Delaney wants 2-3 more years, or more

[mtgrizrule]

I don't understand why so many people are calling for a HC without Montana ties. Those connections have worked out pretty damn well for us in the past. There's something special about this program, and not everyone will get that.

Somehow they think it will strengthen the program, make us better. Personally, I don't care where we hire from, or a coaches background, GRIZ ties or not. I just want to see us consistently have good coaches with great teams. The school has done that for the most part of the last 25 + years. For that, I am thankful for.

As frustrated as I was by the 2012 season, Mick walked into a shitstorm of difficult circumstances. This year, there are no excuses. This season is 100% on Mick, for better or worse. :thumb:

 

[gotgame75]

Homer

:lol: :thumb:

No, I just think he is a great football coach. A tremendous leader and mentor.

I really think 2013 will be a fun year to watch Griz football. Hope I am right...

Well, you do certainly seem to be in the minority with that view. Just curious, what FACTS can you state that prove he's a good coach??? Being a "tremendous leader" doesn't mean shit if you can't win football games. Listen, I hope for our sake as fans that he does well this season too, but what do you see in his 30+ year coaching career that makes "great" coaching material??? I ask because no other school (save for 1 less than spectacular season at powerhouse Western) in the nation deemed him fit to lead their program during his entire tenure. He ended up with this job by default, literally, and that is a fact. We were all pleasantly surprised by his recruiting class this year, but recruiting is only one facet in a very complex job. That's like buying a dog and saying its great just because it doesn't piss on the carpet.

Anything less than a total turn around and he should be gone. This team has enough talent to succeed in spite of the coaching regardless...

Delaney was a crucial to FBS Colorado State University for 15 years! Even his famous coaching buddy Sonny Lubick (Butte - Homer) will tell you that. But you don't know that, you don't know what Mick has done. You just look for head coaching record. How lame are the haters on the this board? Mick was critical in CSU's vaunted running game. He chose the blocking schemes and plays. He did many, many administrative duties there, and has mentored many runningbacks into the NFL! Cecial Sapp credits Delaney for turning him into an NFL back, and was like a father to him. So yes, he can coach. Ask any player if he can coach!

You have obviously proven yourself to be WAY to be close to be even remotely unbiased in your opinion. He may be the greatest position coach in the world, but it takes a much different set of skills to be great head coach and, to this point, he has a hell of a lot to prove in that department. The college and NFL coaching ranks are littered with the remains of great position coaches that failed as head coaches (ie Tony Sparano). I would love for Delaney to succeed and prove us all wrong, but he hasn't done a lot to instill confidence in the fan base. I give major kudos to the guy for his recruiting class this year, but none of that matters if you can't even remember to choose to not kick off at the start of both halves. It is this basic lack of game management skills that worries the fan base. I am hopeful, but not optimistic, that we will see a MAJOR upgrade in that department.

And for those comparing the first seasons of both Delaney and Pflugrad, I worry about your basic intelligence if you don't see the very basic and drastic differences...

 

[bigtyme]

Nothing will change at UM until we start hiring people the good, old fashioned honest way. Engstrom was Dennison's back room choice after a flawed so-called national search. Same thing with Haslam as he was Engstrom's choice after another surface national search with Haslam's outstanding key qualification of being a fundraiser under O'Day. It was a different matter with Delaney as he was hired when we may not of had another choice given the circumstances at the time.

Which is why three people were just let go by the AD.

 

[Copper Griz]

:lol: :thumb:

No, I just think he is a great football coach. A tremendous leader and mentor.

I really think 2013 will be a fun year to watch Griz football. Hope I am right...

