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Coaching Adjustments?

Maxim

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For me defensively we have been better. But on Offense the coaching staff needs to understand what the defense is giving them and exploit the weaknesses. They seem to be so stubborn and determined that they will win with their main plays no matter what. I just don't understand this philosophy. If the opposing D has 8 men in the box or is committed to stopping the run then pass the damn ball. If you can't pass it effectively because of pressure then use a quick passing game instead of 5-7 step drops. Dickenson was a master at understanding this concept, take what they give you. After you have success with short throws the d will have to adjust and then you can start throwing down the field more, which in turn will open up the run game. All these so called e-griz football guru's keep defending the coaching staff but this is not complicated it's really football 101. Doing this helps out your inexperienced line,will keep your QB healthier, and put more points on the board. If I was an opposing team I would not respect our pass game right now. I would just blitz all the time.
 
It seems to me that the most important idea in modern offensive football is 'take what they give you'. The reason is that no defense in fully defend everything, thus take what they give you.
 
Maxim said:
For me defensively we have been better. But on Offense the coaching staff needs to understand what the defense is giving them and exploit the weaknesses. They seem to be so stubborn and determined that they will win with their main plays no matter what. I just don't understand this philosophy. If the opposing D has 8 men in the box or is committed to stopping the run then pass the damn ball. If you can't pass it effectively because of pressure then use a quick passing game instead of 5-7 step drops. Dickenson was a master at understanding this concept, take what they give you. After you have success with short throws the d will have to adjust and then you can start throwing down the field more, which in turn will open up the run game. All these so called e-griz football guru's keep defending the coaching staff but this is not complicated it's really football 101. Doing this helps out your inexperienced line,will keep your QB healthier, and put more points on the board. If I was an opposing team I would not respect our pass game right now. I would just blitz all the time.

I could not agree more with you. Unfortunately, some of our fans/egrizzers are brick walls and don't understand the importance of making these adjustments. Don't you know because last year the offense averaged so many yards we don't need to make these adjustments? Do you not know, most everything is fine, even though Delaney has yet to win against a playoff caliber team? Don't you know, because we are not GRIZ coaches, our opinions are wrong?

Yes, collectively, our coaches know more about football than us. Unfortunately they are letting stubbornness get in the way of what they should know. Offensively, they are not making the adjustments for this team to live up to it's vast potential.
 
I think it's a little early to say there hasn't been adjustments made. Frankly, I think we've played the 3 best defenses we'll see all year until the playoffs.

I'd give the staff an Incomplete right now, but the next 3 weeks should tell us more.
 
Maxim and mtgrizrule are right on the money! MD is like a broken record saying the Griz need to set up the pass with the run. I take this to mean, run on first and second downs and pass on third and long. MD needs to go watch last year's EWU and Cal Poly games again. The pass can help set up the run. With that said, the Griz lost big to SHSU down there several years ago and then beat them in the playoffs. This team has the potential to improve than much and will only be limited by the coaching.
 
Oh good, a new thread on coaching and the offense. Full of great eGriz guru and football 101 ideas.


Maxim said:
For me defensively we have been better. But on Offense the coaching staff needs to understand what the defense is giving them and exploit the weaknesses. They seem to be so stubborn and determined that they will win with their main plays no matter what. I just don't understand this philosophy. If the opposing D has 8 men in the box or is committed to stopping the run then pass the damn ball. If you can't pass it effectively because of pressure then use a quick passing game instead of 5-7 step drops. Dickenson was a master at understanding this concept, take what they give you. After you have success with short throws the d will have to adjust and then you can start throwing down the field more, which in turn will open up the run game. All these so called e-griz football guru's keep defending the coaching staff but this is not complicated it's really football 101. Doing this helps out your inexperienced line,will keep your QB healthier, and put more points on the board. If I was an opposing team I would not respect our pass game right now. I would just blitz all the time.
 
I have seen no evidence that this bunch can adjust anything, offensively. The most frustrating positions on this team has to be on defense, whether player or coach. Averaging eight more minutes on the field, and a high of 18 last week, has got to cause some friction in the ranks.
 
statler & waldorf said:
I have seen no evidence that this bunch can adjust anything, offensively. The most frustrating positions on this team has to be on defense, whether player or coach. Averaging eight more minutes on the field, and a high of 18 last week, has got to cause some friction in the ranks.

The Defensive players can't blame the offense for not getting off the field. They had ample 3rd down opportunities and couldn't get nearly enough stops. They'd be the first to admit it.
 
mtgrizrule...I have always enjoyed reading your posts on both here and the hoops side. You are an excellent poster. But I'm going to pose a simple question. Why does this bother you and what difference does it make"

"Unfortunately, some of our fans/egrizzers are brick walls and don't understand the importance of making these adjustments"

Even if every single poster on Egriz agreed that the Griz have the absolute worst offense known to man kind, even if every single poster signed up for this board, have a whiteboard in their house, making adjustments on offense while watching the Griz on TV, what difference does it make for the ACTUAL GRIZ FOOTBALL TEAM?
 
