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Changes? I hope so!

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I don't know what to think right now, but the one thing I know for sure is that Phenice (SP?) has to be let go. Not one of you can possibly dissagree with that at this point. This is Montana, tp finish last in the conference in passing and near the bottom is ridiculous and embarassing. We have a better running game than last year, we have a better QB than last year, there is absolutley no reason we should have digressed on offense this much.

Ok, here go my thoughts, if you don't want to read them, don't.

1) I know that this is Huack's first head coaching job ever, so it is a learning period. He made some mistakes, but he gets a chance to learn from them. He could be really good, but this year he got out-coached too often.

2) As I already mentioned, Phenice has to go. He is terrible. I am pretty sure that this is one case where we could actually know better than the coac. I mean I could call three straight runs up the middle. I'm sick of this. Anyone could do better. Miller anywhere?

3) I don't know, please fill in the blanks, add to my list or rip me apart. I just am sitting here thinking about how close we were to being undefeated in the regular season, while at the same we really could have went 0-12. I mean we killed a couple teams, so that really would not ahve happened, but we coulde have lost everygame. We made the playoffs, so the season was successful and that is a positive, but who know. Any thoughts?
 
I just thought I would as this quote from Geux, I think he feels about the same way.

GeauxGriz said:
I hate to admit this, but our program is at the lowest point it has been in the last 15 years.....and I pray that they won't continue that trend next season. We need to right the ship NOW.


And if Ochs is gone for next year........it could get real ugly. Hope the Wrs we are recruiting can all run the option. :wink:
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I think that for the most part the season was success but I doubt it will be rembered that way because of the way the last two games went. You are right Hauck got out coached a lot butI expected that since it was his first year. As for the OC maybe he will be better when he has player recruited specifically for his system. Of course that will take time and I think most Griz supporters myself included, have spent all there patience on him already. One thing to remeber the Griz did aveage 32 points per game his year so the OC's performance must have been better then it seems on the suface. All in all a good year when taking everything into consideration but I much more in the future.
 
I agree, Phenice is just plain stupid. :mad: I vote Geaux Griz to replace him. Anybody can call stupid plays like that. [ Geaux has some common sense] 8)
 
I really don't know if it is Phenicie that is to blame. He liked to chuck the ball around while he was at Cal. Northridge and Wyoming. He did NOT seem to be a conservative play caller.


I really think that it is the head coach that is the one we need to question. I can not count how many times this year Hauck was quoted as saying something to the effect of....yeah, we should have been running the ball their....or, I am really a defensive guy. Or any others that we have all heard time and again.


The point is that his coaching philosophy is to try to run the ball, play the field postion game, win the TOP stat, and hope his D will win it for him some how. It is Southland style....Big Ten style....or whatever you want to call it.....the problem is our D is not good enough to win the whole thing by themselves. We have never had a D that could win it all by themselves.

SO unless he out recruits all the PAC 10 schools this winter.....we will have problems next year as well....cuz I don't think his philosphy will change much by next year.


And if we are not going to throw the damn ball with Ochs against the worst Pass D we've ever seen....how much are we goin to throw it w/out Ochs? We might as well run the damn option.......if we are going to run it 70% of the time anyway. I hate it.
 
what, exactly, is the OC's "system"; I have heard talk of it all year, but I have seen nothing that resembles a system
 
I agree whole-heartedly. the option is a good play system for maybe a team like nebraska. they prooved it effective but only because they actually used the option's options, instead of just run,pitch. run,pitch. run, get stuffed. punt. we can't rely on that all year if ochs is gone. our running is pretty good but it could improve immensely. although who knows. i could be wrong. we could have the best running attck in 1-aa next year. i'm not sure if green is the next humphrey, but he's prooved himself.
 
Out coached? We have Craig Bohl. He was a scapegoat at Nebraska and now Solich is on the hot seat. That's all I need to say. I wouldn't worry too much about your QB situation as I'm sure that the staff at Montana will be able to find somebody who will be more than happy to play for the Grizzlies. Take heart, Montanans, all is not lost. Just ask NDSU.
 
