App St bad press - players suspended for sexual assaults

[GrizLA]

LOL Linda Gee was a gal I went to school with. Apparently she made more of an impression than Jean Gee. I'm not at App state, so can't say how the folks their view it. The tone of the article and quotes from the students aren't much different than what we have been hearing here, especially since the Kaiman Incident with Hauck. But one thing is for sure App state isn't the focus of world wide media attention and a DOJ civil rights investigation.

I guess we'll have to disagree. This is a lot bigger deal than some are willing to admit. No amount of explaining or justification will change the fact the way the U of M and City of Missoula has handled their problems differs so much from the rest of the nation, as to draw a lot of attention.

Actually, the City of MIssoula and UM have handled these problems better than most of the nation, and the Missoula county attorneys office has actually been fairly aggressive in investigating and pursuing sexual assault. That's why the announced DOJ investigation is especially odd. Added attention has been drawn to these problems by the local media, especially the Missoulian, which continues to put mere allegations on the front page. The Missoulian has given a front-page forum to any woman who wants to complain publicly about her situation, including ones who did not even report the situation to the university and ones whose allegations have apparently been so weak that the police/prosecutors declined to pursue them. Responsible media doesn't do this, or at least to this extent. UM and Engstrom have also done some things to propel some of the matters into the national press.

OH, geezuz............

This from the poster who claimed to have never heard of any sexual assaults during his 18 years education. I've often thought alot of posters were completely out of it and made idiotic posts, but the below post was really quite amazing.

"In my 18 years of education, I did not hear of one case of rape...sorry. If it happened, both men and women certainly kept it secret from all around them....."
http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57054&p=758958#p758958" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yes, that is absolutely correct. I did not know, hear of, or see, ANY of my classmates, friends, relatives, social connections or any one else in my school years that committed rape, or attempted rape. As a kid in Butte, a student at Cornell, UM, and Stanford I musty have moved in far different circles than you...and, had I even heard or suspected of such, would have reported it to the proper authorities. But, then, I am not an Jerry Sandusky type like you...

 

[GrizLA]

No, the officers were not "cleared". Yes, the police chief said the officers didn't violate tasing policy, but the officers received criticism for their inappropriate and borderline racist comments. The word was that the matter was dropped because the tasing was in fact inappropriate, and the particular officer had another bad tasing complaint going against him at the same time. The players' law firm certainly never backed off saying the police behavior was essentially police brutality.

Why do you think the two most serious misdemeanor charges were dropped, and only disorderly conduct remained? Since you obviously don't know, I'll tell you. It was because the facts and multiple witnesses didn't support the charges and the particular officer had some history on inappropriate tasing.

"the word was" Seems to me that's one of the things YOU rail against the most..... The problem is that the supposed video never surfaced, and although its been a long time since I was at a college party, I can't imagine the participants of the party taking the cops side of anything.... But with our zealous Police force and County Attorney, I would think that a taze happy cop wouldn't be around long (especially after the rather large payout for roughing up a retired Doc just a few months before)

I would have thought that if it was as serious a case of police brutality as you say, I would have thought a high powered law firm would have had NO charges and a settlement at the least seeing as they were innocent and the victims of over zealous racist cops......

See? That is the trouble..you are thinking. oops...

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, the City of MIssoula and UM have handled these problems better than most of the nation, and the Missoula county attorneys office has actually been fairly aggressive in investigating and pursuing sexual assault. That's why the announced DOJ investigation is especially odd. Added attention has been drawn to these problems by the local media, especially the Missoulian, which continues to put mere allegations on the front page. The Missoulian has given a front-page forum to any woman who wants to complain publicly about her situation, including ones who did not even report the situation to the university and ones whose allegations have apparently been so weak that the police/prosecutors declined to pursue them. Responsible media doesn't do this, or at least to this extent. UM and Engstrom have also done some things to propel some of the matters into the national press.

OH, geezuz............

This from the poster who claimed to have never heard of any sexual assaults during his 18 years education. I've often thought alot of posters were completely out of it and made idiotic posts, but the below post was really quite amazing.