MD philosophy......power run, wear 'em down!

Working so far? Ok, let's see how this works in coming weeks
 
I was thinking of this same subject after reading BW's scouting report and looking at the graphs he provides - all of which are excellent. What stood out to me are the graphs showing UM's offensive and defensive production as the game progresses. Both are substantially worse in the second half, especially the offense. The 4th quarter offensive production is abysmal. Seems to tell a story that either we don't adjust or the other team does. From memory, this was the exact opposite of Hauk's teams.
 
granitegriz said:
Maxim and mtgrizrule are right on the money! MD is like a broken record saying the Griz need to set up the pass with the run. I take this to mean, run on first and second downs and pass on third and long. MD needs to go watch last year's EWU and Cal Poly games again. The pass can help set up the run. With that said, the Griz lost big to SHSU down there several years ago and then beat them in the playoffs. This team has the potential to improve than much and will only be limited by the coaching.


We should not expect anything different from an old war horse position coach who coached the running backs for a predominant running team for many years. A leopard does not change his spots. He coaches what he knows. Trouble is, offensive football has passed him by long ago. Worse yet, he does not have the QB, nor the offensive line to run the offense he is trying to run.
 
havgrizfan said:
mtgrizrule...I have always enjoyed reading your posts on both here and the hoops side. You are an excellent poster. But I'm going to pose a simple question. Why does this bother you and what difference does it make"

"Unfortunately, some of our fans/egrizzers are brick walls and don't understand the importance of making these adjustments"

Even if every single poster on Egriz agreed that the Griz have the absolute worst offense known to man kind, even if every single poster signed up for this board, have a whiteboard in their house, making adjustments on offense while watching the Griz on TV, what difference does it make for the ACTUAL GRIZ FOOTBALL TEAM?


You are right, nothing we post makes a difference to to the actual team. I very much enjoy posting my observations and opinions of the teams. I enjoy evaluating teams. I enjoy learning from others that can expand my knowledge of subjects that interest me. Like a few others I took an interest in sports even before I started school. Growing up, I learned early to pay attention to details in things that interest me. I was the kid who teacher's got frustrated with because all I cared about reading and learning were sports related. I was and always will be a sports nerd. Over the years, I've studied a lot of basketball, football, and baseball. I've attended coaching clinics. I've dedicated many hours voluntarily coaching kids (mainly baseball and basketball). I've studied sports management, just never have completed my degree. I am pretty confident in my observations when it comes to teams, rather it be football, baseball, basketball, or even a business.

As for football, I admit, it is the most difficult sport to coach and build a championship caliber team. It takes a lot of eyes to evaluate the strengths and weakness of any football team, because of how big the field is, and how many working parts there are to a team. It takes more coaches and more players to get on the same page, even if it means sacrificing personal believes and preferences for the sake of the team. It takes a very open mind, honesty, and willingness to accept things you'd wish you did not. It takes checking every ego at the door for every practice and game. I wish I could take in every practice to get a truer grasp of this staff. I can only go by what I have witnessed on game days and opinions of others I trust, since Mick's time here.

As for the offense, Robin Pflugrad and many other offensive minded coaches have said something that really hit home to me, and since hearing it, I've paid a lot more attention to it. He mentioned a big key to consistent successful offensive football is utilizing the whole field sideline to sideline, and to have defenses know your offense can utilize every yard of the field. Since then, I've paid more attention to offense. Consistent offenses do mix things up well, regardless of style. I encourage people to watch good offenses in college and the NFL, then maybe you can get a better idea of how mixing things up benefits an offense. EWU is a dynamic offense and has been for awhile now. They mix up the run and pass terrific, and when they pass they throw the ball all over to many targets. Yet they are smart enough to know who their bread and butter is. Oregon is always a great offense to watch. Wazzu's offense mainly passing,and their talent needs to improve, but they spread the ball around nicely. Clemson, Fl St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, LSU, AL, etc all have different offensive styles, paces, etc, but they do a great job of utilizing the whole field sideline to sideline.

I encourage GRIZ fans to pay more attention to other teams at different levels and determine yourself how important utilizing the whole field, and player utilization is for successful offenses. You too will see many offenses consistently keep defenses off guard with these things. Meanwhile, our staff does not "consistently" do these things. Our staff passes the ball 1 to 15 yards to the middle 3rd of the field less than 5x's per game. As for quick short passes (not including screens), those are few and far between as well. Seriously, our passing game consists of mainly 15 yard plus passes to the outside, screens, and a very occasional quick pass, with very few passes to the middle 3rd of the field. Also watch when we do run WR screen, it is usually from 4 and 5 WR sets. When we run 4 and 5 WR packages defenses know, more often than not our 2 main options are a WR screen or deep post or fly. Defenses know to look for those 2 things 1st and foremost.