Well, you do certainly seem to be in the minority with that view. Just curious, what FACTS can you state that prove he's a good coach??? Being a "tremendous leader" doesn't mean shit if you can't win football games. Listen, I hope for our sake as fans that he does well this season too, but what do you see in his 30+ year coaching career that makes "great" coaching material??? I ask because no other school (save for 1 less than spectacular season at powerhouse Western) in the nation deemed him fit to lead their program during his entire tenure. He ended up with this job by default, literally, and that is a fact. We were all pleasantly surprised by his recruiting class this year, but recruiting is only one facet in a very complex job. That's like buying a dog and saying its great just because it doesn't piss on the carpet.

Anything less than a total turn around and he should be gone. This team has enough talent to succeed in spite of the coaching regardless...

Delaney was a crucial to FBS Colorado State University for 15 years! Even his famous coaching buddy Sonny Lubick (Butte - Homer) will tell you that. But you don't know that, you don't know what Mick has done. You just look for head coaching record. How lame are the haters on the this board? Mick was critical in CSU's vaunted running game. He chose the blocking schemes and plays. He did many, many administrative duties there, and has mentored many runningbacks into the NFL! Cecial Sapp credits Delaney for turning him into an NFL back, and was like a father to him. So yes, he can coach. Ask any player if he can coach!

You have obviously proven yourself to be WAY to be close to be even remotely unbiased in your opinion. He may be the greatest position coach in the world, but it takes a much different set of skills to be great head coach and, to this point, he has a hell of a lot to prove in that department. The college and NFL coaching ranks are littered with the remains of great position coaches that failed as head coaches (ie Tony Sparano). I would love for Delaney to succeed and prove us all wrong, but he hasn't done a lot to instill confidence in the fan base. I give major kudos to the guy for his recruiting class this year, but none of that matters if you can't even remember to choose to not kick off at the start of both halves. It is this basic lack of game management skills that worries the fan base. I am hopeful, but not optimistic, that we will see a MAJOR upgrade in that department.

And for those comparing the first seasons of both Delaney and Pflugrad, I worry about your basic intelligence if you don't see the very basic and drastic differences...

Yes, and your IQ is impressive I am sure Einstein. I just want to know if you will own your comments at the end of the season when the Griz have completed a very successful season. Let me guess, you will be nowhere to be found. I am not a huge fan of Mick D, but atleast I am "intelligent" enough to know last season was a shit storm when he inherited the program. You are going to get rid of him based on last season? You truly are a mental midget who has no ability to think critically in an unbiased fashion.

 

[Hammer]

Delaney's OUTSTANDING 2013 recruiting class ALONE proves he is a great coach...

Follow that up with a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RUN this seaason and next...

And you crybabies will have egg on your face.

Just because a coach can recruit doesn't make him a great coach. Know the difference before you start talking. :roll:

Every coach in America will tell you that recruiting is the #1 thing that a great coach must be able to do. So know that before you mouth-breathe again.

maybe so, but I don't care what kids are on the field returning a kick when they are coached to be 20 yards off the line....cough, cough....Southern Utah

Do you really think Mick called that play?

 

[Potomac Griz]

Delaney's OUTSTANDING 2013 recruiting class ALONE proves he is a great coach...

Follow that up with a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RUN this seaason and next...

And you crybabies will have egg on your face.

His lifetime head coaching record is 10–17–1. Before he took over as the HC of the Griz his record was 5-11-1 at the NAIA level. Not exactly an amazing record....

Recruiting is obviously a huge part, but recruiting isn't everything, ask Pat Kennedy that one (Great recruiter, not-so-great results on the BB court).

I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but even with JJ back I'm pretty worried about this season.

 

[Hammer]

Delaney's OUTSTANDING 2013 recruiting class ALONE proves he is a great coach...

Follow that up with a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RUN this seaason and next...

And you crybabies will have egg on your face.

His lifetime head coaching record is 10–17–1. Before he took over as the HC of the Griz his record was 5-11-1 at the NAIA level. Not exactly an amazing record....

Recruiting is obviously a huge part, but recruiting isn't everything, ask Pat Kennedy that one (Great recruiter, not-so-great results on the BB court).

I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but even with JJ back I'm pretty worried about this season.

