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Bizarre SAC vs. Weber State game

grizzlyjournal

grizzlyjournal

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In one of the most bizarre finishes I've ever seen in college basketball, SAC State wins by 2 in overtime on a Dylan Garrity 3-pointer from the Weber State end of the floor as the buzzer went off (.7 seconds left when he shot it).

That all followed a 3-pointer by Davion Berry that had given the Wildcats a one-point lead with about 3 seconds remaining.

That all followed a hectic last three minutes or so where SAC coach Katz got a technical previous to two technicals on Weber's Randy Rahe.

Confusing? Well, go to the Big Sky site & queue up the final 6 minutes or so. Crazy.

All this while having to endure the ranting and whining of the SAC announcer. Strange.

This one's going to make national television
 
I've seen a lot of basketball in my life, probably several dozen that were decided by a made (or missed) shot in the final seconds.

But the combination of 3 technicals (all trigger-quick & emphatic, as replays showed), a clutch 23-25-foot jumper by Davion Berry (the guy's a winner, despite criticism from Weber fans for missing two free throws), and then the perfect 75-foot arc of a shot by Dylan Garrity...

Well, that game was a first. PLUS, Weber State had an over-and-back at center court at the 1-minute mark in OT that was NOT called, all forgotten by now, but what would have been used by SAC State fans as ammo for a poorly refereed game.

Pretty incredible.

I need to add that the Big Sky Conference really needs to establish guidelines for "partisan" announcers appearing on their official conference website. The SAC State announcer's comments went over the line in many instances and need to be addressed. Earlier this year I'd noticed that Weber State announcers were apparently operating on revised (much tighter, journalistically sound) standards (when the Griz played in Ogden this year) so it seems evident that it's becoming an issue that will (should be) addressed.
 
grizzlyjournal said:
I've seen a lot of basketball in my life, probably several dozen that were decided by a made (or missed) shot in the final seconds.

But the combination of 3 technicals (all trigger-quick & emphatic, as replays showed), a clutch 23-25-foot jumper by Davion Berry (the guy's a winner, despite criticism from Weber fans for missing two free throws), and then the perfect 75-foot arc of a shot by Dylan Garrity...

Well, that game was a first. PLUS, Weber State had an over-and-back at center court at the 1-minute mark in OT that was NOT called, all forgotten by now, but what would have been used by SAC State fans as ammo for a poorly refereed game.

Pretty incredible.

I need to add that the Big Sky Conference really needs to establish guidelines for "partisan" announcers appearing on their official conference website. The SAC State announcer's comments went over the line in many instances and need to be addressed. Earlier this year I'd noticed that Weber State announcers were apparently operating on revised (much tighter, journalistically sound) standards (when the Griz played in Ogden this year) so it seems evident that it's becoming an issue that will (should be) addressed.
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I never thought I would say this, "I actually enjoyed listening to the Weber State guys this season." Dutch does well when he puts his extreme homer comments aside. I admit, Mick is a homer too. He just does not go extreme in how his words and does not tear down other teams, or players. I do like when he selectively calls out officiating though.
 
Agreed, mtgrizrule. But that's what was pretty cool regarding Dutch this year. He obviously knows the game of college basketball very well so -- when he viewed the entire game and all players with just a touch of objective analysis -- he instantly became an announcer that added "color" and thus integrity to the entire game broadcast... for all listeners.

Play by play announcing is perhaps the toughest of journalistic perspectives. Your job is to be a homer and create a partisan view of the game to the "home team's" listeners & viewers. But you build credibility with all listeners when you demonstrate your objective view (and love) of the game.

Montana's Mick Holien is a consummate pro who has always conveyed the ability to unabashedly tout his love for the Lady Griz and the Griz (I still believe he should be given more credit for building the Lady Griz fan base) while maintaining a journalist's love for a true objective view of a game.

The two best professional play-by-play announcers in my book were the great Dave Niehaus (Seattle Mariners) and the equally reknown Jack Buck (St. Louis Cardinals and nationally broadcast pro football). Each had the ability to convey the excitement of game flow in the timbre and volume of their voice... and then, seconds later, provide objective analysis.

