BSC football standings..........this is crazy

[Grizbeer]

You haven't "proved" anything. At 8-4 the Griz have a win over EITHER EWU or MSU. If ISU is 8-4 that means they beat EITHER CP or MSU. There'll be a WHOLE bunch of teams at 6-2 in the conference and at that point it's completely at the commitee's discression about which teams they pick.

And I think in that scenario they'll take the Griz.

quote]quote] that stupid.. Griz 8-4
How does the Griz get picked over EWU with three losses and a better SOS even if the Griz beat them and their consistent ranking all year?

NAU is the autobid.

How does the Griz get in every Cal Poly with identical 8-4 records?

How does the Griz getting over MSU with identical records and a head to head win by MSU

ISU with a better conference and overall record record is in the mix also.

Do you anything that makes you think the Griz get in there?

They aren't taking 5, definitely not 6 and maybe not 4.

If you were anyone but the Griz what teams domet you pick and why

Not to be mean here, but are you tanked while typing this? I had to read this 4 times and am still not sure it made any coherent sense, whatsoever. The Griz "do" have a chance to control their own destiny, and they "do" have a chance to win out. They "does" not have a shot at graduating college if you were their teacher. Or "does" any of this make sense? My head hurts too much today for you to add to it while trying to decipher this mess. Please have more respect next time

Got the same feelin' here, AZ.

Can someone help us out/translate the above bolded?

I believe Rob said his wife is a Griz fan, albeit now living in North Dakota. Every time he types something negative about her beloved Griz she punches him in the mouth. Every time he says "Griz fans are fckn idiots she kicks him in the nuts.

His post above is an example of what happens when someone with loose teeth, a bloody mouth and sore nuts types while looking at his glaring wife out of the corner of his good eye, ready to flee at the first movement.

 

[blackfoot griz]

quote]quote] that stupid.. Griz 8-4
How does the Griz get picked over EWU with three losses and a better SOS even if the Griz beat them and their consistent ranking all year?

NAU is the autobid.

How does the Griz get in every Cal Poly with identical 8-4 records?

How does the Griz getting over MSU with identical records and a head to head win by MSU

ISU with a better conference and overall record record is in the mix also.

Do you anything that makes you think the Griz get in there?

They aren't taking 5, definitely not 6 and maybe not 4.

If you were anyone but the Griz what teams domet you pick and why

Not to be mean here, but are you tanked while typing this? I had to read this 4 times and am still not sure it made any coherent sense, whatsoever. The Griz "do" have a chance to control their own destiny, and they "do" have a chance to win out. They "does" not have a shot at graduating college if you were their teacher. Or "does" any of this make sense? My head hurts too much today for you to add to it while trying to decipher this mess. Please have more respect next time

Got the same feelin' here, AZ.

Can someone help us out/translate the above bolded?

I believe Rob said his wife is a Griz fan, albeit now living in North Dakota. Every time he types something negative about her beloved Griz she punches him in the mouth. Every time he says "Griz fans are fckn idiots she kicks him in the nuts.

His post above is an example of what happens when someone with loose teeth, a bloody mouth and sore nuts types while looking at his glaring wife out of the corner of his good eye, ready to flee at the first movement.

Thanks for the laugh!

 

[IdaGriz01]

(Going to ignore much recent pissing and moaning.)

Earlier today, I got to wondering how the rest of the season might play out, so I made up some charts. It quickly became apparent that, first, the Griz have to win two of the next three games to even be in the conversation for a bid. Fortunately, the other strong conferences have the same problem -- their top teams beating each other up. Earlier, when I did my poll guesses, I was amazed at just how many 6-3 teams there were around the country: Five in the Big Sky alone, but something like 15-16 altogether (I may have missed a few).

What got even more interesting was an assumption that the Griz will win out (not out of the question, IMO). It's interesting because two other teams -- NAU and ISU -- could also win out, and end up with 9-3 overall, 7-1 conference records. (Note that these teams winning out take the other three current 1-loss teams out of the equation.)

At that point, the tie-breakers kick in ... and it gets downright bizarre. As it happens, the #1 tie-breaker -- head-to-head results -- would be "inoperative" -- none of the three played each other.

