Another View on Recent Griz "Incidents"

[PlayerRep]

PR lost me at "I'm guessing he was white".

There isn't one person (especially in Msla) that would jump a guy and beat his ass ONLY because he's black. Not fu*king one person.

Therefore when Cherry is running his mouth (I'm guessing because he's black) and pissing off some guy with his words.....being a man you have to expect to have some punches thrown your way. Either that or STFU.



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Ya... same ol same ol for PR. Blah blah blah. The # or arrests of players and others related to Grizzly athletics over the past few years is STAGGERING. Way, way higher than probably any other college in the country. Yet you keep trying to explaing all these incidents away, one by one.

The idea that the Missoula community is racist and everyone including the cops are "out to get" the black folk... is downright stupid. If there is ANY truth to that at all, it's due to the fact that black players that have been brought into the program in the past few years have absolutely acted like thugs. I know for a fact, 100% proof positive there have been multiple black football players seen downtown flashing pistols and acting like thugs. My buddy, ex griz player, has seen it happen.

Actually, same old lies and exaggerations from you. You just lied blatantly lied about multiple black football players "seen" downtown flashing pistols. Are you another one of the Missoula racists? You have consistently made up stuff about UM athletes, even making up incidents that never occurred or including people who were never involved. You are bad news. At least, most of the board is now getting to see your agenda and dishonesty.

 

[PlayerRep]

Does anyone actually know what the TE coach actually did? I noticed a quote from Haslam saying it was more "horsing around" than anything else. Now, horsing around is a major crime in Missoula, and deserves dismissal from your job (if you are a coach)?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Regarding AD Haslam's article in today's paper....I had to chuckle with the "WISE USE OF ALCOHOL" comment! I alway knew it made me wiser with a little time.

The more I drank, the wiser I got.

 

[GrizMusician]

Regarding AD Haslam's article in today's paper....I had to chuckle with the "WISE USE OF ALCOHOL" comment! I alway knew it made me wiser with a little time.

The more I drank, the wiser I got.

That's because you killed the slowest & weakest brain cells... it's quite simple... survival of the fittest! :thumb:

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[getgrizzy]

PR lost me at "I'm guessing he was white".

There isn't one person (especially in Msla) that would jump a guy and beat his ass ONLY because he's black. Not fu*king one person.

Therefore when Cherry is running his mouth (I'm guessing because he's black) and pissing off some guy with his words.....being a man you have to expect to have some punches thrown your way. Either that or STFU.



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Ya... same ol same ol for PR. Blah blah blah. The # or arrests of players and others related to Grizzly athletics over the past few years is STAGGERING. Way, way higher than probably any other college in the country. Yet you keep trying to explaing all these incidents away, one by one.

The idea that the Missoula community is racist and everyone including the cops are "out to get" the black folk... is downright stupid. If there is ANY truth to that at all, it's due to the fact that black players that have been brought into the program in the past few years have absolutely acted like thugs. I know for a fact, 100% proof positive there have been multiple black football players seen downtown flashing pistols and acting like thugs. My buddy, ex griz player, has seen it happen.

Actually, same old lies and exaggerations from you. You just lied blatantly lied about multiple black football players "seen" downtown flashing pistols. Are you another one of the Missoula racists? You have consistently made up stuff about UM athletes, even making up incidents that never occurred or including people who were never involved. You are bad news. At least, most of the board is now getting to see your agenda and dishonesty.

wow. you have nothing to state that he's lying. if you can say he's lying then can everyone say you're lying? fact is you don't know if he's lying or not and you definitely sound more like a racist than poorgriz does.

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

Does anyone actually know what the TE coach actually did? I noticed a quote from Haslam saying it was more "horsing around" than anything else. Now, horsing around is a major crime in Missoula, and deserves dismissal from your job (if you are a coach)?

HORSING AROUND ~ Verb.

When a University of Montana football coach is in the bar at 2:00 a.m. with a player whose actions result in a broken window. I shouldn't have put myself in that situation, but I felt like horsing around.

 

[getgrizzy]

Does anyone actually know what the TE coach actually did? I noticed a quote from Haslam saying it was more "horsing around" than anything else. Now, horsing around is a major crime in Missoula, and deserves dismissal from your job (if you are a coach)?

he and several players and other coaches were horsing around and were told to stop several times, but didn't. the result of the horse play and not listening was a broken window, but the owner didn't want to press charges which was his decision. had he pressed charges it would've been a crime in the public eye because you can't go around destroying someone else's property in montana. as it is this is an 'embarrassment to the school' and is punishable per the code of conduct.

