Burning Red-Shirts at the FCS level

[casewinter13]

Jesus some of these rants are so mind-numbing i couldn't get through page 2, so if someone already mentioned this i apologize...if not, then you guys are beyond clueless...an obvious factor I'm hoping someone has pointed out...ITS THE PLAYERS CHOICE TO REDSHIRT OR NOT! If the coach doesn't happen to play a kid at all, then yes, he's redshirted, but if a kid says hey i don't want to red shirt, and he can contribute right now, the coach isn't left with much of a choice, is he...you don't redshirt kids against their will...so if the kid can play you're left with one option...play him!

you can tell how much college level playing and coaching experience contributes to this forum

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[grizindabox]

Growler, every coach would rather not play true freshman, but the reality is that a couple probably will. It is a waste of time to play the "what if" game. Every coach must do what they believe is best for the current team, the current season, and some of their decisions might not be the most popular. You will not change the win now culture that every college football coach, especially at Montana, faces year in and year out. If a coach must sacrifice a player 5 years down the road because he feels it necessary to have that guy on the field now, I do not see where you have the background to argue.

Have the "background" to argue? It is my opinion. It is a valid opinion which makes sense for the long-term best interests of a football program. The win-now-and-to-hell-with-future attitude among head coaches is sickening. If they were great coaches, they would not worry about a couple of frosh players being the difference between winning or losing. That's what they are paid for, to coach players to excel, not to sacrifice the best interests of the program for their own selfish reasons.

Isn't winning games the best thing for the program? Isn't worrying about what a player would be like 5 years from now neglecting the program now? Shouldn't his first priority be to do what is best for the program this season?

Dude, if a frosh is good enough to plat a lot his true freshman year, don't you think that he might jest be a stud in his 5th-year senior season??? Duh!

Growler, I never made any type of assumption as to how good a kid may be as a 5th year senior as opposed to a true freshman. What I did say was that as a coach, you do what you believe is best for the team, and this might mean playing true freshman. Sorry to say it this way, but playing a kid as a true freshman as opposed to redshirting him is the cost of doing business in college football. And college football is a business, and the coach is responsible for its success and failure. If college football was only about football, then this maybe different.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Plus, the Pennington situation would be impossible now, since a last-year QB like Kresser wouldn't be able to drop done for a one-and-done final season of eligibility.

I guess you are not aware of what Russell Wilson did at Wisconsin last year. That's not very aware.

Russell Wilson was able to play because he had graduated from NC State, and Wisconsin offered a graduate degree that NC State did not offer. Same reason Jeremiah Masoli was able to play immediately at Ole Miss after Oregon booted him off the team. Masoli had graduated from Oregon, and found a graduate program at Ole Miss that wasn't available at Oregon.

That's not what happened with Eric Kresser when he transferred to Marshall. Kresser hadn't graduated from Florida, and those one-year transfers from FBS to FCS are no longer an option.

Please educate yourself on these basic transfer rules before running your mouth next time. :thumb:

It was not claimed that these cases were the same, so you'e the one that needs to educate yourself before you run your mouth. I responded to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer, which is an incorrect statement. I know the basic transfer rules pretty well; try unleashing your childish venom on those here that don't.

The Kresser situation was specifically mentioned, and that's what I was replying to in my post. I replied because that sort of transfer is no longer allowable under current transfer rules. Then you chime in with something completely different, and that had nothing to do with Pennington's redshirt year at Marshall when Kresser transferred for his one and done season. Not only that, but you put in some lame jab about me "not being very aware".

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

I find it funny that you're trying to play the victim, though, considering the d-bag post you made toward me when I was actually right about the Kresser transfer.

 

[kemajic]

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

 

[PlayerRep]

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

Go get em, Kem. NWF is a first rate jerk. When you point out his mistakes, he starts whining, but won't admit his mistake.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

I said that in response to the Kresser post. I said that type of transfer is no longer allowable, which is true.

Seriously, what's your deal? You've injected yourself into something that has nothing to do with you, you're wrong about what I posted, yet you continue to try and make excuses for your douchebaggery. :clap:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

Go get em, Kem. NWF is a first rate jerk. When you point out his mistakes, he starts whining, but won't admit his mistake.

First of all, I have to laugh at PlayerRep calling anybody a jerk. Such irony.

Secondly, here is what I posted.