So then you go down to common conference opponents. Not exactly sure how that works when there are three teams, but every combination I tried failed to break the tie. Those W-L records were all the same. The common OOC records (whether phoney Big Sky "non-conference" or real) do not help much because there are almost no common OOC opponents. Oddly enough, the Griz win over South Dakota might end up meaning something extra, because NAU lost to USD.

After that, it got down to Sagarin, and I gave it up. Who knows what those numbers might be at the end of the season.

Oh well, just gonna have to let the season play out. So ... GO GRIZ!

 

[oGriz]

The road to the conference championship is simple.

7-1 Montana -- if we win out
6-2 EWU -- loses to UM, wins at PSU
6-2 CPoly -- loses at ISU, wins vs. UCD
6-2 MSU -- wins vs. ISU and PSU; loses at UM
6-2 ISU -- wins vs. CPoly and Weber; loses at MSU
6-2 NAU -- wins vs. UND and UCD; loses vs. SUU (rivalry game)

Montana has to win out to be at least co-champions.

If Montana and Cal Poly win out, they'll be conference co-champs. Poly will get the autobid.

If Montana, NAU, and ISU win out, they will be co-champions and the tiebreaker system will go into effect for the autobid.

 

[IdaGriz01]

The road to the conference championship is simple.

7-1 Montana -- if we win out
6-2 EWU -- loses to UM, wins at PSU
6-2 CPoly -- loses at ISU, wins vs. UCD
6-2 MSU -- wins vs. ISU and PSU; loses at UM
6-2 ISU -- wins vs. CPoly and Weber; loses at MSU
6-2 NAU -- wins vs. UND and UCD; loses vs. SUU (rivalry game)

Montana has to win out to be at least co-champions.

If Montana and Cal Poly win out, they'll be conference co-champs. Poly will get the autobid.

If Montana, NAU, and ISU win out, they will be co-champions and the tiebreaker system will go into effect for the autobid.

And, as mentioned in my previous post, that tie-breaker will be a mess because none of those teams played each other for the head-to-head to come into play. Then, unless I screwed up my chart (possible), the common opponents tie-breakers -- conference and non-conf -- seem to be a wash also. That scenario will not be pretty. :x

 

[AZGrizFan]

MSU isn't going to be 8-4. Either them or ISU will lose two games of their last 3, eliminating them from consideration. ISU (despite statrob's claims), can't get to 7 D-1 wins without beating at least CP or MSU. And it is ENTIRELY possible that both UM and CP end up at 8-4, so I'm not sure what he's saying there...what IS impossible is that either CP or EWU end up at 8-3, since they both play 12 games...so who's REALLY the one who's punch drunk?

Just look at the losses and would they are against in my scenario. Explain how the Griz get in at 8-4 over EWU, NAU, Cal Poly, ISU and MSU if MSU wins.

Do you think they are taking 5 or 6 teams.

Dont give me the bullshit about the Cats can't win blah blah blah.. You said the Griz are in at 8-4 and said I was wrong.. I proved you wrong..

You haven't "proved" anything. At 8-4 the Griz have a win over EITHER EWU or MSU. If ISU is 8-4 that means they beat EITHER CP or MSU. There'll be a WHOLE bunch of teams at 6-2 in the conference and at that point it's completely at the commitee's discression about which teams they pick.

And I think in that scenario they'll take the Griz.

quote]quote] that stupid.. Griz 8-4
How does the Griz get picked over EWU with three losses and a better SOS even if the Griz beat them and their consistent ranking all year?

NAU is the autobid.

How does the Griz get in every Cal Poly with identical 8-4 records?

How does the Griz getting over MSU with identical records and a head to head win by MSU

ISU with a better conference and overall record record is in the mix also.

Do you anything that makes you think the Griz get in there?

They aren't taking 5, definitely not 6 and maybe not 4.

If you were anyone but the Griz what teams domet you pick and why

do me a favor and stop posting on your phone. Your shit is hard enough to decipher even WITHOUT all this gibberish.