Well, now that Big Sky games are being broadcast conference wide, it might be time for the league's announcers to "study up" on how the pros have done it. Most of them are truly talented, they simply need to broaden their view to include listeners/viewers of other Big Sky teams.
 
The most classless and worst part about the Sac State announcer was when he was deliberately ranting his opinions about the officials while they were two feet away from him looking at the monitor on a couple plays. It was very pathetic. He may as well have been a dad of a player in the stands screaming at the ref. But for him to use his position at the table as a play by play announcer in that way, to try to judge or influence the officials while doing their job, is completely unprofessional and shows him to be a hack announcer.

Whether some of the calls were correct or not is irrelevant. He obviously supports and wants his team to win, but that was really bad and uncalled for.

By the way, grizzlyjournal, the situation that you thought was a back court violation...it wasn't missed by the refs. The Weber State player caught the ball with one foot on each side of the line when they were advancing the ball from the back court to the front court. He then moved the foot from the front court to the back court...not a violation. It would only have been a violation had he established both feet in the front court and then stepped back over the line. Team control in the front court had not yet been established...no violation. This is commonly mistaken by fans, coaches and players as a violation but it's not.
 
mtgrizrule said:
I never thought I would say this, "I actually enjoyed listening to the Weber State guys this season." Dutch does well when he puts his extreme homer comments aside. I admit, Mick is a homer too. He just does not go extreme in how his words and does not tear down other teams, or players. I do like when he selectively calls out officiating though.
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After last year I was cringing thinking about listening to the Weber announcers this year on Bigsky TV. It was a happy surprise though that Dutch didn't spend the entire game complaining about Tinkle complaining to the refs! He knows his stuff and when he talks about the actual game he adds a lot to the broadcast, so now I see why they have him there. Last year I guess was an off day for him.

NAU's announcer is always a good one to listen to. Really like how he reads emails from fans on the air. I still crack up thinking about some of the emails he actually read on the air. There are some good announcers in the Big Sky, but there are a few that really go overboard with their comments like Sac's last night, and UNC's on many occasions.
 
Agent G said:
By the way, grizzlyjournal, the situation that you thought was a back court violation...it wasn't missed by the refs. The Weber State player caught the ball with one foot on each side of the line when they were advancing the ball from the back court to the front court. He then moved the foot from the front court to the back court...not a violation. It would only have been a violation had he established both feet in the front court and then stepped back over the line. Team control in the front court had not yet been established...no violation. This is commonly mistaken by fans, coaches and players as a violation but it's not.
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I did not know that. I always understood that, once you had any foot in your front court, you had to advance to the front court.
 
Potomac Griz said:
NAU's announcer is always a good one to listen to. Really like how he reads emails from fans on the air. I still crack up thinking about some of the emails he actually read on the air. There are some good announcers in the Big Sky, but there are a few that really go overboard with their comments like Sac's last night, and UNC's on many occasions.
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Pretty sure it was Griz fans sending Mitch Strohman texts in-game a few years ago quoting The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. :clap:

One can be a homer (excited for their team) but still have an objective outlook on calling the game. This is normally what I hear from Mitch Strohman and Dave Brown on the NAU play by play and I appreciate it.
 
MT Jack said:
Potomac Griz said:
NAU's announcer is always a good one to listen to. Really like how he reads emails from fans on the air. I still crack up thinking about some of the emails he actually read on the air. There are some good announcers in the Big Sky, but there are a few that really go overboard with their comments like Sac's last night, and UNC's on many occasions.
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Pretty sure it was Griz fans sending Mitch Strohman texts in-game a few years ago quoting The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. :clap:

One can be a homer (excited for their team) but still have an objective outlook on calling the game. This is normally what I hear from Mitch Strohman and Dave Brown on the NAU play by play and I appreciate it.
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I agree - Love the NAU guys!
 
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