So, outside of your total lack of confidence in the HC, what else about the 2013 Griz worries you? Was your statement based entirely on the fact that Mick Delaney was the HC or do you have concerns elsewhere?

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Somebody's going to have to coach the team during the 2-3 year postseason ban. May as well wait until it's over. Weren't we supposed to know by know about the NCAA findings? :?

 

[Hammer]

Somebody's going to have to coach the team during the 2-3 year postseason ban.

Ha ha yeah right. :roll:

 

[grizindabox]

Just because a coach can recruit doesn't make him a great coach. Know the difference before you start talking. :roll:

Every coach in America will tell you that recruiting is the #1 thing that a great coach must be able to do. So know that before you mouth-breathe again.

maybe so, but I don't care what kids are on the field returning a kick when they are coached to be 20 yards off the line....cough, cough....Southern Utah

Do you really think Mick called that play?

I really think that the head coach is ultimately responsible for what his assistant coach calls.

 

[rimrockgriz]

Looks like they ran out of Pabst at the vu villa.... arty: There were multiple pr*ck ups last year that won't be tolerated this year...yes... the S.U.U. was a major f.....g blunder. M.D. will have to pull off multiple playoff wins for Rolls to shoe horn him in for another year or so... :egriz:

 

[PlayerRep]

Intuitive, no one is trying to discredit anything Mick has done, but the jury is still out on whether he can be a good head coach and so far, the showing on the field tends to lean towards he is not a very good head coach.

The jury is still out, but there's not much actual evidencem yet, that he's not a good head coach. A couple bonehead calls (by him or someone on his staff) combined with a losing season in last year's situation, is not evidence of his not being a good head coach.

He became head coach, after signing day, under difficult circumstances. He inherited someone else's assistant coaches. He lost his potentially great qb for the season, and inherited a group of qb's with zero completions in their college careers and only 4 total passes in college in total. Name one D-I school in the history of the universe that has ever had as little qb experience.

His team had a lead in all 6 of the games they lost. Some have criticized the OC, who is now gone.

I'm of the view that UM would have likely won every game, had the team had Johnson as the qb last year. Who would be criticizing Delaney now if UM had been undefeated, or almost undefeated?

It's almost universally admitted that he was a great position coach and is a great guy.

JJ is back. Two other qb's have starting experience and are a year older. There's a nice looking redshirt frosh qb. Terrific depth at qb this year. Does anyone not agree that qb is a very important position to any football team? The team has multiple terrific players and considerable depth. There is pent up demand, within the team (as well as the fans), to restore the Griz to where it's been for over 25 years.

Why do some fans have to be such dumbass dicks, especially when they don't even understand the game? Stop embarrassing yourselves and UM football. Why don't support the team and coaches, and cheer for a great season. There'll be plenty of time to bitch during and after the season.

 

[PlayerRep]

Every coach in America will tell you that recruiting is the #1 thing that a great coach must be able to do. So know that before you mouth-breathe again.

maybe so, but I don't care what kids are on the field returning a kick when they are coached to be 20 yards off the line....cough, cough....Southern Utah

Do you really think Mick called that play?

I really think that the head coach is ultimately responsible for what his assistant coach calls.

I agree, but that's doesn't mean the head coach made the call. I assume you understand the difference between making a dumb call, and having someone on your staff who made a dumb call? You do see the difference, don't you?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Intuitive, no one is trying to discredit anything Mick has done, but the jury is still out on whether he can be a good head coach and so far, the showing on the field tends to lean towards he is not a very good head coach.

If the jury is still out, then it's still out, and we should all withhold judgment.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Spanky and Grizzoola,

I disagree that our hiring processes are flawed. The quote-unquote old fashioned way to hire a head coach in college football is to go after the head coach you want and offer him a boat-load of money. Our problem is that we are not even willing to compete, in terms of pay, at the top tier in FCS football.

It's not just the head coach. You also need to pay assistant coaches more than we currently pay the head guy.