"In my 18 years of education, I did not hear of one case of rape...sorry. If it happened, both men and women certainly kept it secret from all around them....."
http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57054&p=758958#p758958" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yes, that is absolutely correct. I did not know, hear of, or see, ANY of my classmates, friends, relatives, social connections or any one else in my school years that committed rape, or attempted rape. As a kid in Butte, a student at Cornell, UM, and Stanford I musty have moved in far different circles than you...and, had I even heard or suspected of such, would have reported it to the proper authorities. But, then, I am not an Jerry Sandusky type like you...

I sure hope I move in different circles than you. I also note that the group of schools I attended were better than the group you attended.

 

[GrizLA]

OH, geezuz............

This from the poster who claimed to have never heard of any sexual assaults during his 18 years education. I've often thought alot of posters were completely out of it and made idiotic posts, but the below post was really quite amazing.

"In my 18 years of education, I did not hear of one case of rape...sorry. If it happened, both men and women certainly kept it secret from all around them....."
http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57054&p=758958#p758958" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yes, that is absolutely correct. I did not know, hear of, or see, ANY of my classmates, friends, relatives, social connections or any one else in my school years that committed rape, or attempted rape. As a kid in Butte, a student at Cornell, UM, and Stanford I musty have moved in far different circles than you...and, had I even heard or suspected of such, would have reported it to the proper authorities. But, then, I am not an Jerry Sandusky type like you...

I sure hope I move in different circles than you. I also note that the group of schools I attended were better than the group you attended.

Oh, gawd!~

 

[PlayerRep]

No, the officers were not "cleared". Yes, the police chief said the officers didn't violate tasing policy, but the officers received criticism for their inappropriate and borderline racist comments. The word was that the matter was dropped because the tasing was in fact inappropriate, and the particular officer had another bad tasing complaint going against him at the same time. The players' law firm certainly never backed off saying the police behavior was essentially police brutality.

Why do you think the two most serious misdemeanor charges were dropped, and only disorderly conduct remained? Since you obviously don't know, I'll tell you. It was because the facts and multiple witnesses didn't support the charges and the particular officer had some history on inappropriate tasing.

"the word was" Seems to me that's one of the things YOU rail against the most..... The problem is that the supposed video never surfaced, and although its been a long time since I was at a college party, I can't imagine the participants of the party taking the cops side of anything.... But with our zealous Police force and County Attorney, I would think that a taze happy cop wouldn't be around long (especially after the rather large payout for roughing up a retired Doc just a few months before)

I would have thought that if it was as serious a case of police brutality as you say, I would have thought a high powered law firm would have had NO charges and a settlement at the least seeing as they were innocent and the victims of over zealous racist cops......

There were several good audios, which supported the players and witnesses views. There were videos too, but they were a bit grainy (as it was dark). Some of the witnesses were residents of the building and not at the party. I'm sure the players just wanted to get it over with. Do you think someone who was going to be a high round draft choice, wanted to bring some big attention-getting action? Do you think a continuing player would want to do that?

 

[tnt]

Do you think people who are drinking think (or 20 somethings with some attitude never make BAD decisions??

 

[tgreseth]

This from the poster who claimed to have never heard of any sexual assaults during his 18 years education. I've often thought alot of posters were completely out of it and made idiotic posts, but the below post was really quite amazing.

"In my 18 years of education, I did not hear of one case of rape...sorry. If it happened, both men and women certainly kept it secret from all around them....."
http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57054&p=758958#p758958" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yes, that is absolutely correct. I did not know, hear of, or see, ANY of my classmates, friends, relatives, social connections or any one else in my school years that committed rape, or attempted rape. As a kid in Butte, a student at Cornell, UM, and Stanford I musty have moved in far different circles than you...and, had I even heard or suspected of such, would have reported it to the proper authorities. But, then, I am not an Jerry Sandusky type like you...

I sure hope I move in different circles than you. I also note that the group of schools I attended were better than the group you attended.

Oh, gawd!~

I've been chuckling at this exchange all afternoon. Thanks for the laughs!

