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College Basketball's Achilles Heel: The Refs

citygriz

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For years so many of you have complained about the Big Sky refs. But it's a far bigger problem than just the Big Sky. Take yesterday's Gonzaga game, and three crucial misses by the refs--all in the second half.
--An Arkansas player drives the baseline and clearly steps out of bounds. No call. There ensues a critical three-point make by Arkansas.
--A Gonzaga players spills to the floor while dribbling at the top of the key. No call. Replays not only show he was tripped, but probably intentionally.
--Holmgren with four fouls goes up for a block. He's clearly vertical--but gets his fifth foul. Game changer.
Last week, in another game, an Iowa kid was fouled late on a three-point shot--right on his shooting arm, right in front of the ref. No call.
For college basketball, you simply have too many games spread out over an inadequate pool of part-time refs.
I watch a lot of Warrior games as you all know. Refs make mistakes; of the challenges by NBA coaches, about 44% are overturned. Many of those calls are contested out-of-bounds plays or goaltending calls where the action is so fast you sometimes have trouble seeing the correct call even on replay. But by and large and in general, NBA refs are full-time professionals, and they do a great job.
Not so in college.
And when you're on a big-time stage, with millions of dollars at stake on the outcomes of these games, it is a travesty to see the quality of the refereeing.
 
Wow...some refs missed some calls in some basketball games like umps on balls and strikes in the World Series and football officials in the Super Bowl. Lightning last action with a chance for human error a few times a game. All there for us to review in hdtv super slow mo.

TV announcers seemed real concerned with Holmgrens every 2nd half foul. I think Gonzaga had 3 total fouls all on him about 15 minutes into that 2nd half......Arkansas had 9! My reffing question last night.....why wasn't Timme ever called for 3 seconds. I know it's not called much but after about 10 "5 seconds" maybe once?

Go watch a Warriors game Citay!
 
I agree with citay's specifics on the Gonzaga game. Holmgren's 4th was also questionable and shouldn't have been called. Also, at least one first half call on Holmgren shouldn't have been called either. In addition, Timme and others were getting mugged in the paint, particularly the second half. Once, there should have been a tie ball called, before Timme ripped it loose and followed through with a bad shot/lay-in attempt. Several times Timme and another were so hampered that the refs let them drag the defenders and take an extra step. Fouls were 20-17, Ark, for the game.

As for Mouse's comments, yes, bad calls are part of the game, but there were way too many missed or bad calls in this game. Same with an earlier Baylor game. A reffing team shouldn't miss such an obvious step out of bounds call, when the foot is that far out of bounds. If refs aren't held accountable, they aren't going to improve. This crew made some inexcusable mistakes for an important game like this. It wasn't just one or two calls. There were a lot. I know refs won't be perfect, but, in my view, they are bad too often.

The refs gave the kid picking up charges too many of them early, but then started calling them better. Early, he wasn't always set, altho he had some good ones too.

Perhaps the reason Timme might have gotten an extra second in the key, might have been because he was given extra time for carrying 2 or 3 defenders, who had ahold of his arms, with him to the hoop.

The ref that called the 5th Holmgren foul should be sent home. That was a god awful call from any angle and any distance. It was so bad that the refs should have huddled with him and told him he was wrong.
 
I have to agree with Citay on this. Normally i stick up for ref’s as i understand they have a difficult job, however this years tourney has been rough. It has been noted by the media during the tourney and should be addressed by NCAA after it’s over
 
wyomingriz said:
I have to agree with Citay on this. Normally i stick up for ref’s as i understand they have a difficult job, however this years tourney has been rough. It has been noted by the media during the tourney and should be addressed by NCAA after it’s over
Every game, it seems, has had some highly questionable calls. Have also been watching some recorded and/or rerun games, so you kinda know some to look for. One call was a Hanging on the Rim technical. Flagrantly bad call. Yes, he hung on the rim for an extra beat, but that was what he needed to kill his momentum. Had he not done so, he would have landed on his hip and shoulder and cleaned out the row of spirit squad members, photographers, etc. He and someone(s) else might have been badly injured.
 
Every foul call so far in 2d half of St. Peters game has been wrong or a no-call. The 3d foul against St. P. big guy in paint, hitting the big Purdue guy, should not have been called. The ref who made the bad call is a frequent Big Sly ref. I've seen him many times in Missoula.

Yes, another bad call. The announcers said that, i.e. they saw nothing.
 
The Big Sky ref just missed the double travel in the paint. The guy jumped twice, raising both feet a bit, and then went up and made the shot. The ref was right there several feet away. What an awful missed call. The replay camera under the basket had a great view, and showed both travels.
 
The Big Sky ref just made the call under basket, fouling out a St. Peters player. I missed the replay. Sounds like the announcers agreed with the call. Didn't look like much to me, but perhaps I just missed it.

Edit: I see that this ref in the game has also officiated Big Sky games, including in 2022. Anyone know anything about him?

Chris Rastatter
 
Lots going on in Houston Villanova game. Neither team got to bonus in first half. Pretty physical! I think I might have seen a couple missed fouls so far!🤔
 
Here what I noted in almost every game: entire games were played where teams didn’t get into the double bonus either half.

Wonder what that’s like? I guess I thought it was normal to call 48-50 fouls a game….
 
I've noticed almost every close block/charge call has gone charge these days. Did they change the rule or interpretation? Lots of guys getting the spot after the driver is airborne and only the most egregious flops are flagged. Makes it tough on the driver and I like transition action.
 
wyomingriz said:
I have to agree with Citay on this. Normally i stick up for ref’s as i understand they have a difficult job, however this years tourney has been rough. It has been noted by the media during the tourney and should be addressed by NCAA after it’s over

I doubt smaller conferences with miniscule revenues can spring for the cost of full time refs though it wouldn't put much of a dent in the dough the Big Dogs rake in.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sec-generates-777-8-million-in-revenue-in-2020-21-distributes-an-average-of-54-6-million-per-school/

You'd need a bunch and at the NBA level:https://fanbuzz.com/nba/nba-referee-salary/. Also a relatively short season would make it hard to pay like it was a full time position.


Never fear though, help is on the way:https://psuvanguard.com/robot-referees-in-basketball/
 
AZGrizFan said:
Here what I noted in almost every game: entire games were played where teams didn’t get into the double bonus either half.

Wonder what that’s like? I guess I thought it was normal to call 48-50 fouls a game….

This
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mthoopsfan said:
The Big Sky ref just made the call under basket, fouling out a St. Peters player. I missed the replay. Sounds like the announcers agreed with the call. Didn't look like much to me, but perhaps I just missed it.

Edit: I see that this ref in the game has also officiated Big Sky games, including in 2022. Anyone know anything about him?

Chris Rastatter

yeah, seen him a dozen+ times. He did the Big Sky Championship game a few years ago that the Griz were in. Use to see him a lot. I'm assuming he does Pac-12 and other higher-profile leagues more these days. He's average but fair,IMO. He screws up a cpl times a game like every ref. It's how they deal with the coaches and don't get rattled is what their over-see-ers evaluate. He might make a bad call, but is willing to listen to the agrieved coach rant at him and make him feel like he's being heard.
 
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