And if we don't even want to compete at the FCS level, talk of moving up is downright laughable.

 

[grizindabox]

Intuitive, no one is trying to discredit anything Mick has done, but the jury is still out on whether he can be a good head coach and so far, the showing on the field tends to lean towards he is not a very good head coach.

The jury is still out, but there's not much actual evidencem yet, that he's not a good head coach. A couple bonehead calls (by him or someone on his staff) combined with a losing season in last year's situation, is not evidence of his not being a good head coach.

He became head coach, after signing day, under difficult circumstances. He inherited someone else's assistant coaches. He lost his potentially great qb for the season, and inherited a group of qb's with zero completions in their college careers and only 4 total passes in college in total. Name one D-I school in the history of the universe that has ever had as little qb experience.

His team had a lead in all 6 of the games they lost. Some have criticized the OC, who is now gone.

I'm of the view that UM would have likely won every game, had the team had Johnson as the qb last year. Who would be criticizing Delaney now if UM had been undefeated, or almost undefeated?

It's almost universally admitted that he was a great position coach and is a great guy.

JJ is back. Two other qb's have starting experience and are a year older. There's a nice looking redshirt frosh qb. Terrific depth at qb this year. Does anyone not agree that qb is a very important position to any football team? The team has multiple terrific players and considerable depth. There is pent up demand, within the team (as well as the fans), to restore the Griz to where it's been for over 25 years.

Why do some fans have to be such dumbass dicks, especially when they don't even understand the game? Stop embarrassing yourselves and UM football. Why don't support the team and coaches, and cheer for a great season. There'll be plenty of time to bitch during and after the season.

I'm of the view that UM would have likely won every game, had the team had Andrew Luck as the qb last year. PR, my tongue-in-cheek argument is just as valid as yours. It does not matter what could have happened, it is all about what did happen. I am not saying that MD can not or is not a good head coach, but his previous stint at Western and the results from last season do not support that argument. We will see how things transpire in the Fall.

Also, are you stating that because a QB has starting experience and is a year older, he is better?

You should take your own advice, quit being a dick.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Intuitive, no one is trying to discredit anything Mick has done, but the jury is still out on whether he can be a good head coach and so far, the showing on the field tends to lean towards he is not a very good head coach.

If the jury is still out, then it's still out, and we should all withhold judgment.

Having the jury still be out on Delaney and witholding judgement are fine "phrases" for now. The orginal focus of this thread was that Delaney wanted a new 2-3 year deal. He would have to have a "great" turn around season to earn that type of contract IMO. By the way, no new deal until after the season. Delaney still has to prove that he is up to the challenge of leading this program.

 

[grizindabox]

maybe so, but I don't care what kids are on the field returning a kick when they are coached to be 20 yards off the line....cough, cough....Southern Utah

Do you really think Mick called that play?

I really think that the head coach is ultimately responsible for what his assistant coach calls.

I agree, but that's doesn't mean the head coach made the call. I assume you understand the difference between making a dumb call, and having someone on your staff who made a dumb call? You do see the difference, don't you?

I did not say he made the call, but the head coach is still the person ultimately responsible for the decisions made by his staff. He reaps the rewards when calls by his staff are successful and takes the blame when they are not. You can understand that concept, don't you?

 

[spsyk]

I only have one concern for the 2013 season, and that is coach Delaney can keep his headphones upon his dome. The kids might have to get the job done without a headcoach
this year.

 

[Ursa Major]

If the jury is still out I think they are only bilking the system for free meals and an extended "dream" stay at the Residence Inn.

To be fair Mick inherited a less than ideal situation but I think any objective observer that watched last season and views his accomplishments as a head coach would find it hard to rate MD as a great or even competent head coach. Quit fucking around and be real. How would you rate him if he were the coach of any other program?

My hope for 2013 game days is they tune his headphones into a pleasant golden oldies channel and the coordinators and players get it done.