Are Johnson and Mcghee playing the role of game manager while Adams is allowed to make things happen more?? Is this because of the great run game at msu and the run first mentality of the griz? All three are great qb's having good years, my question is do johnson and mcghee seem to have the reins a lil tighter then Adams or is it all just offensive design?
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Adams vs johnson, mcghee?
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My understanding is that the birth of Adams will indeed get EWU into the playoffs...I read something like that on another thread 
Speedy Grizzales
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CDAGRIZ said:
Senor, and this worked how many bueno for you?
Copper Griz
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Mavman said:
I don't know the answer - all I know is shoota threw a pick against the Griz and it actually should have been two. I predict his lack of discipline is going to get EWU into trouble during the playoffs. That Tommy gun is gonna get him in trouble one day.
EWURanger29
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I think it boils down to systems. Baldwin is a QB guy and EWU's offense is entirely predicated on that position. That said, Baldwin puts a lot of trust in his QB's and gives them a lot of flexibility. See: Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, Adams, and Padron to a lesser extent.
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StumptownGriz
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I think that if we all look at this honestly, without biased, it all boils down to (taking a deep breath before I say this because I think the kid is a punk) Vernon Adams is flat out better than JJ and DMac. That's not to say I'm not a huge fan of JJ and McGhee but Adams is the best player in the best system with the best supporting cast with the most natural ability for his position. Period. End of story. Saying coaches are putting the shackles on DMac and JJ is absurd.EWURanger29 said:
Copper Griz
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StumptownGriz said:
I respectfully disagree with you STown about his being better. I think he has very good receivers and some of his passes are just terrible. He has some serious help downfield and they are covering up many mistakes. He can scramble and he extends plays big time, but I am not sure JJ and DM would not do the same in a different system. I don't think either is shackled. The offense just doesn't lend itself to throwing and scrambling as much with either program. I don't know about the cats, but I sure as hell wish the Griz would become a pass first team. Maybe then the running game would open up a little. To give the coaches credit there was progress made in the right direction at Sac State. Hopefully they keep it going.
BIGskyFan33
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All 3 qbs are beasts in their own way. If we could make a genetic hybrid of all three we could turn the economy around, end world hunger, kill all the terrorists, and cure cancer! The possibilities are endless really.
When it is all said and done Vernon Adams is going to own a ton Big Sky conference records. Baldwin coaches with a very aggressive mentality and their offense as a whole has been very explosive under his guidance.
Adams is probably the biggest playmaker of the bunch. He has shown some great touch on the deep pass plays...helps that he is throwing to probably the deepest set of talented WR in the Big Sky. The upside for the kid is unlimited but I don't know if he will ever mature enough to realize it.
On the other end of the spectrum is McGhee. There isn't another Qb in the nation that I would rather have leading our team. He has literally picked MSU up by the throat and really raised the program, school, town etc to a whole different level. You got to remember that he has operated under a different OC every single year he has been there. He went from spread offense under Coach Ash, to heavily run offense under Wright, to pass heavy offense under McGivens, to Oregon Ducks offense under Ramsey...and did what was asked of him each time. Not a lot of QB's could do that and be effective each year. I can't even begin to tell you how impactful he was when it came to recruiting... He is not fancy but simply knows how to will a team to a win..
Johnson - I think he is stuck somewhere in between McGhee and Adams in terms of performance, leadership etc. If there are any issues with Johnson, it has to do a lot with scheme and design of the offense.
Adams is probably the biggest playmaker of the bunch. He has shown some great touch on the deep pass plays...helps that he is throwing to probably the deepest set of talented WR in the Big Sky. The upside for the kid is unlimited but I don't know if he will ever mature enough to realize it.
On the other end of the spectrum is McGhee. There isn't another Qb in the nation that I would rather have leading our team. He has literally picked MSU up by the throat and really raised the program, school, town etc to a whole different level. You got to remember that he has operated under a different OC every single year he has been there. He went from spread offense under Coach Ash, to heavily run offense under Wright, to pass heavy offense under McGivens, to Oregon Ducks offense under Ramsey...and did what was asked of him each time. Not a lot of QB's could do that and be effective each year. I can't even begin to tell you how impactful he was when it came to recruiting... He is not fancy but simply knows how to will a team to a win..
Johnson - I think he is stuck somewhere in between McGhee and Adams in terms of performance, leadership etc. If there are any issues with Johnson, it has to do a lot with scheme and design of the offense.
George Ferguson
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BP, actually, and I say this with the caveat that I'm probably the single biggest Griz fan of DeNarius there is, but JJ is every bit the leader and has every bit the same intangibles that DM has. I wouldn't expect an MSU fan to know or see it because you probably aren't watching and following the Griz that closely. But to Griz fans, and anybody who watches them, it is CRYSTAL CLEAR, just how much of a leader JJS is and what kind of special intangibles the kid has. In many ways, and not just with his arms and plays on the field, JJ is carrying a Griz team right now that is otherwise wildly inconsistent.
garizzalies
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I'm a believer; I've been born again! LBJ might not be able to LITERALLY walk on water and change water to wine but for some reason it does take a miracle for him to win a playoff game.bpcats said:
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