I agree that there needs to be some major changes either with theCoaches,especially offensive Coordinator, or they need to change some of their philosophies.they really need to use the passing game more,ala, don Read using 5 wideouts running crossing patterns. The coaches really need to develop faith in their quarterbacks in throwing the ball.
Speaking of changes,where do the prognosticaors see Hauck & staff doing recruiting for specific positions.Myself,I believe that they need to get some better Corners & Safeties,along with some bigger,faster defensive lineman. If the offensive line is thin,then they need to get some big,fast lineman also. Maybe they could raid the 1-A schools for some of these players.
 
As I recall, I was the 1st poster on this board calling for our OC to be replaced. That was after the NDSU game. I then followed up that post saying that he should infact finish the year first, because you don't replace coordinators mid season. (I didn't like the play calling then and overall, especially after yesterdays game, still question most of it!)

Well, the year is OVER!!!!

Now, after a good nights sleep and some great coffee this morning I have another side of the my thoughts to post. This one may be a little more shaded toward defending the coaches but here it is.....

1) I don't ever recall the Coaching Staff saying we had a lot of GREAT
talent and great players! The only people saying we had great talent
was us, the fans! (I still think we did and do by the way!)

Maybe we, as fans, expected way to much from everyone this
year. It would have been very easy to do because of the numbers
of returning starters we had. Maybe "we" just over rated them!
Add in all the hype that WE fans created about Ochs and Disney
at the beginning of the year and maybe we were just expecting
to much! (If you recall, we fans were really "feeding" off of each
other on just how great this team was going to be!)

If you recall, Haucks statement about the team after the NAU game
was that maybe they (the Griz) are better than he thought (or
something to that effect).

2) It is pretty obvious to me that the Coaches didn't have a lot of faith
in our "skill" positions. Thus, the conservative play calling in critical
situations. The plays called were called because they didn't want to
loose by making a mistake, instead of "attacking" to win! Why is that?
Are the players we have to slow, not smart enough, not big enough,
not something else? This is the biggest question which I would like
answered.

3) It is also obvious to me that the Coaches want their own players. I
guess this is their right. Even if it takes a couple of years to do, the
Coaching Staff does (begrudgingly) deserve that.

Should "heads" roll? Yesterday, I thought yes! Today.................I'll settle for some information first. I would really like to see an evaluation of our strengths and weaknesses of our team from the Coaching Staff. (Not what us fans can convience each other of) It doesn't have to be in great detail down to the individual player, but an honest assessment of the talent on our team.

What are our strengths, what are our weaknesses, what are our needs? What did the Coaching Staff really think of the team this past year and what are they doing or planning on doing to improve. You can bet that Hauck and our A.D. will have this conversation if they haven't already, but I as a fan would really like to know what they, the Coaches, are saying about our team. Maybe, just maybe, from a Coiaching stand point, 9 - 4 was a pretty darn good achievement!

I really respect our players and I felt that they gave 110% of themselves. They played with a LOT of heart and effort. Thank You!!!!!!!!!

Coaches............as a fan I am not happy. I thought we should have done better this year and I am tired of all the secrecy cr?p. TELL US SOMETHING!!!!!!!
 
GRZZ, I know for a fact that Drew Miller tried to get ahold of Hauck when he was hired and didn't get one returned call. Drew would be an awesome O-coordinator, he's got it in his blood.
 
A little "extra offense" would have helped us big time.

Think about the 4 games we lost NDSU - by 1 ISU - by 3 MSU - by 7 and WIU - by 3

In each game that means just one more score.
 
As I recall one of the things that got Hauck hired was the fact he had a staff assembled and ready to go. The staff was kind a patchwork quilt sewn together quickly and it is only natural that some choices just may not have worked out over the past twelve months. So, I would think there will be some changes made now that time is not so much of the essence.
 
