Any Montana dream is now a nightmare (edited)

[grizpsych]

I am alumni and met Royce at the Tennessee game last year. He is a giant arrogant ASS.

How many alumni are you?

 

[Spanky]

Of course, Engstrom enjoys the Griz football games. Think of the revenue for Main Hall. Behind closed doors, does he really support Griz athletics? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually based on talks that I've had/heard and the general message from the president's office has been that of much more support for athletics than in times past.

RE is making some tough decisions, some that I personally don't agree with at all, however he's a supporter of athletics - those that think he isn't are kidding themselves.

This is not accurate, according to the people I believe are knowledgeable of the situation. Engstrom has provided only some lip service in support of athletics. As he was sworn in, he promised university matching funds for donations made for facilities, etc. He has already backed off of that. He doesn't understand athletics. He thinks going to football and basketball games, evidences support for athletics. He thought the negative reactions to the firings of the AD and coach would blow over in a week or so. Total miscalculation.

Go back to check with your sources who said Engstrom was a big supporter of athletics. Most of them won't say that now. You won't hear that from those in the athletic department. They will avoid answering the question.

Engstrom's bad decisions have hurt athletics and the university significantly. He's brought on much of this with his bad decisions. Under Dennision, UM would not be in this situation. Again, ask around to the people who have been big supporters of UM athletics for years.

 

[PlayerRep]

We do need to find someone that is good at fund raising. O' Day was a very talented fund raiser and his leadership there will be missed. Someone with a compliance background can't be expected to be able to go out there and sell and build relationships. Other than that, I'm not concerned about the football program at all. I think alot of people are just shocked, angry, and are over reacting. If we have a terrible year next year, so be it, we will rebound.

My biggest concern is of the reputation of the school and the city of Missoula. When a city is declared "the rape capital of America" by a nationally read publication and that story gets statewide publicity, that isn't good. I think a lot on here probably worry that this will effect football recruiting. I'm more worried about it effecting academic recruiting. Montana as a University tries to attract top level students to the school. It's really how the school grows and maintains its tier. If we lose out on top students because they are concerned about a perceived culture, it will have a direct impact on the health of our school. We want kids coming here that want to recieve a great education, not kids that are coming here just to party. I'm afraid our reputation might attract more of the latter than the former at this point. Engstrom and his staff need to get to work on repairing that reputation and emphasise the school's commitment to providing a safe environment and a top notch education. That should be their only priority.

Your post supports what I had been saying all along about O'Day......that he was in the wrong job. He should have been named the head of athletic fund-raising, and NOT the athletic director. He was much too buddy-buddy with coaches to be their boss. This is a primary reason that the culture which Hauck fostered was allowed to continue. I assure you that Hogan would have been much more pro-active when this stuff started happening than O'day.

I think O'Day did a lot of things very well. Great fund raiser, no NCAA violations, balanced the budget, etc... One thing he wasn't was an effective disciplinarian. He always sees the good in people and gives people the benefit of the doubt. He never intentionally swept anything under the rug, he just wasn't as strict or forceful as he needed to be. Hauck AND Pflu also were poor disciplinarians and didn't do a great job of holding players accountable (e.g. Pflu's defending of JJ, Pflu's handling of taser incident, Hauck's handling of frat party incident). I believe some (a few) players took advantage of this and built a superiority complex in thinking they could do most anything and not face damaging consequences. However, even now, with the leadership gone, we have people and boosters blindly defending the accused players tooth and nail to the point of calling the accusers "liars" or a "sluts". This is the culture that is harmful and needs to change and is the root of the problem in my mind.

