleeves that day either and they were just fine. And BTW, go back and watch the game again, MANY Griz players WERE wearing long sleeves on Saturday. I'll name some for ya: Jordan Johnson, Brock Coyle, Jamaal Jones, Ellis Henderson, Matt Hermanson, Bo Tully, Nate Harris, Josh Dennard, Anthony Goodwin, Mitch Saylor and those are just from memory.

Another interesting fact: Taliaferro, CC's BEST player, refused his coaches request and did not wear sleeves.

the sleeve argument isn't bs when combined with the no parka/only one heater argument. also, can you define "not that much warmer"? are you talking about standing still, or playing football?

i run 10 miles a day, about 360 days a year, through all kinds of weather. proper clothing makes all the difference. if i wear too little in the cold, i will feel way more tired at the end of a run. i imagine even the griz players who weren't on the field more than a few times were beat after that game.

Running 10 miles at any time is too damn much.

 

[UMGriz75]

Comp/Att
UM: 24/28 .. 86%
CCU: 16/21.. 76%

this is way off.

24/48...50%

Well, sorry about that.

The Missoulian reports specifically as follows:

CCU/UM
"Yards passing 202 388
Comp-Att-Int 16-21-0 24-28-1"

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/coastal-carolina-knocks-out-montana/article_fd32c1e2-5f69-11e3-97ea-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nasty typo.

 

[cclarkblues]

The smarter team that day won.
The team that made the least mistakes that day won.
The warmer team that day won.
The team that executed it's gameplan the best on that day won.
The team that got most of the call that day won.

I don't know who the better team was.