Maybe Miller will get a shot this year. If Huack doesn't change his staff around a little bit, I think it will show that he his to stubborn right now to be successful. That can be overcome, but sometime hearing him talk I get the impression that he thinks he is right all the time, and whil confidence is good, being stubborn is a killer.
 
OK now that I have had time to think about it, my feelings are a little different. I talked to a couple of the players and they said that the game plan was pass heavy this week. But for some reason they didn't run it, they said the only plays that was part of the pass heavy game plan was Talmage's touchdown and those two consecutive throw from Disney to hancock Heidelberger, thats it the entire game. I don't think that could be all Phenice because he tells the players when in doubt pass so alot of this running and conservative offense has to be Huack. I still think that Phenice was not very imaginative in his play calling, but maybe he played the hand he was dealt. Now I don't know what to think which really should make everyone happy that I am not the one making any of the decisions, whatever they decide, I will be sitting in the stands next year watching our new transfer QB from Texas, Mock (SP), tear the defense apart. That last part was a joke, nut if it happened I wouldn't be to dissapointed.
 
Any talk of firing coaches is to silly, it doesn't deserve a reply.
This season was anything but a failure.
This is a team that overcame difficult injuries to two great QB's.
The return game was one of the best in the nation.
Chris Snyder set several records.
Justin Green turned into one of the premier backs in any league.
We've got guys like McFarland who're getting 3.65GPAs!

I'm disappointed they lost to WIU, and MSU the week before, but it's hardly time to fire people.
I think it's time to turn to recruiting players that'll come through with another wonderful season.

I, for one, am proud to be a UM alum and proud of the effort of all the guys who produced this season.
 
Your are probably right about not firing people, maybe a few changes would be good though. Regardless, how could you not be frusturated with the passing game this year. This is Montana. We throw the ball and that is what Huack said we were going to do. You said we have two great quarterbacks, why didn't we throw more. You can point to injury, but it was only two or three games between Disney going down and Ochs returning, I understand not throwing much in those two games, but not all the others.
 
Congratulations Hauck and staff you have been employed for one more year in your life. The team you inherited deserved better. They were National Champ quality and you brought them back to mediocre. Your OC has all of the offense imagination of a grade school coach and relied on trick plays which most of the time didn't work. Your excuses, Hauck, are tiresome. Change or leave. The QB situation is a disaster. Both Ochs and Disney didn't throw long because they couldn't take their eyes off of their primary receiver. In the games that I watched I didn't see them read more than one receiver. Go back and watch film of some really good QB's like Dickenson, Miller and Ayatt maybe you learn to run an offense. If not that hire, Don Read as a consultant.
 
2002- 373.64 yds per game offense rush-128.07 pass-245.57
2003- 366.25 yds per game offense rush-189.00 pass-177.25

2002- 329.93 yds allowed by defense rush-100 pass-229
2003- 293.50 yds allowed by defense rush-90 pass-203

2002- 31.50 points per game offense
2003- 32.50 points per game offense

2002- 18.57 points per game allowed
2003- 18.58 points per game allowed
 
A'ight, I'll give you that I'm disappointed UM didn't pass more... But I think you need more than a healthy body to throw the ball. You need confidence behind the line. And the Griz just never had consistency at the position that I personally think it takes to implement a pass-happy offense.

I think the injuries meant they couldn't practice the way they'd hoped and that required creative thinking. Hence the use of Samson so much, AND the running game.

The ONLY play calling I don't get is the one to pass, actually, on third and short late in the game against WIU. (OK, I'm excluding the entire MSU loss but it seems like two different teams came out after the half. AND the option, which I simply can't get used to.) I don't know why Disney was back to pass when it seemed likt Justin Green could get the first down with a high percentage of success. But that's the ONLY time all season I didn't like the play-calling. That's IT.

I think the coaching staff did a great job getting the team ready to play.

Think about it: every week, they had to completely revamp the offense for one reason or another. That is extremely difficult to do, and I think that's why the offense sort of sputtered every week.

I just don't think it's a sign that there needs to be coaching changes.

YMMV.

Go Griz!
 
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