Highline, you don't have correct facts. Hauck is probably the biggest disciplinarian and hard-ass with players of any coach ever at UM. Pflu not as much, but not a poor discipliarian. Hauck and Pflu took significant action in all of the matters that have become public, as well as others. In the case of Pflu, the final decisions for most of the public incidents were made by UM administrators and not by him. Wilson biting, taser incident, and JJ returning to spring practice were made by others, including O'Day, Foley and Engstrom. Also, Lopatch in some cases. Hauck's handling of the frat incident involved very significant discipline. After the guy beat on one of their friends, Johnson apparently threw one punch and the other guy apparently had a kick or two. No charges brought, because, to the kid's credit, he didn't go to the cops. When called to Hauck's attention, he instituted immediate internal discipline, dropped the players from their starting roles in spring and fall practice, made them call the kid to apologize, and held them out of the next game. This was very significant discipline, especially for a fight that lasted a matter of seconds. As for Pflu's support of JJ, why wouldn't a coach, who has known the kid and his family about 15 years, support his qb? He answered a question from a reporter. I have more respect for Pflu for saying what he thought.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Highline, you don't have correct facts. Hauck is probably the biggest disciplinarian and hard-ass with players of any coach ever at UM.

Hahahaha!!!

:clap:

You're ridiculous. You know this, right? It's an act. I must be an act.

 

[MooUBaby]

We do need to find someone that is good at fund raising. O' Day was a very talented fund raiser and his leadership there will be missed. Someone with a compliance background can't be expected to be able to go out there and sell and build relationships. Other than that, I'm not concerned about the football program at all. I think alot of people are just shocked, angry, and are over reacting. If we have a terrible year next year, so be it, we will rebound.

My biggest concern is of the reputation of the school and the city of Missoula. When a city is declared "the rape capital of America" by a nationally read publication and that story gets statewide publicity, that isn't good. I think a lot on here probably worry that this will effect football recruiting. I'm more worried about it effecting academic recruiting. Montana as a University tries to attract top level students to the school. It's really how the school grows and maintains its tier. If we lose out on top students because they are concerned about a perceived culture, it will have a direct impact on the health of our school. We want kids coming here that want to recieve a great education, not kids that are coming here just to party. I'm afraid our reputation might attract more of the latter than the former at this point. Engstrom and his staff need to get to work on repairing that reputation and emphasise the school's commitment to providing a safe environment and a top notch education. That should be their only priority.

Your post supports what I had been saying all along about O'Day......that he was in the wrong job. He should have been named the head of athletic fund-raising, and NOT the athletic director. He was much too buddy-buddy with coaches to be their boss. This is a primary reason that the culture which Hauck fostered was allowed to continue. I assure you that Hogan would have been much more pro-active when this stuff started happening than O'day.

I think O'Day did a lot of things very well. Great fund raiser, no NCAA violations, balanced the budget, etc... One thing he wasn't was an effective disciplinarian. He always sees the good in people and gives people the benefit of the doubt. He never intentionally swept anything under the rug, he just wasn't as strict or forceful as he needed to be. Hauck AND Pflu also were poor disciplinarians and didn't do a great job of holding players accountable (e.g. Pflu's defending of JJ, Pflu's handling of taser incident, Hauck's handling of frat party incident). I believe some (a few) players took advantage of this and built a superiority complex in thinking they could do most anything and not face damaging consequences. However, even now, with the leadership gone, we have people and boosters blindly defending the accused players tooth and nail to the point of calling the accusers "liars" or a "sluts". This is the culture that is harmful and needs to change and is the root of the problem in my mind.

Highline, you don't have correct facts. Hauck is probably the biggest disciplinarian and hard-ass with players of any coach ever at UM. Pflu not as much, but not a poor discipliarian. Hauck and Pflu took significant action in all of the matters that have become public, as well as others. In the case of Pflu, the final decisions for most of the public incidents were made by UM administrators and not by him. Wilson biting, taser incident, and JJ returning to spring practice were made by others, including O'Day, Foley and Engstrom. Also, Lopatch in some cases. Hauck's handling of the frat incident involved very significant discipline. After the guy beat on one of their friends, Johnson apparently threw one punch and the other guy apparently had a kick or two. No charges brought, because, to the kid's credit, he didn't go to the cops. When called to Hauck's attention, he instituted immediate internal discipline, dropped the players from their starting roles in spring and fall practice, made them call the kid to apologize, and held them out of the next game. This was very significant discipline, especially for a fight that lasted a matter of seconds. As for Pflu's support of JJ, why wouldn't a coach, who has known the kid and his family about 15 years, support his qb? He answered a question from a reporter. I have more respect for Pflu for saying what he thought.