Re: Burning Red-Shirts at the FCS level
by NorthwestFresh » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:10 pm

Growler1 wrote:

The Pennington thing was an aberration. It happens VERY RARELY! And, I do not agree that the 63 scholarship limit causes the need for frosh to play immediately.

Plus, the Pennington situation would be impossible now, since a last-year QB like Kresser wouldn't be able to drop done for a one-and-done final season of eligibility.

Like Kresser, not like Russell Wilson or Masoli (who I mentioned, by the way).

 

[kemajic]

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

Go get em, Kem. NWF is a first rate jerk. When you point out his mistakes, he starts whining, but won't admit his mistake.

Noticed that. Maybe his excessive use of the d-word in name-calling is why he calls himself "Fresh." Interesting how he takes ownership for a discussion that I was in with Growler long before he blurts out his incorrect statement late in the thread. He has to have the last word, rarely the first. A nice partner for Growler.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Caleb Kidder and Bo Harris were both men amongst boys playing in HS..

They didn't play like men against boys in the Shrine game, in fact they blended-in.

So they sure as hell won't be men amongst boys come fall camp, the'll be lucky to just blend-in then.

With time, they will be GREAT fcs players!

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Most of you need to get out of the 1970s. The whole "19 year old body is so much different than a 22 year old body" argument went out the window 15 years ago. With the training lots of these High School kids go through now the difference isn't anywhere near as big as you guys think it is.

And to say only a select few players play as True Freshman at the FBS level is laughable.

Kidder is big, strong, physical and ready. We need him on the field over some partial scholarship 4th year Junior. Not referring to any player Kidder should play over at all, but the general idea that you play a less talented kid because he's older and more experienced died decades ago

this is absurd. i can think of a couple of recent griz who said they realized as freshmen how much weight room work and other training they needed to do in order to be able to even get on the field at the fcs level. they were named anderson and mariani, and neither one would have made it to the nfl without the benefit of a redshirt year and a great senior season. all but a tiny percent of these kids are still maturing physically when they arrive on campus, and continue to do so for several years.

:agree: hat: :arrow: :clap:

Most true frosh show up scared shi t less when they hit the practice field for the first fall camp...wondering what they've got themselves into...realizing how small and weak they are...

I've known personally plenty of true frosh that are like that, ones that stayed with it and went on to wear the #37 and become an All-American even (as UPPERCLASSMEN).

So don't tell me this crap about true frosh showing up feeling like the man, because they don't. VERY VERY FEW do.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

REASON TO NOT PLAY YOUR 1ST YEAR OUT OF HS, NUFF SAID: (Unless you are Pac 12 Talent like Tru)

"What happened was that at my high school we hadn't had a player go on to college and play sports for like 10 years, so they never updated those NCAA requirements," he said. "Through that time you needed 16 core credits, but now you need 18 core credits, and I just had 16.

"It (having to sit out a season) was absolutely a blessing," Moore continued. "I am lucky enough to have another season and play another year with the Griz. It all worked out for the best. That first year definitely gave me some push in the weight room. I saw guys like (offensive linemen) Collin Dow and J.D. Quinn, and it's like man, if I want to play at this level I've got to get bigger and stronger. I had that whole year to stay in the weight room and work my size up, and like I said, that was a blessing. Now, at the end of it all, I have another year to play."

Only time will tell what the future holds for Dan Moore. He (and Griz fans) hope his senior campaign at UM is a memorable one. Then he may get an opportunity for a pro career -- a prize he has coveted since he was a young weight-lifter in Tucson. He's sure worked awfully hard to get to where he is today - here's hoping he fulfills his life-long dream and reaches his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

 

[Growler1]

Not sure what your glitch is, dude, but your entire post about Russell Wilson is irrelevant to the discussion on Kresser/Pennington. :thumb:

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

Go get em, Kem. NWF is a first rate jerk. When you point out his mistakes, he starts whining, but won't admit his mistake.

Noticed that. Maybe his excessive use of the d-word in name-calling is why he calls himself "Fresh." Interesting how he takes ownership for a discussion that I was in with Growler long before he blurts out his incorrect statement late in the thread. He has to have the last word, rarely the first. A nice partner for Growler.

That's right, align yourself with "he who chases jocks". You two make a nice couple. Besides being wrong, and having your *ss handed to you by Northwest, you now have shown your true colors by slamming me.

 

[kemajic]

Quite relevant to your post that claimed it was no longer possible for a last year QB to transfer. As would be the Nate Montana case. Your statement is dead wrong, "dude", I guess that's my glitch.

