Another View on Recent Griz "Incidents"

[PlayerRep]

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

You mean the one where the girls were willing participants. Except one of the girls fiancé' saw the video and forced her to try to press charges?

Thus the difference between "gang bang" and Gang rape - willingness. Just trying to bring PR up to date on terminology. There was always a question about the gang rape, very little about the gang bang. he looks foolish when he says it never happened.

So you believe a woman giving several guys blow jobs in a living room, is a gang bang?

From the jezebel.com article on Missoula. "We talk for a while about the alleged football team gang-rape; she knows the details because she's "on and off" with one of the players who was involved and recorded the whole thing on his phone, "because guys are like that." She tells it like this: two best girlfriends got drunk with the team and took turns going around in a circle and giving the players blowjobs. One of the girls also had sex with one of the football players that night, and when her boyfriend caught wind of the affair, she said it was non-consensual. He convinced her to file a police report, but the County Attorney's Office decided not to prosecute, citing a lack of evidence. Tori thinks that's because her friend showed them the video, which depicted the girl excited and laughing. "In other words," Tori says, "She was into it."

 

[grizcountry420]

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

You mean the one where the girls were willing participants. Except one of the girls fiancé' saw the video and forced her to try to press charges?

Thus the difference between "gang bang" and Gang rape - willingness. Just trying to bring PR up to date on terminology. There was always a question about the gang rape, very little about the gang bang. he looks foolish when he says it never happened.

So you believe a woman giving several guys blow jobs in a living room, is a gang bang?

From the jezebel.com article on Missoula. "We talk for a while about the alleged football team gang-rape; she knows the details because she's "on and off" with one of the players who was involved and recorded the whole thing on his phone, "because guys are like that." She tells it like this: two best girlfriends got drunk with the team and took turns going around in a circle and giving the players blowjobs. One of the girls also had sex with one of the football players that night, and when her boyfriend caught wind of the affair, she said it was non-consensual. He convinced her to file a police report, but the County Attorney's Office decided not to prosecute, citing a lack of evidence. Tori thinks that's because her friend showed them the video, which depicted the girl excited and laughing. "In other words," Tori says, "She was into it."

Dirty Sluts.......

 

[kemajic]

Yesterday, I had a conversation about incidents like these with a friend of mine. He had played football for the GRIZ in the very early sixties. Asked him what he remembered that involved fights during his days in Missoula. He said players in bar fights were pretty much a weekly occurrence.

As a witness and participant, I can validate this. One did not get arrested for settling personal disputes as long as weapons weren't involved. And it certainly didn't make news; I guess the Missoulian had actual newsworthy stuff to print.

 

[kemajic]

They can party and do the bar scene when their athletic careers are over.

I think that's what Cherry did.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Yesterday, I had a conversation about incidents like these with a friend of mine. He had played football for the GRIZ in the very early sixties. Asked him what he remembered that involved fights during his days in Missoula. He said players in bar fights were pretty much a weekly occurrence.

As a witness and participant, I can validate this. One did not get arrested for settling personal disputes as long as weapons weren't involved. And it certainly didn't make news; I guess the Missoulian had actual newsworthy stuff to print.

Good points, but the sad reality is we now live in the 24/7 "news" world. Some dipwad is snapping a video on their freaking cell phone, while their friend is "tweeting" that a Griz did this or that, Gwen Florio trolls all things cyber looking for her favorite key word...Griz. It would have been the same shit back then if all this "wonderful" technology been around.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

2. Looking at the Cherry article and affidavit, it looks like a 34 year guy (I'm just going to guess he was white, but don't know) went after Cherry as Stocks closed. "Jumped" him, according to what was said in the affidavit. When somebody goes after a college kid, especially a black UM athlete, does it surprise any of you that a black athlete and his friends don't like that, especially at the end of an evening of being in the bars? This is a far too frequent occurrence in Missoula. In my view, it reflects the considerable prejudice and racism that lies with a small minority of people in this town. If you don't believe me, ask around the athletic department. Ask Jim O'Day.

Whatever. WTF does the color of ANY of their skin matter? This wasn't a race issue, plain and simple. For you to imply as much is idiotic.

