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jgilder68 said:
Holst brought home 2 championships in 4 years. How many other Griz BBall coaches can say that?
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Depends on what you mean by championships. Griz only won 1 regular season championship under Holst who couldn't get the team to win the Big Sky Tournament that year. Gee, Krysko won two Big Sky Tournaments.

His other championship was the big Sky Tournament which his team finished worse than this years team in the regular season. Regular season record in 2002 was 13 - 14 (not counting exhibition games), and Big Sky Record was 7 - 7. Team was seeded 5th.

So, by using Holst as the measure of a great coach, then Krysko is one hell of a great coach. Wayne Tinkle is about to become a great coach after this year's team wins the Big Sky Tournament. Heck, Tinkle already has a better record overall than Holst.
 
The Griz program continued the decline started in Taylor's last years, under Holst. IMHO, hiring Holst to begin with was a huge mistake by Hogan. I would not expect any Griz coach with a losing (D1) record over 4 years to be retained although the way his firing and subsequent new coach hiring was handled left tons to be desired and to say the least, also worked out poorly. :twocents:
 
GrizWhiz said:
The Griz program continued the decline started in Taylor's last years, under Holst. IMHO, hiring Holst to begin with was a huge mistake by Hogan. I would not expect any Griz coach with a losing (D1) record over 4 years to be retained although the way his firing and subsequent new coach hiring was handled left tons to be desired and to say the least, also worked out poorly. :twocents:
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You are right that the b-ball program began it's slide under Taylor. Taylor's recruiting really trailed off the last few years. The program was already at the bottom when Holst took over. Holst was also handicapped by the fact that Hogan named him as the "interim" head coach for his first year. Think about what that does for your recruiting when your head coach doesn't have the support of the AD and every recruit knows it. That was a big mistake on Hogan's part. Either name him the head coach or find the guy you really want, but don't waste a year with the "interim" label on your head coach.
 
Interim coach, good point! I also can't remember how many times the Grizzly men have hosted the BSC tournament. The Griz did it under Holst but bowed out unfortunately. I'm sure Holst's detractors have excuses as to why his championships were not valid but the bottom line is that Holst accomplished some remarkable things as this universitys coach and deserves some credit for it.
 
Talent wise this years team has more depth than any other team
I have seen in the Big Sky. It is true that some players are new;
but the recruiting was very strong the last several yrs. Its obvious
that WT needs better assistants; Griz coaches cannot lead a team
without its respect. Larry had Brad. At the start of the season one of the more recalcitrant players stated that he could get away with
anything this year. :lame:
 
Ballhog said:
Talent wise this years team has more depth than any other team
I have seen in the Big Sky. It is true that some players are new;
but the recruiting was very strong the last several yrs. Its obvious
that WT needs better assistants; Griz coaches cannot lead a team
without its respect. Larry had Brad. At the start of the season one of the more recalcitrant players stated that he could get away with
anything this year. :lame:
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In what way is it obvious that Wayne needs "better assistants"? IMHO he has good assistants. Marso was especially successful as the head coach of one of the premier JC hoops programs in the country. Remember, Marso was hired by Krysko before he left. Hill was also hired by Krysko. :twocents:
 
I just think some players have a tough time learning from someone they saw as the soft assistant. It's more the players than the staff. Look at Cam, who never had LK, he listens to Tinks. If you listened to the postgame show the other night Tinks said that he was "kind of in the ozone layer" or something like that and the staff was able to get him going.
 
GrizWhiz said:
Ballhog said:
Talent wise this years team has more depth than any other team
I have seen in the Big Sky. It is true that some players are new;
but the recruiting was very strong the last several yrs. Its obvious
that WT needs better assistants; Griz coaches cannot lead a team
without its respect. Larry had Brad. At the start of the season one of the more recalcitrant players stated that he could get away with
anything this year. :lame:
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In what way is it obvious that Wayne needs "better assistants"? IMHO he has good assistants. Marso was especially successful as the head coach of one of the premier JC hoops programs in the country. Remember, Marso was hired by Krysko before he left. Hill was also hired by Krysko. :twocents:
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Back off the assistants please. Granted I do not have time to attend every practice, nor as many as I would like and have no idea what happens at practices I have not observed. However, I have observed practices under LK and WT. Each practice and/or clinic I have learned something very valuable from each coach. From what I have observed each coach uses the right mix of understanding, criticism, encouragement, and expect each player's best effort individually and as a team. This staff does not lack in it's efforts or its thinking.

Yes this year's team has been a rollercoaster as for results. IMHO this "team" collectively is to be held accountable as a whole. The coaches and players are to share equally in taking responsibilty for an inconsistent season. I will not argue anyone that regarding this team falling short this year. But to place blame directly on a few individuals for the whole year is not right.

Early in the season was a matter of our perimeter game struggling majorly. Many games they have executed the offense, the shots just did not fall!!! The offense still struggles for stretches, but very seldom struggles a whole damn game anymore. That is a good sign. Another good sign is bench players are stepping up every game in conference play. Offensively, compared to many 1A teams this team executes much better than average.

Defensively, early in the year we had way too many assignment breakdowns. Those breaksdowns have been much fewer and further in between as for assignments. YES, NAU 1st half was very bad as for team and individual breakdowns. I credit BSC opposition for great coaching and better scouting. Fact is, teams have figured out we so heavily rely on Hasquet and Strait offensively that teams benefit dramatically in attacking the paint. Hasquet and Strait are both solid defenders, problem is we have "no" paint defensive presence to lessen the burden on them. We also do not have big enough guards to help out the way Criswell and Matthews did. Ellis can't being his job is ball pressure and denying his man the ball. Martin is best playing the passing lanes and can hold his own on the ball. Dloughy and Mayes are too busy concentrating on any given teams best scorer. Our defense is best when Dloughy and Mayes are playing the 2 and 3, only then we have the luxury of a guard able to help in the paint.

Defensively, there are 2 players I feel would be huge helps to us for versatility, size, and what they bring athletically. Unfortunately, they do not see PT for whatever reasons. Swift and Vanderjagt I believe have the right make up to be defensive assets, but this year just are not.

If this team were so bad, we would be getting blown out every game. That is not the case. We are "in" every game. Every game is close and comes down to "crunch" time. This team is not as far off as record indicates. GO GRIZ, prove me right and win another BSC tourney!!!!!! :thumb:
 
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