I guarantee this, if the GRIZ can continue to take care of the ball, and utilize more passing variety to their scheme, then we will see a lot more efficient consistent offense. I am not saying we need to pass more or change the formations, just spread the ball out more to different areas of the field. It will make a world of difference against playoff caliber teams.

On a positive note, I'm happy we have our defense this year and not EWU's or MSU's. I do feel MSU has a better defense than EWU though. MSU's defense needs about as much improvement as our offense. EWU, any defensive improvement would be of help. :thumb:
 
mtgrizrule said:
Maxim said:
For me defensively we have been better. But on Offense the coaching staff needs to understand what the defense is giving them and exploit the weaknesses. They seem to be so stubborn and determined that they will win with their main plays no matter what. I just don't understand this philosophy. If the opposing D has 8 men in the box or is committed to stopping the run then pass the damn ball. If you can't pass it effectively because of pressure then use a quick passing game instead of 5-7 step drops. Dickenson was a master at understanding this concept, take what they give you. After you have success with short throws the d will have to adjust and then you can start throwing down the field more, which in turn will open up the run game. All these so called e-griz football guru's keep defending the coaching staff but this is not complicated it's really football 101. Doing this helps out your inexperienced line,will keep your QB healthier, and put more points on the board. If I was an opposing team I would not respect our pass game right now. I would just blitz all the time.


I could not agree more with you. Unfortunately, some of our fans/egrizzers are brick walls and don't understand the importance of making these adjustments. Don't you know because last year the offense averaged so many yards we don't need to make these adjustments? Do you not know, most everything is fine, even though Delaney has yet to win against a playoff caliber team? Don't you know, because we are not GRIZ coaches, our opinions are wrong?

Yes, collectively, our coaches know more about football than us. Unfortunately they are letting stubbornness get in the way of what they should know. Offensively, they are not making the adjustments for this team to live up to it's vast potential.


+1

Unfortunately, lack of second half adjustments has been a hallmark of the Delaney era.
 
gotgame75 said:
mtgrizrule said:
Maxim said:
For me defensively we have been better. But on Offense the coaching staff needs to understand what the defense is giving them and exploit the weaknesses. They seem to be so stubborn and determined that they will win with their main plays no matter what. I just don't understand this philosophy. If the opposing D has 8 men in the box or is committed to stopping the run then pass the damn ball. If you can't pass it effectively because of pressure then use a quick passing game instead of 5-7 step drops. Dickenson was a master at understanding this concept, take what they give you. After you have success with short throws the d will have to adjust and then you can start throwing down the field more, which in turn will open up the run game. All these so called e-griz football guru's keep defending the coaching staff but this is not complicated it's really football 101. Doing this helps out your inexperienced line,will keep your QB healthier, and put more points on the board. If I was an opposing team I would not respect our pass game right now. I would just blitz all the time.


I could not agree more with you. Unfortunately, some of our fans/egrizzers are brick walls and don't understand the importance of making these adjustments. Don't you know because last year the offense averaged so many yards we don't need to make these adjustments? Do you not know, most everything is fine, even though Delaney has yet to win against a playoff caliber team? Don't you know, because we are not GRIZ coaches, our opinions are wrong?

Yes, collectively, our coaches know more about football than us. Unfortunately they are letting stubbornness get in the way of what they should know. Offensively, they are not making the adjustments for this team to live up to it's vast potential.


+1

Unfortunately, lack of second half adjustments has been a hallmark of the Delaney era.
I watched with envy last night a blow out win by UCLA at Arizona State...It became very clear why some coaches are given accolades for doing what is basically the most simple things. UCLA and ASU both have excellent talents but the coaching staff of both is young, flexible and very dedicated to their teams' success. They did not wait for half time to adjust, they flowed with the game. Special teams play especially with UCLA reminded me of the Griz of not long ago. I wish we had a varied game plan but we don't and apparently never will under the present circumstances. So, the Griz will rely upon the players' talents...But, will that be enough to make the playoffs? We will see....
 
EverettGriz said:
statler & waldorf said:
I have seen no evidence that this bunch can adjust anything, offensively. The most frustrating positions on this team has to be on defense, whether player or coach. Averaging eight more minutes on the field, and a high of 18 last week, has got to cause some friction in the ranks.

The Defensive players can't blame the offense for not getting off the field. They had ample 3rd down opportunities and couldn't get nearly enough stops. They'd be the first to admit it.

That is a great statement everyone should read that 5 times, and understand what a great defense is suppose to do. It isn't just about not letting the other team score, but limiting their offenses TOP, or more importantly the number of plays (opportunities) they have. Get Field position through great drives, punts, kickoffs, and then 3 and out.
 
Yawn...

I enjoyed mt grizrule and his article on us. He exposed what we are missing on offense. Innovation, imagination, sneaky, slick and staying with 2014 football! We are so far behind even old burnt ash is laughing at our fumbling offense!
 
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