Actually race played a huge part in the altercation. A drunk and (I'm guessing) stoned white guy was making racist comments and then came up and continued to antagonize Cherry.

Not that I don't believe you BDizzle but was this in the affidavit (I can't view it) or did you just hear this (or witness it?).

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Griz athletes are under a "microscope."

...
On the other hand, it means that people with their eyeballs trained on that eyepiece lens need to find a different hobby.

This entire message board is dedicated mostly to Griz athletics, and fans who spends literally hours a day talking about Griz athletes.

How ironic can you be? Unless, of course, you are also a member of the Knowles Hall message board, and spend hours a day discussing what students there are doing. Or the Dance department, and what those students are doing.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

"This is so unfair that the media focuses on Griz athletes!"

Say the grown men on this board who want nothing more than to befriend these young men, and bask in their glory.

It's a sickness, and the OP here is Exhibit A of this hypocrisy.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

How ironic can you be? Unless, of course, you are also a member of the Knowles Hall message board, and spend hours a day discussing what students there are doing. Or the Dance department, and what those students are doing.

I plead innocent, your honor. Rather than spending hours a day "discussing what students are doing," I just try to provide a little comic relief every now and then. (But if the Knowles Hall message board needs comic relief, I'll sure try to help out there, too.)

I do think it's a two-way street. Some people in the community have a major bias against Griz athletes, and others are major suck-ups. Neither is better than the other. I take it for what it's worth: entertainment.

 

[Ursa Major]

I think we can put a microscope on each incident and parse out things all day long. And PR, I agree with most of what you wrote. The bigger problem is the reputation of the program and to a lesser degree the University. Right or wrong, people who read the headlines in Montana are losing their faith in the team and the institution. No doubt it is hurting financial support and enrollment. Call it quantity over quality of bad press reports (i.e. stupid actions by athletes) if you like, an unfair focus on the team but the bottom line is the brand is surely suffering.

The real question is how do you right the ship and repair the program's reputation? The first step has to be stop digging (i.e. stop these almost weekly news reports) and stop blaming. The second is to promote the postive things that student athletes do in the community and what the University does for the State of Montana.

If only there was another university that was close in distance, size and demographics that we could compare ourselves to... As much as I hate to admit it, right now we are losing that comparison. Especially with the 900.000 Montanans that only read headlines.

We need to address this.

 

[poorgriz]

PR lost me at "I'm guessing he was white".

There isn't one person (especially in Msla) that would jump a guy and beat his ass ONLY because he's black. Not fu*king one person.

Therefore when Cherry is running his mouth (I'm guessing because he's black) and pissing off some guy with his words.....being a man you have to expect to have some punches thrown your way. Either that or STFU.



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Ya... same ol same ol for PR. Blah blah blah. The # or arrests of players and others related to Grizzly athletics over the past few years is STAGGERING. Way, way higher than probably any other college in the country. Yet you keep trying to explaing all these incidents away, one by one.

The idea that the Missoula community is racist and everyone including the cops are "out to get" the black folk... is downright stupid. If there is ANY truth to that at all, it's due to the fact that black players that have been brought into the program in the past few years have absolutely acted like thugs. I know for a fact, 100% proof positive there have been multiple black football players seen downtown flashing pistols and acting like thugs. My buddy, ex griz player, has seen it happen.

Actually, same old lies and exaggerations from you. You just lied blatantly lied about multiple black football players "seen" downtown flashing pistols. Are you another one of the Missoula racists? You have consistently made up stuff about UM athletes, even making up incidents that never occurred or including people who were never involved. You are bad news. At least, most of the board is now getting to see your agenda and dishonesty.

No... you're the one that's bad news, and most posters on here agree. It looks like your primary mission in life, for some strange reason, is to stand on your perch and excuse shitty decisions by UM athletes. As for me making stuff up, prove it. Are you saying that of all the players that have been arrested over the past few years... you don't believe that any of them have ever packed heat downtown? If you think that's true then you are dumber than I thought. In fact I think there are posts on here where others stated they've seen it too. Of course you also said BD wasn't a rapist, and if there wasn't evidence of that rape ( by a pure stroke of luck) you'd still be beating that same old drum telling everyone that he was a model citizen and his accuser was a liar.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

How ironic can you be? Unless, of course, you are also a member of the Knowles Hall message board, and spend hours a day discussing what students there are doing. Or the Dance department, and what those students are doing.