 

[griz4life]

I'm no saint. I've was in trouble for more than disturbing the peace in my youth, but that all changed when I landed a good paying job for a company that valued its image in the community and didn't want to be associated with the employees who behaved like childish assholes in their free time.

If a Griz athlete values his scholarship, values being on the team, is it really asking much of him to stay out of the police blotter. If it's just "petty" offenses, then it really shouldn't be hard to clean up.
I agree that non-student athletes get written up for this stuff, too. If a kid wants to trade the privileges of being a Griz for the privileges of being a non-student athlete, Haslam should do everything possible to help him with the transition.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

1. While I wish none of this recent stuff was happening, especially with what some have referred to as "UM athletics being under a microscope", it doesn't surprise me that kids, including college kids and UM athletes, are getting into fights, having loud parties, and driving after drinking. This has happened for years and will likely continue. If it surprises some of you, then I wonder what you and your friends did in college, whether you have ever lived or experienced life, and/or what planet you are from.

Not many people are claiming that they were saints in college. But I'm guessing 95% of the people posting here were also not on full or partial athletic scholarships and therefore were buried in obscurity amongst thousands of other plain 'ol students. If you want the notoriety of being an athlete in Montana, be prepared to take the bad with the good. If you don't want the notoriety, then don't put yourself in these situations. Someone called you a d-bag? Turn around and walk away... plain and simple. The world has a lot more respect for athletes who prove themselves on the court rather than off.

2. Looking at the Cherry article and affidavit, it looks like a 34 year guy (I'm just going to guess he was white, but don't know) went after Cherry as Stocks closed. "Jumped" him, according to what was said in the affidavit. When somebody goes after a college kid, especially a black UM athlete, does it surprise any of you that a black athlete and his friends don't like that, especially at the end of an evening of being in the bars? This is a far too frequent occurrence in Missoula. In my view, it reflects the considerable prejudice and racism that lies with a small minority of people in this town. If you don't believe me, ask around the athletic department. Ask Jim O'Day.

Whatever. WTF does the color of ANY of their skin matter? This wasn't a race issue, plain and simple. For you to imply as much is idiotic.

4. However, I don't understand why a cop just coming into the situation (as he admitted in the affidavit) would come running into this type of situation and order Cherry, or any black or white kid, to sit on the curb. How could the cop have known what was going on? Sounds like no punches were being thrown at the time. Unnecessary confrontation can and does escalate situations.

Asking people to sit on the curb is 'unnecessary confrontation'? :roll:

5. Then when the cop has decided to arrest Cherry, Will pulls away and says FU a time or two to the cop. When the cop tries to pull Cherry's arm back to handcuff him, the cop supposedly warns him that he'll be tased if he doesn't cooperate, and then tases him. I guess I just don't believe in tasing in situations like this. Just don't see why tasing, which can seriously hurt people and even kill them, is used so easily. Note that an order guy died after being tased in MT within the last month or so.

If ANY subject becomes resistant, combative, forceful, disorderly... the officer should have the right to use such force as necessary to protect themselves and others. If you don't appreciate the situations police officers put themselves in on a daily basis, I suggest you patrol with an officer for a few nights. If this had been a Joe Blow transient who was apparently resisting restraint, you'd have no problem with the officer using a taser. Because it's a UM athlete, you're claiming abuse of power.

9. If the Missoulian is looking for something to cover other than arrests and citations related to UM athlete fights, loud parties and dui's, perhaps they could look into the significant prejudice and racism that occurs in Missoula, often directed at blacks and native americans. The gang bang and sexual assault thing sure hasn't worked out for the Missoulian. Zero gang bangs. They're lucky that Donaldson bailed them out. Otherwise they would have had zero involving athletes, from what seems to be public and out there.

The Missoulian isn't the only one reporting these stories. Are you equally upset with KECI and KPAX?

 

[tnt]

Well, I think you better get used to it. It is news worthy (always has been) It will die out pretty quickly as they incidents will be handled by a very specific procedure. Something that has been lacking in the past But you gotta realize when a group of fans (and you can't deny that is exactly what happened) raise a major hullubalu over the approval of a political appointee for calling athletic recruitment at UM "thugs" that every incident will be brought out for some time. Add several national level investigations and it wiil be that way for a while.