There you are playerRape, I thought you committed suicide. By the way your mug shot on BN is priceless! :lol:

 

[moose/squirrel]

Your post supports what I had been saying all along about O'Day......that he was in the wrong job. He should have been named the head of athletic fund-raising, and NOT the athletic director. He was much too buddy-buddy with coaches to be their boss. This is a primary reason that the culture which Hauck fostered was allowed to continue. I assure you that Hogan would have been much more pro-active when this stuff started happening than O'day.

I think O'Day did a lot of things very well. Great fund raiser, no NCAA violations, balanced the budget, etc... One thing he wasn't was an effective disciplinarian. He always sees the good in people and gives people the benefit of the doubt. He never intentionally swept anything under the rug, he just wasn't as strict or forceful as he needed to be. Hauck AND Pflu also were poor disciplinarians and didn't do a great job of holding players accountable (e.g. Pflu's defending of JJ, Pflu's handling of taser incident, Hauck's handling of frat party incident). I believe some (a few) players took advantage of this and built a superiority complex in thinking they could do most anything and not face damaging consequences. However, even now, with the leadership gone, we have people and boosters blindly defending the accused players tooth and nail to the point of calling the accusers "liars" or a "sluts". This is the culture that is harmful and needs to change and is the root of the problem in my mind.

If you need to keep jerking off in public please do it on your own board....thanks and good bye.

Highline, you don't have correct facts. Hauck is probably the biggest disciplinarian and hard-ass with players of any coach ever at UM. Pflu not as much, but not a poor discipliarian. Hauck and Pflu took significant action in all of the matters that have become public, as well as others. In the case of Pflu, the final decisions for most of the public incidents were made by UM administrators and not by him. Wilson biting, taser incident, and JJ returning to spring practice were made by others, including O'Day, Foley and Engstrom. Also, Lopatch in some cases. Hauck's handling of the frat incident involved very significant discipline. After the guy beat on one of their friends, Johnson apparently threw one punch and the other guy apparently had a kick or two. No charges brought, because, to the kid's credit, he didn't go to the cops. When called to Hauck's attention, he instituted immediate internal discipline, dropped the players from their starting roles in spring and fall practice, made them call the kid to apologize, and held them out of the next game. This was very significant discipline, especially for a fight that lasted a matter of seconds. As for Pflu's support of JJ, why wouldn't a coach, who has known the kid and his family about 15 years, support his qb? He answered a question from a reporter. I have more respect for Pflu for saying what he thought.

There you are playerRape, I thought you committed suicide. By the way your mug shot on BN is priceless! :lol:

 

[kemajic]

Actually based on talks that I've had/heard and the general message from the president's office has been that of much more support for athletics than in times past.

RE is making some tough decisions, some that I personally don't agree with at all, however he's a supporter of athletics - those that think he isn't are kidding themselves.

I agree. Be careful what you ask for; a Pres. replacement today would likely be a feminazi in this environment if Pat Williams has anything to say about it. Think that would be better?

 

[kemajic]

Highline, you don't have correct facts. Hauck is probably the biggest disciplinarian and hard-ass with players of any coach ever at UM.

Hahahaha!!!

:clap:

You're ridiculous. You know this, right? It's an act. I must be an act.

BH was not afraid to take chances on risky recruits that caused some problems, but if you think Hauck was a player's coach, you don't know much. Most players were about half afraid of him; he was not warm and fuzzy with any of the players and was not personally popular. One of his leadership traits was intimidation. RP is right about this one. Just because he didn't share his discipline with eGriz or the Missoulian doesn't mean it wasn't there. In fact, if you recall, he didn't share much else either.

 

[GrizPony]

Absolutely correct.