 

[mcg]

The road to the conference championship is simple.

7-1 Montana -- if we win out
6-2 EWU -- loses to UM, wins at PSU
6-2 CPoly -- loses at ISU, wins vs. UCD
6-2 MSU -- wins vs. ISU and PSU; loses at UM
6-2 ISU -- wins vs. CPoly and Weber; loses at MSU
6-2 NAU -- wins vs. UND and UCD; loses vs. SUU (rivalry game)

Montana has to win out to be at least co-champions.

If Montana and Cal Poly win out, they'll be conference co-champs. Poly will get the autobid.

If Montana, NAU, and ISU win out, they will be co-champions and the tiebreaker system will go into effect for the autobid.

And, as mentioned in my previous post, that tie-breaker will be a mess because none of those teams played each other for the head-to-head to come into play. Then, unless I screwed up my chart (possible), the common opponents tie-breakers -- conference and non-conf -- seem to be a wash also. That scenario will not be pretty. :x

Assuming three BSC teams get in the playoffs, the autobid becomes irrelevant as all three get the same thing (a playoff spot). The seeding process and the fate of the fourth place team then become interesting.

 

[yellowstone60]

MSU isn't going to be 8-4. Either them or ISU will lose two games of their last 3, eliminating them from consideration. ISU (despite statrob's claims), can't get to 7 D-1 wins without beating at least CP or MSU. And it is ENTIRELY possible that both UM and CP end up at 8-4, so I'm not sure what he's saying there...what IS impossible is that either CP or EWU end up at 8-3, since they both play 12 games...so who's REALLY the one who's punch drunk?

Just look at the losses and would they are against in my scenario. Explain how the Griz get in at 8-4 over EWU, NAU, Cal Poly, ISU and MSU if MSU wins.

Do you think they are taking 5 or 6 teams.

Dont give me the bullshit about the Cats can't win blah blah blah.. You said the Griz are in at 8-4 and said I was wrong.. I proved you wrong..

You haven't "proved" anything. At 8-4 the Griz have a win over EITHER EWU or MSU. If ISU is 8-4 that means they beat EITHER CP or MSU. There'll be a WHOLE bunch of teams at 6-2 in the conference and at that point it's completely at the commitee's discression about which teams they pick.

And I think in that scenario they'll take the Griz.

quote]quote] that stupid.. Griz 8-4
How does the Griz get picked over EWU with three losses and a better SOS even if the Griz beat them and their consistent ranking all year?

NAU is the autobid.

How does the Griz get in every Cal Poly with identical 8-4 records?

How does the Griz getting over MSU with identical records and a head to head win by MSU

ISU with a better conference and overall record record is in the mix also.

Do you anything that makes you think the Griz get in there?

They aren't taking 5, definitely not 6 and maybe not 4.

If you were anyone but the Griz what teams domet you pick and why

You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Too bad Weber's 22 point lead didn't hold up yesterday. Wouldn't it be funny if NAU wins the conference's auto-bid but another team like EWU, UM, or MSU get the higher seed for the playoffs? It's a very possible scenario with NAU's relatively easy remaining contests combined with a not as impressive resume up to this point. :?

Thing is, NAU already played their "impressive" part of their schedule (CP & EWU) and beat both of 'em...then turn around and lose to USD (non conf) and UNC (of ALL teams!)....they are truly Jekyll and Hyde.

 

[ranco]

MSU isn't going to be 8-4. Either them or ISU will lose two games of their last 3, eliminating them from consideration. ISU (despite statrob's claims), can't get to 7 D-1 wins without beating at least CP or MSU. And it is ENTIRELY possible that both UM and CP end up at 8-4, so I'm not sure what he's saying there...what IS impossible is that either CP or EWU end up at 8-3, since they both play 12 games...so who's REALLY the one who's punch drunk?

Just look at the losses and would they are against in my scenario. Explain how the Griz get in at 8-4 over EWU, NAU, Cal Poly, ISU and MSU if MSU wins.

Do you think they are taking 5 or 6 teams.

Dont give me the bullshit about the Cats can't win blah blah blah.. You said the Griz are in at 8-4 and said I was wrong.. I proved you wrong..