I plead innocent, your honor. Rather than spending hours a day "discussing what students are doing," I just try to provide a little comic relief every now and then. (But if the Knowles Hall message board needs comic relief, I'll sure try to help out there, too.)

I do think it's a two-way street. Some people in the community have a major bias against Griz athletes, and others are major suck-ups. Neither is better than the other. I take it for what it's worth: entertainment.

Thanks for being honest! Great post. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

I see that BDizzle put this in a post in the basketball forum:

"So DeShields pled innocent. Cherry has court next week. From what I'm reading/hearing, some 34 year old guy "attacked" Cherry from behind. Cherry defended himself and then a skirmish broke out. Cops came. Cherry was pissed and didn't listen. Got himself tazed and arrested. DeShields decided it would be fun to hollar in the street and got himself arrested. Both could easily get all charges dropped as they weren't the instigators or both could plead guilty as disorderly conduct is nothing. I'm guessing they will dismiss resisting arrest on Cherry because it was the heat of the moment and he didn't try to fight the cops.

The issue with downtown Missoula is when you have ignorant (I'm gonna say it) white people and then bring alcohol and other drugs into the equation you have a recipe for disaster. I've seen it first hand and I'm honestly amazed there aren't more instances of large fights breaking out downtown."

 

[Hells bells]

PR lost me at "I'm guessing he was white".

There isn't one person (especially in Msla) that would jump a guy and beat his ass ONLY because he's black. Not fu*king one person.

Therefore when Cherry is running his mouth (I'm guessing because he's black) and pissing off some guy with his words.....being a man you have to expect to have some punches thrown your way. Either that or STFU.



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Ya... same ol same ol for PR. Blah blah blah. The # or arrests of players and others related to Grizzly athletics over the past few years is STAGGERING. Way, way higher than probably any other college in the country. Yet you keep trying to explaing all these incidents away, one by one.

The idea that the Missoula community is racist and everyone including the cops are "out to get" the black folk... is downright stupid. If there is ANY truth to that at all, it's due to the fact that black players that have been brought into the program in the past few years have absolutely acted like thugs. I know for a fact, 100% proof positive there have been multiple black football players seen downtown flashing pistols and acting like thugs. My buddy, ex griz player, has seen it happen.

Actually, same old lies and exaggerations from you. You just lied blatantly lied about multiple black football players "seen" downtown flashing pistols. Are you another one of the Missoula racists? You have consistently made up stuff about UM athletes, even making up incidents that never occurred or including people who were never involved. You are bad news. At least, most of the board is now getting to see your agenda and dishonesty.

No... you're the one that's bad news, and most posters on here agree. It looks like your primary mission in life, for some strange reason, is to stand on your perch and excuse shitty decisions by UM athletes. As for me making stuff up, prove it. Are you saying that of all the players that have been arrested over the past few years... you don't believe that any of them have ever packed heat downtown? If you think that's true then you are dumber than I thought. In fact I think there are posts on here where others stated they've seen it too. Of course you also said BD wasn't a rapist, and if there wasn't evidence of that rape ( by a pure stroke of luck) you'd still be beating that same old drum telling everyone that he was a model citizen and his accuser was a liar.

PR do you get paid by UM athletics to excuse the bad actions of their Student Athletes?
:?:

 

[EverettGriz]

I think we can put a microscope on each incident and parse out things all day long. And PR, I agree with most of what you wrote. The bigger problem is the reputation of the program and to a lesser degree the University. Right or wrong, people who read the headlines in Montana are losing their faith in the team and the institution. No doubt it is hurting financial support and enrollment. Call it quantity over quality of bad press reports (i.e. stupid actions by athletes) if you like, an unfair focus on the team but the bottom line is the brand is surely suffering.