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Good post. This type of stuff has always taken place at every college in America. Cops need to use their heads, just like a domestic disturbance, emotions are high and they need to tread lightly.

I really do miss the days when athletes got the benefit of the doubt and the "small stuff" was swept under the rug.

Your sarcasm is rather transparent. If this had not been two UM athletes, do you think this would have been front page news? Yes they should be held to a higher standard than a non-scholarship student, but even if this had been an academic scholar, should it/would it make the front page? The answer sure seems obvious to me. The Missoulian is picking an easy target to promote their prejudice. It is pretty hard to combat prejudice when even the newspaper practices it.

I was actually serious not sarcastic. Other than most horrible charges against Griz athletes(rape, stealing etc.), most of these
altercations would have never been public knowledge in the old days.

 

[GrizFBDad]

I've been following UM for a little more than a year. What a tumultuous year it has been! On one hand I sympathize with the athletes being constantly under the microscope. There is no hiding and every mistake will be exposed no matter how small. There is also a group of folks out there that seem to enjoy watching athletes fail on,as we'll as off, the field. On the other hand, that is the reality these athletes have to accept. Most of them receive a substantial amount of scholarship money to play a sport and represent UM. Thus, they must accept the fact they will be under the microscope and will be held to a higher standard. I personally think its a small price for them to pay. Tow the line, follow the UM code of conduct or be prepared to be punished and or lose your scholarship if you don't. They can party and do the bar scene when their athletic careers are over.

 

[Grizbacker1]

My take....on all the latest crap. The TE coach should have been totally dismissed from his job....and Tinkle's program sure isn't as squeaky clean as many thought...

Agreed on the TE coach, but what about a random bar altercation says anything about the state of the basketball team? If it says anything at all, its that college sports teams are populated by kids that do the same things most college kids do, for better or worse. Shocker! You're WAY off base here saying this is any sort of revelation on the state of Tinkle's program.

B I N G O !! great post

 

[Raider]

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

Out of morbid curiosity, I would love to hear your version of what is on the "tape". You talk as if you’ve seen it, or talked to those who have.

Pray tell.

 

[Grisly Fan]

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

Out of morbid curiosity, I would love to hear your version of what is on the "tape". You talk as if you’ve seen it, or talked to those who have.

Pray tell.

Group sex amongst consenting adults is not a crime but video-taping it and showing to non-participants might be a violation of the law...

 

[tnt]

The point is (for PR) the "gang Rape" has been down graded to "gang bang." That is of course unless you subscribe to the Bill Clinton definitions of what "sex is"................

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Griz athletes are under a "microscope."

Yeah, that's probably true. On the one hand, that means these athletes need to recognize that they're under public scrutiny, and they need to behave accordingly.

On the other hand, it means that people with their eyeballs trained on that eyepiece lens need to find a different hobby.

Just because something ends up in the paper doesn't mean it's a big deal. We all need to put things in some kind of perspective.

 

[Bear Axed]

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

You mean the one where the girls were willing participants. Except one of the girls fiancé' saw the video and forced her to try to press charges?

 

[tnt]

BTW PR the Gang bangs (at least one) happened, there is even video of it. Previously they were Gang rapes...... There is a difference (not much of one,) but a clear difference.

You mean the one where the girls were willing participants. Except one of the girls fiancé' saw the video and forced her to try to press charges?

Thus the difference between "gang bang" and Gang rape - willingness. Just trying to bring PR up to date on terminology. There was always a question about the gang rape, very little about the gang bang. he looks foolish when he says it never happened.

 

[BDizzle]

2. Looking at the Cherry article and affidavit, it looks like a 34 year guy (I'm just going to guess he was white, but don't know) went after Cherry as Stocks closed. "Jumped" him, according to what was said in the affidavit. When somebody goes after a college kid, especially a black UM athlete, does it surprise any of you that a black athlete and his friends don't like that, especially at the end of an evening of being in the bars? This is a far too frequent occurrence in Missoula. In my view, it reflects the considerable prejudice and racism that lies with a small minority of people in this town. If you don't believe me, ask around the athletic department. Ask Jim O'Day.

Whatever. WTF does the color of ANY of their skin matter? This wasn't a race issue, plain and simple. For you to imply as much is idiotic.

Actually race played a huge part in the altercation. A drunk and (I'm guessing) stoned white guy was making racist comments and then came up and continued to antagonize Cherry.