You haven't "proved" anything. At 8-4 the Griz have a win over EITHER EWU or MSU. If ISU is 8-4 that means they beat EITHER CP or MSU. There'll be a WHOLE bunch of teams at 6-2 in the conference and at that point it's completely at the commitee's discression about which teams they pick.

And I think in that scenario they'll take the Griz.

quote]quote] that stupid.. Griz 8-4
How does the Griz get picked over EWU with three losses and a better SOS even if the Griz beat them and their consistent ranking all year?

NAU is the autobid.

How does the Griz get in every Cal Poly with identical 8-4 records?

How does the Griz getting over MSU with identical records and a head to head win by MSU

ISU with a better conference and overall record record is in the mix also.

Do you anything that makes you think the Griz get in there?

They aren't taking 5, definitely not 6 and maybe not 4.

If you were anyone but the Griz what teams domet you pick and why

you can try to dream up a whole lot of scenarios, but in then end, regardless of how they get there, if the Griz end up at 8-4 they are in the playoffs. It really is that simple. And yes, Montana would get in over CP if they end up with equal records.

 

[ranco]

MSU isn't going to be 8-4. Either them or ISU will lose two games of their last 3, eliminating them from consideration. ISU (despite statrob's claims), can't get to 7 D-1 wins without beating at least CP or MSU. And it is ENTIRELY possible that both UM and CP end up at 8-4, so I'm not sure what he's saying there...what IS impossible is that either CP or EWU end up at 8-3, since they both play 12 games...so who's REALLY the one who's punch drunk?

Just look at the losses and would they are against in my scenario. Explain how the Griz get in at 8-4 over EWU, NAU, Cal Poly, ISU and MSU if MSU wins.

Do you think they are taking 5 or 6 teams.

Dont give me the bullshit about the Cats can't win blah blah blah.. You said the Griz are in at 8-4 and said I was wrong.. I proved you wrong..

You haven't "proved" anything. At 8-4 the Griz have a win over EITHER EWU or MSU. If ISU is 8-4 that means they beat EITHER CP or MSU. There'll be a WHOLE bunch of teams at 6-2 in the conference and at that point it's completely at the commitee's discression about which teams they pick.

And I think in that scenario they'll take the Griz.

quote]quote] that stupid.. Griz 8-4
How does the Griz get picked over EWU with three losses and a better SOS even if the Griz beat them and their consistent ranking all year?

NAU is the autobid.

How does the Griz get in every Cal Poly with identical 8-4 records?

How does the Griz getting over MSU with identical records and a head to head win by MSU

ISU with a better conference and overall record record is in the mix also.

Do you anything that makes you think the Griz get in there?

They aren't taking 5, definitely not 6 and maybe not 4.

If you were anyone but the Griz what teams domet you pick and why

you can try to dream up a whole lot of scenarios, but in then end, regardless of how they get there, if the Griz end up at 8-4 they are in the playoffs. It really is that simple. And yes, Montana would get in over CP if they end up with equal records.

 

[AZGrizFan]

you can try to dream up a whole lot of scenarios, but in then end, regardless of how they get there, if the Griz end up at 8-4 they are in the playoffs. It really is that simple. And yes, Montana would get in over CP if they end up with equal records.

And I'm not sure why rob has such a hard time understanding that....except maybe he can't statsplain it... :lol:

 

['68griz]

you can try to dream up a whole lot of scenarios, but in then end, regardless of how they get there, if the Griz end up at 8-4 they are in the playoffs. It really is that simple. And yes, Montana would get in over CP if they end up with equal records.

And I'm not sure why rob has such a hard time understanding that....except maybe he can't statsplain it... :lol:

The NCAA has known for years and years that giving Montana at least one playoff game is one of the few guaranteed moneymakers in 1-AA (FCS, if you please). Thus, an 8-4 UM team is going to make the playoffs over 8-4 Cal Poly (with what kind of attendance??) or MSU. It may not be fair; it may not have anything to do with records; it DOES have to do with tradition and history, and we can do nothing about that but rejoice.