Go get em, Kem. NWF is a first rate jerk. When you point out his mistakes, he starts whining, but won't admit his mistake.

Noticed that. Maybe his excessive use of the d-word in name-calling is why he calls himself "Fresh." Interesting how he takes ownership for a discussion that I was in with Growler long before he blurts out his incorrect statement late in the thread. He has to have the last word, rarely the first. A nice partner for Growler.

That's right, align yourself with "he who chases jocks". You two make a nice couple. Besides being wrong, and having your *ss handed to you by Northwest, you now have shown your true colors by slamming me.

Slamming you? That's nothing compared to the way you are usually treated here. The skin is thin.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Slamming you? That's nothing compared to the way you are usually treated here. The skin is thin.

Shouldn't you and Jackie be commiserating in the corner? I pointed out how you were wrong about my Kresser post. You still blasted me, and started to play the victim.

Kind of douchey, IMO.

 

[kemajic]

Slamming you? That's nothing compared to the way you are usually treated here. The skin is thin.

Shouldn't you and Jackie be commiserating in the corner? I pointed out how you were wrong about my Kresser post. You still blasted me, and started to play the victim.

Kind of douchey, IMO.

Doing fine here; never the victim. This just in; it is possible for a last year QB to transfer. Examples have been provided. Can you come up with a little versatility in your name calling; your overused d-word thing gets pretty lame.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Slamming you? That's nothing compared to the way you are usually treated here. The skin is thin.

Shouldn't you and Jackie be commiserating in the corner? I pointed out how you were wrong about my Kresser post. You still blasted me, and started to play the victim.

Kind of douchey, IMO.

Doing fine here; never the victim. This just in; it is possible for a last year QB to transfer. Examples have been provided. Can you come up with a little versatility in your name calling; your overused d-word thing gets pretty lame.

This just in: Kresser, under current rules, wouldn't be able to transfer. Since that's what I was responding to, it would seem logical that when I posted "like Kresser" that I meant "like Kresser".

You and Jackie can continue to talk about others in PM, though.

 

[Growler1]

Go get em, Kem. NWF is a first rate jerk. When you point out his mistakes, he starts whining, but won't admit his mistake.

Noticed that. Maybe his excessive use of the d-word in name-calling is why he calls himself "Fresh." Interesting how he takes ownership for a discussion that I was in with Growler long before he blurts out his incorrect statement late in the thread. He has to have the last word, rarely the first. A nice partner for Growler.

That's right, align yourself with "he who chases jocks". You two make a nice couple. Besides being wrong, and having your *ss handed to you by Northwest, you now have shown your true colors by slamming me.

Slamming you? That's nothing compared to the way you are usually treated here. The skin is thin.

you are usually a good poster, and I support your opinions 95% of the time. But, you are wrong on the QB transfer thing. You and Fresh are talking about two different things. i just want to hurl when you take sides with Playa rape, however. stay away from him if you want to continue to get respect. By the way, you should know by now that my skin is not thin, and I could give a flyin' fcuk how I am "treated" on this board!

 

[Grizbacker1]

Noticed that. Maybe his excessive use of the d-word in name-calling is why he calls himself "Fresh." Interesting how he takes ownership for a discussion that I was in with Growler long before he blurts out his incorrect statement late in the thread. He has to have the last word, rarely the first. A nice partner for Growler.

That's right, align yourself with "he who chases jocks". You two make a nice couple. Besides being wrong, and having your *ss handed to you by Northwest, you now have shown your true colors by slamming me.

Slamming you? That's nothing compared to the way you are usually treated here. The skin is thin.

you are usually a good poster, and I support your opinions 95% of the time. But, you are wrong on the QB transfer thing. You and Fresh are talking about two different things. i just want to hurl when you take sides with Playa rape, however. stay away from him if you want to continue to get respect. By the way, you should know by now that my skin is not thin, and I could give a flyin' fcuk how I am "treated" on this board!

 

[Grisly Fan]

...stay away from him if you want to continue to get respect...

By this you must mean "your respect" because that is not a criteria for my respect. And to lose your respect... well, big loss.

He'd also probably lose your respect if he doesn't pick his crack in public like you!

 

[Growler1]

...stay away from him if you want to continue to get respect...

By this you must mean "your respect" because that is not a criteria for my respect. And to lose your respect... well, big loss.

He'd also probably lose your respect if he doesn't pick his crack in public like you!

And you''ve never done that, we know. You're a real man, who takes Midol monthly.