YITB

 

[LakGriz]

is this the thread that's SUPPOSED to be about App State's players?

Or do you look someplace else?

 

[GrizLA]

yes, that is absolutely correct. I did not know, hear of, or see, ANY of my classmates, friends, relatives, social connections or any one else in my school years that committed rape, or attempted rape. As a kid in Butte, a student at Cornell, UM, and Stanford I musty have moved in far different circles than you...and, had I even heard or suspected of such, would have reported it to the proper authorities. But, then, I am not an Jerry Sandusky type like you...

I sure hope I move in different circles than you. I also note that the group of schools I attended were better than the group you attended.

Oh, gawd!~

I've been chuckling at this exchange all afternoon. Thanks for the laughs!

YITB

I understand....personally, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[tgreseth]

I sure hope I move in different circles than you. I also note that the group of schools I attended were better than the group you attended.

Oh, gawd!~

I've been chuckling at this exchange all afternoon. Thanks for the laughs!

YITB

I understand....personally, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

your tete a tete with PR was priceless. :lol:

 

[GrizLA]

Oh, gawd!~

I've been chuckling at this exchange all afternoon. Thanks for the laughs!

YITB

I understand....personally, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

your tete a tete with PR was priceless. :lol:

that's because he went to better schools or some such crap..yet, here we are..posting on a mindless message board just like the kids in jr hi...I want my money back! I hung out with the wrong people and went to the wrong schools...alas.

 

[Growler1]

I've been chuckling at this exchange all afternoon. Thanks for the laughs!

YITB

I understand....personally, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

your tete a tete with PR was priceless. :lol:

that's because he went to better schools or some such crap..yet, here we are..posting on a mindless message board just like the kids in jr hi...I want my money back! I hung out with the wrong people and went to the wrong schools...alas.

No, you just are pissed that you have to be a minority

 

[GrizLA]

I understand....personally, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

your tete a tete with PR was priceless. :lol:

that's because he went to better schools or some such crap..yet, here we are..posting on a mindless message board just like the kids in jr hi...I want my money back! I hung out with the wrong people and went to the wrong schools...alas.

No, you just are pissed that you have to be a minority

oh, yeah...the 1% that cares..a minority worth being in....you? Not so much................

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If you really "cared" you would get out of education and give kids a chance.

 

[T-Dog]

The first incident happened last spring. However it was unreported until after the second one in mid September. The men involved were charged in student court and four of the five were found responsible in November.

However the admin in charge forgot to tell them the student court's version of their Miranda Rights so a retrial was scheduled for April. The same admin let the men return to campus but failed to tell the victims and the September one found out after she ran into them on campus. She eventually withdrew from school.

Then in early March a petetion was started online and it was reported in the student newspaper which led to publicity. After that, the men were resuspended from campus until the trial. Same results at the April trial. Both sides appealed. The women think all five should be found responsible and the men obviously think they're innocent.

The DA has declined charges in the first incident since it took so long to report and called it "an unwinnable case". The second victim has been told she can press charges when she wants to since there is evidence. She has said publicly that she will wait until the process is over which is when the appeals are settled.

 

[PlayerRep]

The first incident happened last spring. However it was unreported until after the second one in mid September. The men involved were charged in student court and four of the five were found responsible in November.

However the admin in charge forgot to tell them the student court's version of their Miranda Rights so a retrial was scheduled for April. The same admin let the men return to campus but failed to tell the victims and the September one found out after she ran into them on campus. She eventually withdrew from school.

Then in early March a petetion was started online and it was reported in the student newspaper which led to publicity. After that, the men were resuspended from campus until the trial. Same results at the April trial. Both sides appealed. The women think all five should be found responsible and the men obviously think they're innocent.

The DA has declined charges in the first incident since it took so long to report and called it "an unwinnable case". The second victim has been told she can press charges when she wants to since there is evidence. She has said publicly that she will wait until the process is over which is when the appeals are settled.

Thanks for the terrific summary. Interesting.

 

[Umista]

If they keep suspending these guys and others not found out about yet, Alpha is right on, we have a good chance of beating App St************************