The real question is how do you right the ship and repair the program's reputation? The first step has to be stop digging (i.e. stop these almost weekly news reports) and stop blaming. The second is to promote the postive things that student athletes do in the community and what the University does for the State of Montana.

If only there was another university that was close in distance, size and demographics that we could compare ourselves to... As much as I hate to admit it, right now we are losing that comparison. Especially with the 900.000 Montanans that only read headlines.

We need to address this.

Great post, Ursa.

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

The real question is how do you right the ship and repair the program's reputation? The first step has to be stop digging (i.e. stop these almost weekly news reports) and stop blaming. The second is to promote the postive things that student athletes do in the community and what the University does for the State of Montana.

If only there was another university that was close in distance, size and demographics that we could compare ourselves to... As much as I hate to admit it, right now we are losing that comparison. Especially with the 900.000 Montanans that only read headlines.

We need to address this.

THIS.

 

[Geddes]

I think we can put a microscope on each incident and parse out things all day long. And PR, I agree with most of what you wrote. The bigger problem is the reputation of the program and to a lesser degree the University. Right or wrong, people who read the headlines in Montana are losing their faith in the team and the institution. No doubt it is hurting financial support and enrollment. Call it quantity over quality of bad press reports (i.e. stupid actions by athletes) if you like, an unfair focus on the team but the bottom line is the brand is surely suffering.

The real question is how do you right the ship and repair the program's reputation? The first step has to be stop digging (i.e. stop these almost weekly news reports) and stop blaming. The second is to promote the postive things that student athletes do in the community and what the University does for the State of Montana.

If only there was another university that was close in distance, size and demographics that we could compare ourselves to... As much as I hate to admit it, right now we are losing that comparison. Especially with the 900.000 Montanans that only read headlines.

We need to address this.

Glad to see your bender did not damage your cognitive thought process! Well said.

P.S. Did the evil dragon woman get hit by a truck? I have had my fingers crossed..

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am so tired umpteen legal threads every year. PR brought up a good thread and well thought out. The problem with these threads are people not agreeing with each other that turn the threads into pissing contests. Can we please not go there?

I cannot remember where I read it in the past 24 hours, but one poster suggested having legal clauses stating under aged alcohol related incidents would have disciplinary actions. I am not sure to what extent they could enforce clauses like that. If it is possible, I do feel it is necessary.

I also feel it is time for coaches to restrict their players from renting homes. I hear that is where most of the trouble arises for parties. They need to restrict the athletes to living on campus or small apartment rentals. Also there has to be something done to keep these kids out of the damn bars, especially when they are under age. Yes it would suck to be limited in living options while on scholarship, but there are too many athletes screwing it up for the innocent ones. I would not blame the coaches and athletic department for implementing stricter policies for athletes and anyone on any scholarship.

It is time to put a stop to all the legal troubles. Time for them to be babysat until they can prove they can be trusted to have their freedom.

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

10. I know this won't happen (and I'm also not really being serious)--and know alot of dumbass posters will come flying out of the woodwork--but another way to deal with these issues is: to do it the old fashion way. Stop pursuing so many of these situations that may not deserve escalation and confrontation, and stop giving them so much attention and publicity. Does a minor fight involving a UM athlete in front of Stocks really deserve more attention in the Missoulian, than the Boston marathon bombing or the death of a former Lady Griz athlete? I know this kind of stuff has become a big deal in recent years at UM, but I'm sorry, I guess I just don't get as worked up about fights, loud parties, etc. as some people. I wish it would all stop, but it probably won't. Maybe UM and Haslam can figure out how to at least reduce it. Does it seem to have gotten worse since Engstrom became the president?

As hard as it is going to be for some of the posters on this board to hear this, it seems to me Engstrom has addressed it. After all, as much as O'Day was admired on this board, I understood that was why O'Day was fired - letting the inmates run the asylum.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

PR do you get paid by UM athletics to excuse the bad actions of their Student Athletes?
:?:

He used to think he was paying money to gain access to players, which was a bit sad. Some people actually pay big money to just support the program, and not just gain access to players.

Now, he's on the outside trying to find a way back in... :shock: