Can we please get an OC that uses a QB?

[PhxGriz]

So it is Rosenbach's fault that he gets hired to be OC and loses the guy that would be the starter and gets a guy not recruited by him that is below average at throwing the ball?

Has he not had 6 games to help a guy throw more than 10 yards?

Stop being grizindabox for once and add something to the discussion.

You got me, it is that easy to get a 19 year old kid to change the way he has thrown the ball his entire life...something you can do in an hour after snack time. You have never coached anything have you?

Not even close to being true. :roll:

No, he is right, I have never coached TM. It is all my fault.

 

[stubbins]

TM struggles to make most his throws, even the ones under 30 yards.

We will have to agree to disagree, for his completion percentage is pretty good.

I realize most of those are screen passes, but that is my point, he is pretty spot on under 30. Where are the slants?

like the 15 yard crossing pattern that he threw 4 yds behind Hardy?

Are you talking about the guy who has a 127.7 QB rating?

Just checking.

By the way, SUU's Sorenson has a 130 rating.

Sorenson is 10 times the throwing qb that TM is....

What does his rating have to do with your claim that he can throw a nice ball out to 30 yds. I would suspect that his rating is high due to a high completion percentage, of which, i would venture to say that 60 percent of his throws are under 7 yds....don't know that for sure, just a guess.

You asked why there were no intemediate routes, I gave you an example of one I remembered.


FYI, I don't blame TM for this, he's just not ready. Not his fault what happened to JJ and the fallout from it. But, Delaney took Counts of redshirt because "it's about winning now," why not the same attitude with the qb position.
The Griz are facing defenses that are absolutely not afraid of the pass. Can AB run like TM and yet also be a throwing threat? That's the question...

 

[PhxGriz]

We will have to agree to disagree, for his completion percentage is pretty good.

I realize most of those are screen passes, but that is my point, he is pretty spot on under 30. Where are the slants?

like the 15 yard crossing pattern that he threw 4 yds behind Hardy?

Are you talking about the guy who has a 127.7 QB rating?

Just checking.

By the way, SUU's Sorenson has a 130 rating.

Sorenson is 10 times the throwing qb that TM is....

What does his rating have to do with your claim that he can throw a nice ball out to 30 yds. I would suspect that his rating is high due to a high completion percentage, of which, i would venture to say that 60 percent of his throws are under 7 yds....don't know that for sure, just a guess.

You asked why there were no intemediate routes, I gave you an example of one I remembered.


FYI, I don't blame TM for this, he's just not ready. Not his fault what happened to JJ and the fallout from it. But, Delaney took Counts of redshirt because "it's about winning now," why not the same attitude with the qb position.
The Griz are facing defenses that are absolutely not afraid of the pass. Can AB run like TM and yet also be a throwing threat? That's the question...

Of course Sorenson is a much better prototypical QB than TM. Needless to say, their QB efficiency rating for the game they run is very similar.

Don't get all pissy with me man - we are on the same team.

 

[grizindabox]

like the 15 yard crossing pattern that he threw 4 yds behind Hardy?

Are you talking about the guy who has a 127.7 QB rating?

Just checking.

By the way, SUU's Sorenson has a 130 rating.

Sorenson is 10 times the throwing qb that TM is....

What does his rating have to do with your claim that he can throw a nice ball out to 30 yds. I would suspect that his rating is high due to a high completion percentage, of which, i would venture to say that 60 percent of his throws are under 7 yds....don't know that for sure, just a guess.

You asked why there were no intemediate routes, I gave you an example of one I remembered.


FYI, I don't blame TM for this, he's just not ready. Not his fault what happened to JJ and the fallout from it. But, Delaney took Counts of redshirt because "it's about winning now," why not the same attitude with the qb position.
The Griz are facing defenses that are absolutely not afraid of the pass. Can AB run like TM and yet also be a throwing threat? That's the question...

Of course Sorenson is a much better prototypical QB than TM. Needless to say, their QB efficiency rating for the game they run is very similar.

Don't get all pissy with me man - we are on the same team.

Sounds kind of gay

 

[granitegriz]

TM played pretty well today. They are just not giving him the opportunities he should have...play calling is too conservative and predictable!

 

[JonErude]

Agreed, I would say it's the coaching over the players. What the hell happened between the first couple of games and now. TM was moving the ball.

 

[stubbins]

Agreed, I would say it's the coaching over the players. What the hell happened between the first couple of games and now. TM was moving the ball.

first couple of games, teams played us honest. this far into the season they know the griz are not capable of consistantly throwing the ball more than 7 yards. Not too hard to defend...

 

[Uncle Si]

Somehow this got off track. All I was trying to say is I believe we need to go back to a pocket passer type scheme. You can still spread it out and throw. We don't even really run the QB that often. We are not Oregon. Scheme to the state you are located. Maybe I'm an idiot but I think more times then not with the spread offense were gonna be trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Just my dumb ass opinion.

 

[GrizLA]

TM does not throw a good ball very often. His accuracy is poor, look at how many balls he overthrows, or throws at the guys feet. His mechanics are awful, his motion is way too long and slow. Does some of that fall on Rosenbach...you bet, but TM was also under Smith for a year. As for the QB position, what does it say that TM is the best guy the Griz have? Seems to me that also falls on the lack of recruiting, and evaluation.

Half a season to improve...none seen...try the other guys...

 

[OrgonGriz]

QB, QB what the sam hell position is that....

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Why did the Griz average 11.4 per catch and SU average 9.8 per catch today, if McKinney can't throw more than 5 yards and the Griz OC doesn't call throws down field? I see that SU's qb had a 56.6 passing percentage, and McKinney had a 58.6 percentage, today. Coming into the game, McKinney had completed 66.3% and the SU qb had 59.7%. McKinney's longest pass is 87 yards, and the SU qb's is 82.

 

[Grizmayor]

Is anyone else noticing the Hoochie-Mama's at the bottom of the page... or am I the only one getting this ad on his page. Are these Ex-Honey Bears from the 70's or something?? :flash:

 

[Grizmayor]

Dang... and now I have an ad for hemoroids.... nevermind.

 

[uofmman1122]

Is anyone else noticing the Hoochie-Mama's at the bottom of the page... or am I the only one getting this add on his page. Are these Ex-Honey Bears from the 70's or something?? :flash:

The ads must be personalized.

Us fly, international motherfuckers get "Hot Asian cuties now!" ads. :lol:

 

[PhxGriz]

Are you talking about the guy who has a 127.7 QB rating?

Just checking.

By the way, SUU's Sorenson has a 130 rating.

Sorenson is 10 times the throwing qb that TM is....

What does his rating have to do with your claim that he can throw a nice ball out to 30 yds. I would suspect that his rating is high due to a high completion percentage, of which, i would venture to say that 60 percent of his throws are under 7 yds....don't know that for sure, just a guess.

You asked why there were no intemediate routes, I gave you an example of one I remembered.


FYI, I don't blame TM for this, he's just not ready. Not his fault what happened to JJ and the fallout from it. But, Delaney took Counts of redshirt because "it's about winning now," why not the same attitude with the qb position.
The Griz are facing defenses that are absolutely not afraid of the pass. Can AB run like TM and yet also be a throwing threat? That's the question...

Of course Sorenson is a much better prototypical QB than TM. Needless to say, their QB efficiency rating for the game they run is very similar.

Don't get all pissy with me man - we are on the same team.

Sounds kind of gay

You would know about such things.

 

[Cats2506]

TM does not throw a good ball very often. His accuracy is poor, look at how many balls he overthrows, or throws at the guys feet. His mechanics are awful, his motion is way too long and slow. Does some of that fall on Rosenbach...you bet, but TM was also under Smith for a year. As for the QB position, what does it say that TM is the best guy the Griz have? Seems to me that also falls on the lack of recruiting, and evaluation.

I think that some (ok a lot) goes on Pfluffy, he recruited him and had to see his mechanics, during the redshirt year TM should have been drilled in better mechanics, its muscle memory and takes repetition to retrain the throwing motion and footwork.

At this point there is not much you can do about it since most of the time will be spent getting ready for your next game

 

[Grisly Fan]

Anyone who thinks that the offense the Griz are running is anything like Chip Kelly's is sadly mistaken. Phlugrad was definitely moving the team that direction and recruiting the personnel to do it. A lot of what makes Oregon's offense effective is the speed at which it is executed. If you watch Chip on the sideline you'll see he gets very anxious when things are running at less than the absolute speed limit. The Griz have a watered down version running in slow speed and you get the results the Griz have -- very ineffective. Either the Griz need to move towards what Chip runs or move away from it. They are in no man's land somewhere in-between. You almost can't even talk about whether the Griz have the right talent. The talent for what? An offense that can't succeed?

 

[stubbins]

TM does not throw a good ball very often. His accuracy is poor, look at how many balls he overthrows, or throws at the guys feet. His mechanics are awful, his motion is way too long and slow. Does some of that fall on Rosenbach...you bet, but TM was also under Smith for a year. As for the QB position, what does it say that TM is the best guy the Griz have? Seems to me that also falls on the lack of recruiting, and evaluation.

I think that some (ok a lot) goes on Pfluffy, he recruited him and had to see his mechanics, during the redshirt year TM should have been drilled in better mechanics, its muscle memory and takes repetition to retrain the throwing motion and footwork.

At this point there is not much you can do about it since most of the time will be spent getting ready for your next game

I think a lot of scat fans are very, very happy Pflu is gone....you were about to be owned worse than when Papa Bear was coaching.

Fuck, we shouldv'e known this was a disaster right away, scat fans were saying that delaney was the right hire. Thier judgement in coaching abilities has been know to be waaaaaaaay the fuck off....